University cancels professor over use of word

is_that_so · 11-09-2020 09:46AM

BeardySi wrote: »

Question for anyone who can be bothered to find the video - was he giving similar examples from other languages or did he just land on chinese for some reason?

It's the ignorance of the beholder problem. For example one could use the Irish word "focal" and be deemed by equally ignorant monoglots to be swearing. He offered context to it and communications is his thing.

KaneToad · 11-09-2020 09:49AM

What about a film studies professor talking about Ruth Negga. Do they have to self censor?

What about the academic study of offensive racial terms? Is the literature just a load of redacted text?

11-09-2020 09:51AM

quokula wrote: »

I agree that his life has very much been impacted by right-leaning media turning nothing into something and manufacturing a culture war around him to distract from the real issues in society. I haven't seen a single example of any actual real person who is a supposed "SJW" and actually supports him being suspended (which he wasn't, despite large swathes of the media pretending he was) - the only criticism of him came in the form of an anonymous letter which probably came from people trying to create the misguided outrage that this thread is full of (or at most it might be a prank gone wrong) - it doesn't surprise me that he stopped teaching this class since he doesn't know which student in it is the one that filmed him and wrote the anonymous letter.

You're missing the influence that student groups have in Universities in the US. No university wants to get a bad reputation, since that would affect signing up to courses... and they're already suffering in terms of revenue. Complaints by students about lecturers tend to be taken quite seriously, with this topic of racism being something rather strong considering the current atmosphere with BLM.

You can't really separate things here. There have been so many past "incidents" of student groups marching, boycotting, causing trouble in the name of perceived racism or equality, combined with the present state of the US... any university is going to be very uncomfortable with generating student anger.. and from what I've seen, it doesn't take much to get them all whipped up.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 11-09-2020 09:57AM

BeardySi wrote: »

Question for anyone who can be bothered to find the video - was he giving similar examples from other languages or did he just land on chinese for some reason?

If you can’t be bothered to find the video yourself I can’t be bothered answering you.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 11-09-2020 09:59AM

What's the N word?

11-09-2020 10:12AM

quokula wrote: »

So he hasn't been suspended or reprimanded in any way, and the only complaint about him was made anonymously. Sounds very much like some people were trying to manufacture a culture war so the usual perpetually outraged people have more "cancel culture" to get outraged about.

He has needlessly stepped away from the course in question. His name is being needlessly besmirched. He did absolutely zero wrong.

Total nonsense.

11-09-2020 10:14AM

BeardySi wrote: »

Question for anyone who can be bothered to find the video - was he giving similar examples from other languages or did he just land on chinese for some reason?

He chose an example from the most widely spoken language in the world.

kenmm · 11-09-2020 10:20AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

...that sounded like the N-word...in Chinese...because...?

Full article from the BBC linked.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329

Start of article.

“Has ignited a debate”... what sort of absolute gobshyte thinks there’s a debate to be had around this?

But you love it tho, don't you?

Yellow_Fern · 11-09-2020 10:30AM

BeardySi wrote: »

Question for anyone who can be bothered to find the video - was he giving similar examples from other languages or did he just land on chinese for some reason?

I think because he was drawing on his experience of teaching in two different Chinese universities.

Danzy · 11-09-2020 10:30AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

...that sounded like the N-wytun Mord...in Chinese...because...?

Full article from the BBC linked.
5 hip ji
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329

Start of article.

“Has ignited a debate”... what sort of absolute gobshyte thinks there’s a debate to be had around this?

We live in an increasingly conformist society.

Due to a lack of genuine transgressions, the righteous have to go for stupid things like this.

It is not just that they enjoy jumping on someone but the randomness of it, the innocuous reason to destroy a person. It beats others in to silence.

The modern left have become the Jesuits.

That's not a coincidence, it's the same middle class holies.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 11-09-2020 10:34AM

kenmm wrote: »

But you love it tho, don't you?

Have you a point or just wanna go with personal jibes?

kenmm · 11-09-2020 10:35AM

Danzy wrote: »

The modern left have become the Jesuits.

Here we go :pac:

893bet · 11-09-2020 10:44AM

https://youtu.be/24JhHLpgjXI

This is the offending video.

The only person who isn’t wrong in this is the professor. The Dean should be shot with his own ****.

Errashareesh · 11-09-2020 10:52AM

kenmm wrote: »

Here we go :pac:

Someone I went to college with - staunchly socialist and feminist - is even saying it (particularly in relation to how today's feminists are actually anything but) so maybe there's something in it.

11-09-2020 10:57AM

Are the students who complained really dense or what? Did they not know the course they had signed up to and were they not listening to the lecture he was giving? If they were following along then they would have understood what he had just said.

There must be some seriously stupid people getting into courses in USC.

TomTomTim · 11-09-2020 10:57AM

KaneToad wrote: »

What about a film studies professor talking about Ruth Negga. Do they have to self censor?

What about the academic study of offensive racial terms? Is the literature just a load of redacted text?

They'll have to stop teaching about Niger in geography classes too haha

kenmm · 11-09-2020 10:57AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Have you a point or just wanna go with personal jibes?

Not really a personal jibe. The story is obviously a load of **** - what more do you want from it?

Some other crappy argument on the internet?

TomTomTim · 11-09-2020 10:58AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Are the students who complained really dense or what? Did they not know the course they had signed up to and were they not listening to the lecture he was giving? If they were following along then they would have understood what he had just said.

There must be some seriously stupid people getting into courses in USC.

If you haven't noticed by now, these people don't give a damn about context or intent.

jmayo · 11-09-2020 11:02AM

quokula wrote: »

I agree that his life has very much been impacted by right-leaning media turning nothing into something and manufacturing a culture war around him to distract from the real issues in society. I haven't seen a single example of any actual real person who is a supposed "SJW" and actually supports him being suspended (which he wasn't, despite large swathes of the media pretending he was) - the only criticism of him came in the form of an anonymous letter which probably came from people trying to create the misguided outrage that this thread is full of (or at most it might be a prank gone wrong) - it doesn't surprise me that he chose to stop teaching this class since he doesn't know which student in it is the one that filmed him and wrote the anonymous letter.

Ahh yes it is all the fault of the right wing. :rolleyes:

Was the professor removed from the course before the story broke on any right wing media like the National Review and subsequently became Nationwide and now worldwide ?

Had there been complaints about him before they broke the story ?

Did the National Review not break the story that he had been "paused" from the course ?

Did the National Review not do the story on Sep 3rd about the incident happening on virtual lecture on Aug 20th ?

Was the letter of complaint not sent on Aug 21st ?

Did Greg Patton not apologise on Aug 26th ?

Patton denied intentionally mispronouncing the Chinese word and offered “another deep apology for the discomfort and pain that I have caused members of our Community.” He added that “While no derogatory or racial slur was or has even been used, and the example was framed as from China and in Chinese, and although my intent has been and always will be 100 positive towards every student, I recognize that I need to get better. And I will continue to learn from, partner with and grow together with my students in continually working to create a more perfect learning environment.”

Was it not on August 24th that the Dean Geoff Garrett sent a letter to the school community about the incident and saying Patton had been removed from teaching the class?

Dear Full-Time MBA Class of 2022,

Last Thursday in your GSBA-542 classes, Professor Greg Patton repeated several times a Chinese word that sounds very similar to a vile racial slur in English. Understandably, this caused great pain and upset among students, and for that I am deeply sorry. It is simply unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that can marginalize, hurt and harm the psychological safety of our students. We must and we will do better.

Professor Marion Philadelphia, Chair of the Department of Business Communications, will take over teaching the remainder of GSBA-542, beginning tomorrow, Tuesday August 25.

Over the coming weeks and months, I have no higher priority than to work with Vice Dean Sharoni Little, Vice Dean Suh-Pyng Ku and the other members of the Marshall leadership team to identify and redress bias, microaggressions, inequities and all forms of systemic racism associated with anyone’s identity throughout our school. We each must grow and learn always to engage respectfully with one another while fostering and exemplifying the knowledge and skills needed to lead and shape our diverse and global world—such as courage, empathy, compassion, advocacy, collaboration, and integrity.

I am deeply saddened by this disturbing episode that has caused such anguish and trauma. What happened cannot be undone. But please know that Sharoni, Suh-Pyng and I along with the entire Full-Time MBA Program team are here to support each of you. We welcome the opportunity to have conversations with any of you individually.

Sincerely,

Geoff Garrett

So was Greg Patton not publicly reprimanded by the Deans letter to the school and also by being replaced as the lecturer on the course.

Oh and all long before you claim this was all caused by right wing media getting involved ?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 11-09-2020 11:06AM

Those bloody right wing SJW’s up to no good as usual..:

kenmm · 11-09-2020 11:32AM

Errashareesh wrote: »

Someone I went to college with - staunchly socialist and feminist - is even saying it (particularly in relation to how today's feminists are actually anything but) so maybe there's something in it.

Absolutely no doubt about it, there is a problem with this extreme outrage behaviour. I wouldn't call it 'the modern left' tho and I also think these threads are almost just as bad. All the outrage in reverse.

Ignoring this bs instead of adding to it might be better (and yes, I am violation my own advice here because I too am joining in).

suicide_circus · 11-09-2020 11:36AM

I dont think anyone who is not a parody account would defend this

jammiedodgers · 11-09-2020 11:51AM

What a bunch of naggers

TomTomTim · 11-09-2020 11:55AM

kenmm wrote: »

Absolutely no doubt about it, there is a problem with this extreme outrage behaviour. I wouldn't call it 'the modern left' tho and I also think these threads are almost just as bad. All the outrage in reverse.

Ignoring this bs instead of adding to it might be better (and yes, I am violation my own advice here because I too am joining in).

Go on, tell us what group are the guilty then. You're using all the cheap tactics in the book so far. Reacting to nonsense is not equivalent to the initial nonsense. It's also been shown time and time again that ignoring these types does nothing to temper their behavior.

11-09-2020 11:55AM

kenmm wrote: »

Absolutely no doubt about it, there is a problem with this extreme outrage behaviour. I wouldn't call it 'the modern left' tho and I also think these threads are almost just as bad. All the outrage in reverse.

Ignoring this bs instead of adding to it might be better (and yes, I am violation my own advice here because I too am joining in).

Except, ignoring it, doesn't work. That's been shown the case, with the spread of Feminist/SJW/PC culture throughout American academia, and into student bodies over the course of 40 years. People dismissed this crap as the ideas of extremists, and it's managed to work it's way into many levels of society, and spread beyond America's borders.

It's like all the articles that are around which claim that women have been disproportionately affected by covid, and that's a sign that feminists need more support to change society to favor women more... it's utterly ridiculous, and has been ignored by most, but that just gives the impression that it's an acceptable claim to make, and therefore it spreads/is reprinted.

Ignoring behavior such as this, gives permission for it to continue, because it removes support for those who need to defend against it..

Although, I agree. I wouldn't consider it to be "the left" in a political sense, but it is the modern left from a social change sense.

conorhal · 11-09-2020 12:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Except, ignoring it, doesn't work. That's been shown the case, with the spread of Feminist/SJW/PC culture throughout American academia, and into student bodies over the course of 40 years. People dismissed this crap as the ideas of extremists, and it's managed to work it's way into many levels of society, and spread beyond America's borders.

It's like all the articles that are around which claim that women have been disproportionately affected by covid, and that's a sign that feminists need more support to change society to favor women more... it's utterly ridiculous, and has been ignored by most, but that just gives the impression that it's an acceptable claim to make, and therefore it spreads/is reprinted.

Ignoring behavior such as this, gives permission for it to continue, because it removes support for those who need to defend against it..

Although, I agree. I wouldn't consider it to be "the left" in a political sense, but it is the modern left from a social change sense.

Exactly, you're just being told by the 'cancel culture doesn't exist!' crowd to 'lie down croppy, lie down' and quietly accept the purge that's coming for you. Certiantly don't draw any attention to the bad actors behind the curtian and the fact that malicious ideologues are quietly strangling all opposition to their ideological takeover of society.

This stuff needs to be called out, loudly, to ensure that all the normies are aware of just how Orwellian society has become before it's too late.

kenmm · 11-09-2020 12:22PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

Go on, tell us what group are the guilty then. You're using all the cheap tactics in the book so far. Reacting to nonsense is not equivalent to the initial nonsense. It's also been shown time and time again that ignoring these types does nothing to temper their behavior.

Cheap tactics? Its a lot of silliness ultimately.

RE what group are guilty - fu(k knows - bunch of morons if you ask me - they may even identify as the left, but that doesn't mean to say the left are responsible.

whisky_galore · 11-09-2020 12:25PM

Let me guess, did it happen in Merica?

Yes it did...nothing in that continent sized lunatic asylum surprises me anymore.

kenmm · 11-09-2020 12:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Except, ignoring it, doesn't work.

...

Ignoring behavior such as this, gives permission for it to continue, because it removes support for those who need to defend against it..

Although, I agree. I wouldn't consider it to be "the left" in a political sense, but it is the modern left from a social change sense.

All right - fair enough about not ignoring it - call the bull**** for what it is - some people tho seem to enjoy it tho.

However, I would prefer that we try not to further define the divide in terms of polarised left vs right - it appears everywhere and it just contributes to the madness.

kenmm · 11-09-2020 12:28PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Let me guess, did it happen in Merica?

Yes it did...nothing in that continent sized lunatic asylum surprises me anymore.

But its being imported here - slowly but surely... and arguments amongst ourselves over how we label this crap is only more fuel to it.

University cancels professor over use of word

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