Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 10-09-2020 11:22AM

Governments advertising campaign kicked in today. This is in today's newspapers. As Glynn mentioned last night focus is on the message of reducing contacts
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1303962435871805442?s=19

What Username Guidelines · 10-09-2020 11:24AM

Yah yah, rumour mill, but from my Sister who is a local. Oranmore in Galway appears to have quite a few cases this week.

Not the cause, but a family went around France/Italy/Spain/Germany in a camper for the whole month of August, got back and straight back to work/school the following day, no isolation at all, and the locals are all going crazy about it and are angry-mob-style linking the two together.

Hector Savage · 10-09-2020 11:39AM

DebDynamite wrote: »

One poster anyway on the “will you travel” thread said they were just back from Barcelona and any bar or restaurant they went into had zero social distancing but it didn’t bother them. Didn’t confirm if they self isolated either upon return either, so that’s what you’re dealing with.

That might explain why Spain is blowing up again like it is. For all the optics of them making people wear masks outdoors and on the beach, seems bars and restaurants are back to pre-Covid times. At least here we seem have things the right way around.

Exactly, it's a joke here, wearing full masks outdoors with no one near, go to a beer garden and rip off the mask and lash into the pints !!!!

PERO BUENO !!!

But the situation in barcelona seems to be imoproving, Madrid is worrying at the moment ...

School starts on Monday 14th here, so lets see!!!

Of course the independista loons will be marching tomorrow too!!!

Renjit · 10-09-2020 11:43AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Governments advertising campaign kicked in today. This is in today's newspapers. As Glynn mentioned last night focus is on the message of reducing contacts
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1303962435871805442?s=19

Calm down Dublin :pac:

JDD · 10-09-2020 11:49AM

How many of the "clusters from private homes" are proper clusters - i.e. one household has infected another through a gathering at their house?

I would presume that the vast majority of private home clusters are family members who live in the same house infecting each other. Unavoidable really.

You could bring in a restriction saying nobody is allowed to visit anyone else's house, and that still won't vastly reduce private home clusters if the majority of them are "internal" infections.

ACitizenErased · 10-09-2020 11:52AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Governments advertising campaign kicked in today. This is in today's newspapers. As Glynn mentioned last night focus is on the message of reducing contacts
https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1303962435871805442?s=19

Dare I say... Cork is doing... good?

I shall take cover now

TonyMaloney · 10-09-2020 11:54AM

An informative but gloomy thread on the situation developing in France

https://twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1303988457241542656?s=20

Wolf359f · 10-09-2020 11:58AM

JDD wrote: »

How many of the "clusters from private homes" are proper clusters - i.e. one household has infected another through a gathering at their house?

I would presume that the vast majority of private home clusters are family members who live in the same house infecting each other. Unavoidable really.

You could bring in a restriction saying nobody is allowed to visit anyone else's house, and that still won't vastly reduce private home clusters if the majority of them are "internal" infections.

It's almost impossible to avoid isolated household clusters whose source was the community. However they did specifically call out the household to household clusters, so I'd assume it's a high enough number to warrant the mention.

As a poster said earlier, there's quite a few confirmations and communions going on. Even the rumblings from the government about any possible restrictions would be avoiding households like Glasgow. Apart from Donnelly, I'd say he's still banging the lockdown drum!

Wolf359f · 10-09-2020 12:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dare I say... Cork is doing... good?

I shall take cover now

Careful now, you'll have dubs driving down to cork for a test to inflate the numbers!
#makecorkred

mandrake04 · 10-09-2020 12:05PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

That might explain why Spain is blowing up again like it is. For all the optics of them making people wear masks outdoors and on the beach, seems bars and restaurants are back to pre-Covid times. At least here we seem have things the right way around.

Well it kinda looks silly from the outside and we can laugh, but yet again Ireland has kept schools and non-pubs closed when cases were low but choose to open them when cases go up. Not to mention the magical anti-covid Pizza and chicken wings which is equally bizarre.

US2 · 10-09-2020 12:06PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Exactly, it's a joke here, wearing full masks outdoors with no one near, go to a beer garden and rip off the mask and lash into the pints !!!!

PERO BUENO !!!

But the situation in barcelona seems to be imoproving, Madrid is worrying at the moment ...

School starts on Monday 14th here, so lets see!!!

Of course the independista loons will be marching tomorrow too!!!

Definitely need to refresh my Spanish. I thought at first glance Pero Bueno meant Good Dog haha

What Username Guidelines · 10-09-2020 12:19PM

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

My office has a load of analysts who are all tracking this stuff themselves, purely out of interest and a passion for data, using fractured data from HSE/HSPC/etc and have some pretty impressive tracking going on with google sheets, charting all the data and linking it together. We've got people like David Higgins on twitter, etc. It's unbelievable and quite frankly negligent that the government can't assign a few people to chart and graph this stuff into something not only useful, but absolutely vital.

What Username Guidelines · 10-09-2020 12:22PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

An informative but gloomy thread on the situation developing in France

https://twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1303988457241542656?s=20

I'm by no means downplaying this, but from this tweet regarding Marseilles being once "remarkably covid free"

https://twitter.com/john_lichfield/status/1303989600705220609?s=20

Does anyone known if this is largely been driven by lesser-hit areas now seeing a surge, or are the previously-harder-hit areas seeing a resurgence as well?

10-09-2020 12:28PM

silly question maybe but they they give the mean/median age for the 4 deceased this week? I know they always did along with any indication of underlying health conditions, anyone know?

Non solum non ambulabit · 10-09-2020 12:32PM

Longing wrote: »

Not really. People who suffer from Hypothyroidism will gain weight no matter if they take 100 calories a day and if you suffer from hyperthyroidism you can eat all the chocolate and McDonalds you like and still be a bag of bones.

What percentage of obsese people does this affect? Around 25% of Irish are obsese and 40% overweight. Personal responsibility must come to play for a huge majority of these people.

DangerScouse · 10-09-2020 12:36PM

Really feeling very positive about this virus losing it's potency now tbh. All the signs are pointing towards increasing cases and very few people losing their lives and being admitted to hospitals.

10-09-2020 12:37PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

My office has a load of analysts who are all tracking this stuff themselves, purely out of interest and a passion for data, using fractured data from HSE/HSPC/etc and have some pretty impressive tracking going on with google sheets, charting all the data and linking it together. We've got people like David Higgins on twitter, etc. It's unbelievable and quite frankly negligent that the government can't assign a few people to chart and graph this stuff into something not only useful, but absolutely vital.

I am sure you could get a data specialist to do enough on a 20 hour a week contract. Standardise the data input, and automate

Funsterdelux · 10-09-2020 12:39PM

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

Jeez, can they not do a bit of conditional formatting in excel

Wolf359f · 10-09-2020 12:43PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Well it kinda looks silly from the outside and we can laugh, but yet again Ireland has kept schools and non-pubs closed when cases were low but choose to open them when cases go up. Not to mention the magical anti-covid Pizza and chicken wings which is equally bizarre.

Just curious, how would you define a restaurant and a pub? Some states in America, if 51% or more of sales is food, it's classed as a restaurant, if 51% of sales is alcohol, it's a pub. So under current laws/licencing how would you define a pub and a restaurant?

joeguevara · 10-09-2020 12:48PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just curious, how would you define a restaurant and a pub? Some states in America, if 51% or more of sales is food, it's classed as a restaurant, if 51% of sales is alcohol, it's a pub. So under current laws/licencing how would you define a pub and a restaurant?

Nothing to do with mix. Its the licence.

Hurrache · 10-09-2020 12:48PM

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

It's a waste of resources at the moment, there's plenty of other things for them to be directed at. Why bother breaking things down into electoral areas, basically meaningless arbitrary boundaries that serve no purpose other than to distribute political representation, in a medical environment?

10-09-2020 12:49PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just curious, how would you define a restaurant and a pub? Some states in America, if 51% or more of sales is food, it's classed as a restaurant, if 51% of sales is alcohol, it's a pub. So under current laws/licencing how would you define a pub and a restaurant?

A restaurant has a restaurant licence and a pub has a pub licence?

joeguevara · 10-09-2020 12:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A restaurant has a restaurant licence and a pub has a pub licence?

And a pub licence requires a restaurant certificate if it wishes to serve food.

A restaurant also has restrictions on the alocohol it can serve. Also the restaurant must serve (as part of its licence) a substantial meal in order to serve alcohol.

nannerbenahs · 10-09-2020 12:52PM

Here is a really good statistical analysis of the current situation by Ivor Cummins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac&feature=emb_logo

sideswipe · 10-09-2020 12:53PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

What percentage of obsese people does this affect? Around 25% of Irish are obsese and 40% overweight. Personal responsibility must come to play for a huge majority of these people.

Personal responsibility is of course part of it. There will always be people that are health aware but there will also be a lot of people that are not well educated in basic nutrition and multi billion euro industries that know how to sell to them and manipulate their choices.
From the time they can walk kids are going into shops and being marketed to for the future custom with regards food choices, breakfast cereal that belong in the sweets and biscuit isle etc. You need to have very strong will to see through the multi billion marketing bluster these days. I've spoken to people with persistent weight struggles who think they eat healthy because they go for the 'Diet" option when shopping not realising that 'Diet' means high sugar when it comes to many products.
The old adage of eat less exercise more isn't really fit for purpose any more obesity is a far more complicated matter.

Wolf359f · 10-09-2020 12:57PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Nothing to do with mix. Its the licence.

I know that. And that's why under licencing laws a restaurant has to serve a substantial meal with the drink.
Otherwise every pub could open with a restaurant licence and not serve food. If we didn't have the current licencing laws, the government wouldn't be able to separate a pub from a restaurant.
This pizza prevents covid crap has to stop. These people probably believe 2m distance makes it dangerous, add a cm and it's all safe, same for 14mins is safe and 15 isn't.

Non solum non ambulabit · 10-09-2020 01:00PM

sideswipe wrote: »

Personal responsibility is of course part of it.

Correct. Don't disagree with the rest. We need better education and direction from Govt. The industrial food industry is a cancer on society.

JDD · 10-09-2020 01:15PM

I don't understand this whole "how does a substantial meal prevent you from getting covid?" nonsense.

The goverment weren't actually going to open any pubs at all in Phase 3, the thinking being that a restaurant is generally set up for social distancing, and people don't generally get bladdered in a restaurant (though it happens of course). The Vinters association totally accepted this reasoning, but lobbied heavily for pubs that sold food, arguing that these venues mainly made their profits from food, were essentially gastropubs and should be included with restaurants.

The government found this argument convincing, and allowed these "gastropubs" to open. It was the regulations that completely undermined the definition of a "gastropub" allowing a normal pub order burgers and chips from the chipper next door. Then the Vintners association turned around and said it was nonsensical to open a pub that served food next door to one that didn't - completely undermining their whole previous argument that gastropubs were different to normal pubs. The question then should have been "well are you saying that there is an equal chance of someone not socially distancing in a gastropub is there is in a normal pub? Because we can narrow the definition of what is a gastropub if you like?". That would have shut them up sharpish.

And I'm not saying that pubs should stay closed or that they shouldn't have been included in the Phase 3 openings. Just that I do think there is a difference between the chances of catching covid in a full restaurant to that of a full pub. And if the definition of gastropub wasn't so bloody wide then we'd never have these ridiculous arguments about the "magic pizza" that prevents infection.

bb1234567 · 10-09-2020 01:15PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Really feeling very positive about this virus losing it's potency now tbh. All the signs are pointing towards increasing cases and very few people losing their lives and being admitted to hospitals.

It really does seem like it, tens of thousands of cases in Europe daily now and only a few hundred deaths. Would be hard to find any other reasons that could contribute towards such a low death rate

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 01:16PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Really feeling very positive about this virus losing it's potency now tbh. All the signs are pointing towards increasing cases and very few people losing their lives and being admitted to hospitals.

It's nothing to do with being less potent, it's still as deadly but has taken out the low hanging fruit.
Posted it earlier but we'll worth a watch to hear what's happening now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WdzMVekUBU

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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