Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 10-09-2020 10:00AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I bet their share price went up when they were positive about it too

All you have to take a look at is the vaccine thread, the announcements and papers have been linked there by some very well informed posters.

If a companies vaccine is showing good promise then its affects share price. Likewise if negative.

So far there will be little if any profit made from vaccines. Most appear to be being made to cost

NegativeCreep · 10-09-2020 10:00AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Someone calling out the tests vs cases announced

https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1303978909856337920?s=20

Who is he though?

10-09-2020 10:04AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I’ll eat my hat if it happens but I can’t see it

With or without Ketchup?

eigrod · 10-09-2020 10:10AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Someone calling out the tests vs cases announced

https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1303978909856337920?s=20

Based on that chart, there was 140 more cases reported than positive tests in the 7 days from Weds 2nd to Tues 8th. This has become a real chicken v egg situation.

10-09-2020 10:11AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I bet their share price went up when they were positive about it too

Share price down 2 dollars in the past month, 80cents in the past 5 days. Any vaccine will represent a small fraction of the revenue of a company as large as Pfizer

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 10:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Share price down 2 dollars in the past month, 80cents in the past 5 days. Any vaccine will represent a small fraction of the revenue of a company as large as Pfizer

I've bought and sold Abbot already when I first heard of the rapid testing probably should have held out for more profit as it's been ticking along nicely.
Took an age to get out of Pfizer wouldn't be in a rush to buy that again.

mandrake04 · 10-09-2020 10:18AM

alentejo wrote: »

I suspect this Irish wave will start to subside in October and continue to mid December.

It will then re-emerge in January & Feb which could be quite bad and tapper off as we get to Spring.

I agree

Once you get it in...it’s an absolute bastard to get rid off.

Increase travel and social gatherings due to Xmas and the cold damp weather is going have potential for a fairly grim Christmas. Factor in the usual BS of people sick, having accidents, drinking too much and trying neck themselves...all the stuff of the silly season and the hospitals on a normal year are extremely busy.

I think the government will be reluctant to have any sort of lockdown at the moment maybe rolling back some restrictions....they be saving the break glass emergency lockdown until it’s really needed although I hope it won’t come to that.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:20AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've bought and sold Abbot already when I first heard of the rapid testing probably should have held out for more profit as it's been ticking along nicely.
Took an age to get out of Pfizer wouldn't be in a rush to buy that again.

i think dan ariely is spot on about shares, try not sell when markets are highly volatile

What Username Guidelines · 10-09-2020 10:26AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Who is he though?

Like many engineers and supply chain managers, he's on twitter and has been commentating a lot on the pandemic, with decent charts/analysis. But that aside, he's followed by a few journalists too.

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 10:29AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i think dan ariely is spot on about shares, try not sell when markets are highly volatile

Abbott is the only thing I bought and sold throughout this, was going to put the house into disney when it dipped below $90 it was a steal. Happy enough with how the market bounced back though not any worse off at this point.

Pitch n Putt · 10-09-2020 10:30AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Surely the meat factories have a higher level of immunity now that will limit any spread from them. Need to be thinking where the virus is going, not where it has been, schools are where any excess capacity should be used, starting with the teachers.

Even when these fools were told where the virus was going eg nursing homes meat factories and direct provision centres they did nothing only sat on their hands and hoped it mightn’t happen.

That worked out well in the end didn’t it.....

All reactivate in this country with regards the virus. Learned nothing from others failures.

You can never get ahead if you’re always behind.

But..... They’re doing a fantastic job as many many people seem to think ðŸ€”

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:31AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Even when these fools were told where the virus was going eg nursing homes meat factories and direct provision centres they did nothing only sat on their hands and hoped it mightn’t happen.

That worked out well in the end didn’t it.....

All reactivate in this country with regards the virus. Learned nothing from others failures.

You can never get ahead if you’re always behind.

But..... They’re doing a fantastic job as many many people seem to think &#55356;&#56340;

theyre doing a reasonable job, but fcuk ups will occur, probably similar in other countries

yourdeadwright · 10-09-2020 10:33AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Even when these fools were told where the virus was going eg nursing homes meat factories and direct provision centres they did nothing only sat on their hands and hoped it mightn’t happen.

That worked out well in the end didn’t it.....

All reactivate in this country with regards the virus. Learned nothing from others failures.

You can never get ahead if you’re always behind.

But..... They’re doing a fantastic job as many many people seem to think &#55356;&#56340;

Aren't you Anti -mask ?

So your giving out they have done nothing but when they ask you to do something your against it :rolleyes:

Pitch n Putt · 10-09-2020 10:36AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Aren't you Anti -mask ?

So your giving out they have done nothing but when they ask you to do something your against it :rolleyes:

I’m anti bullsh1t and they way this is been handled since change of government and cmo is grade A bullsh1t

DangerScouse · 10-09-2020 10:37AM

JDD wrote: »

That's interesting. Who was the first with symptoms i.e. do you think you passed it on to your eldest and MIL or did it come from them?

We think i had it first as was abroad with work week previous to first symptoms appearing. Worth noting mother in law who is in her 70's tested positive but had no symptoms to speak of besides runny nose.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:37AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

I’m anti bullsh1t and they way this is been handled since change of government and cmo is grade A bullsh1t

all governments bullsh1t, all goverments fcuk up in many ways

TonyMaloney · 10-09-2020 10:39AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Like many engineers and supply chain managers, he's on twitter and has been commentating a lot on the pandemic, with decent charts/analysis. But that aside, he's followed by a few journalists too.

Here's Paul Cullen from the Irish Times today calling for better data

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/public-covid-19-data-not-giving-clear-picture-of-current-trends-1.4350798

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 10:43AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

I’m anti bullsh1t and they way this is been handled since change of government and cmo is grade A bullsh1t

Abuse of power it was called yesterday, media doing a blinder on not reporting the real news, the Government took the absolute preverbial with us.
Micheal McNamara is about to blow it soon if this continues.

Gael23 · 10-09-2020 10:44AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Pat Kenny and Luke O'Neill talking about BCG again, plenty of trials going on, can you request it from your doctor, we've 2 in the house haven't had it as it was scrapped.

BCG is no longer available in Ireland as far as I’m aware

US2 · 10-09-2020 10:49AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

That’s a very blinkered view of obesity, it’s not that simple.

Eat more calories than you burn and you gain weight , it is that simple.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:53AM

US2 wrote: »

Eat more calories than you burn and you gain weight , it is that simple.

physically, yes, psychologically, no

drunkmonkey · 10-09-2020 10:59AM

Interesting analysis of what's happening if you've the time...first 15minutes will tell you a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WdzMVekUBU

Tij da feen · 10-09-2020 11:00AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Here's Paul Cullen from the Irish Times today calling for better data

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/public-covid-19-data-not-giving-clear-picture-of-current-trends-1.4350798

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

Longing · 10-09-2020 11:03AM

US2 wrote: »

Eat more calories than you burn and you gain weight , it is that simple.

Not really. People who suffer from Hypothyroidism will gain weight no matter if they take 100 calories a day and if you suffer from hyperthyroidism you can eat all the chocolate and McDonalds you like and still be a bag of bones.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 11:04AM

Longing wrote: »

Not really. People who suffer from Hypothyroidism will gain weight no matter if they take 100 calories a day and if you suffer from hyperthyroidism you can eat all the chocolate and McDonalds you like and still be a bag of bones.

some anti-depressants can cause weight gain as well, probably loads of meds out there that do

TonyMaloney · 10-09-2020 11:04AM

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

Yeah, they have something called CIDR in place for just this kind of thing.
Clearly they don't have the expertise to get the most from it.

And if they can't operate their own systems well enough, they should release the raw data (anonymised) so that we can do it for them.

yourdeadwright · 10-09-2020 11:11AM

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

Wasn't that the reason for the original lockdown so the Government could get all these system in place ? to make reopening the country safe and the information reliable

Tij da feen · 10-09-2020 11:14AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Yeah, they have something called CIDR in place for just this kind of thing.
Clearly they don't have the expertise to get the most from it.

And if they can't operate their own systems well enough, they should release the raw data (anonymised) so that we can do it for them.

Yup. Super frustrating as someone who does this for a living (ETL and Analysis). Knowing the state of IT in our public services though this does not surprise me.

Wolf359f · 10-09-2020 11:14AM

Tij da feen wrote: »

From the article:
"The department said yesterday it was “not feasible” for the HPSC to provide 14-day incidence rate breakdowns by electoral area, given its heavy workload. Even a request from The Irish Times for separate figures for Limerick city and county could not be met."

There's something wrong with the way they're operating if they can't provide this information on an up-to-date basis. By now they should easily have automation in place to handle this data. Should be a click of a button to provide this information.

I'd guess they would have the swab location of all positive tests to hand easily. But working out where the infection occured could be the time consuming part.
But we're at a stage were public buy in is needed, so they should be giving us all the information needed.
It's one thing being told there's household to household clusters in Dublin, but unless people hear/see the data, they are not likely to take it too seriously.

It would be nice to see a map of Ireland, colour coded with incidence rate broken up in areas and not just county. Something you see during election time. Lots and lots of detail presented in a very easy way to see.
Would be nice to see clusters by their type, see where areas are trending and what kind of clusters are causing the spread. It's information like that, easily presented that the media would lap up. They wouldn't have to worry about collecting the data or drawing up a colour coded map, it would all be there for them.

I think Gavin Reilly has a nice colour coded spread sheet with the 14 day incidence rate, at a first glance you can see what counties are doing good and bad. Should really be the government providing the easy to read charts and not down to journalists.

DebDynamite · 10-09-2020 11:16AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Anyone got any passenger statistics of flights from Spain to Ireland in the last 3 weeks?

One poster anyway on the “will you travel” thread said they were just back from Barcelona and any bar or restaurant they went into had zero social distancing but it didn’t bother them. Didn’t confirm if they self isolated either upon return either, so that’s what you’re dealing with.

That might explain why Spain is blowing up again like it is. For all the optics of them making people wear masks outdoors and on the beach, seems bars and restaurants are back to pre-Covid times. At least here we seem have things the right way around.

Edit: he later confirmed he did self isolate upon return as he’s lucky enough to work from home. How many don’t have that luxury and are going straight back into work/school? Poster also said in general, social distancing seems to be out the window over there.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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