Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 11:37PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

There are far less staff on weekends. The number of positive swabs people report here each day doesn't fluctuate erratically like the number of cases reported.

Its the method of reporting thats inconsistant. I dont know why they do that.

Yes don't understand it ..its appears a bit like , "we have too may today let's add them tomorrow," or the opposite .

US2 · 09-09-2020 11:38PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

There are far less staff on weekends. The number of positive swabs people report here each day doesn't fluctuate erratically like the number of cases reported.

Its the method of reporting thats inconsistant. I dont know why they do that.

Seems to have changed right around the time Dr. Tony Holohan stood down?

khalessi · 09-09-2020 11:39PM

normanoffside wrote: »

They might have virus in their nose but they are less likely to have symptoms and very unlikely to have adverse effects. Adults in their company should be showing symptoms at a higher rate than they are.

Patients in nursing homes are 100s of times more vulnerable, our death figures already show this. They should be given more priority if there are capacity issues.

Never assume the HSE have good reason for anything. The last 20 years of the HSE shows we should always be questioning them.

Still it is their job to cover all angles.
We could just say stop people viiting nursing homes but that wasnt the main problem. The issues with nursing homes had primarily to do with staff working shifts in different homes and not having proper ppe, and not being aware they were transmitting covid. The HSE took their eye off the ball but it is on now and will be easily spotted if they mess up again. and they should continue to tes kids.

Martina1991 · 09-09-2020 11:42PM

mandrake04 wrote:

I would say they are still using Germans anyway, this might explain why you get a larger tally on Saturdays and Tuesdays and the reports that some results takes 72 hours.

According to the HSE, the mean turnaround time from swab to result for community samples is 33.5 hours.

Surely that'd be longer if swabs were being sent to Germany.

Goldengirl · 09-09-2020 11:53PM

khalessi wrote: »

Still it is their job to cover all angles.
We could just say stop people viiting nursing homes but that wasnt the main problem. The issues with nursing homes had primarily to do with staff working shifts in different homes and not having proper ppe, and not being aware they were transmitting covid. The HSE took their eye off the ball but it is on now and will be easily spotted if they mess up again. and they should continue to tes kids.

+ 1.
You are a very patient person

DevilsHaircut · 10-09-2020 12:09AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Probably the world is in for a bumper flu season too with way more people being tested than usual and therefore more detected cases...

Unlikely

https://twitter.com/InfectiousDz/status/1303685670448377857

DevilsHaircut · 10-09-2020 12:16AM

normanoffside wrote: »

All staff are Supposed to be tested every two weeks, was scheduled for this week but cancelled due to capacity issues.

Even testing every two weeks will not catch all cases.

If cases/community transmission is high, it will get into nursing homes.

It got into two in the week to 5 September.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Highlights_Week362020_web%20version_v2.0_07092020.pdf

Scoondal · 10-09-2020 12:18AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

We need to get the testing under control, more centres even pop up ones and less waiting for tests and results, stopping in highly contagious vulnerable places is a big no no

Do we still have to be "referred" by a GP to get a test ?
I contacted our GP on Monday because my son was coughing with a 38 degree temperature. Since then, nothing. Can I bring him to get a test without a GP "referral" ?

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 12:19AM

Why are practices like opening all the windows in school classrooms within built up areas accepted as solutions to preserve health? These schools will be overcome with diesel and wood burning stove emissions that will cause much more health damage to children than Covid ever would.

khalessi · 10-09-2020 12:21AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why are practices like opening all the windows in school classrooms within built up areas accepted as solutions to preserve health? These schools will be overcome with diesel and wood burning stove emissions that will cause much more health damage to children than Covid ever would.

What would you suggest as an alternative?

Antares35 · 10-09-2020 12:21AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why are practices like opening all the windows in school classrooms within built up areas accepted as solutions to preserve health? These schools will be overcome with diesel and wood burning stove emissions that will cause much more health damage to children than Covid ever would.

I can't figure out if this post is in jest or not.

Scoondal · 10-09-2020 12:21AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why are practices like opening all the windows in school classrooms within built up areas accepted as solutions to preserve health? These schools will be overcome with diesel and wood burning stove emissions that will cause much more health damage to children than Covid ever would.

Yep.
Neighbours burning their rubbish to save €18 a month.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 12:23AM

khalessi wrote: »

What would you suggest as an alternative?

Banning diesel cars and wood burning stoves in built up areas, they are the asbestos of our generation.

khalessi · 10-09-2020 12:23AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Banning diesel cars and wood burning stoves in built up areas, they are the aspestos of our generation.

ANd in the meantime regarding schools and ventilation, what would you suggest?

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 12:26AM

khalessi wrote: »

ANd in the meantime regarding schools and ventilation, what would you suggest?

Open the windows with a 2km exclusion zone of diesel cars and wood burning stoves.

DevilsHaircut · 10-09-2020 12:27AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Kinda surprised they are not looking for more qualified (if it exists) staff
Going by that requirements basic education is all that's needed

Self-swabbing has been proven to be almost as effective.

The fact that we're still sending an ambulance with presumably two paramedics for in-home testing is ludicrous.

khalessi · 10-09-2020 12:27AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Open the windows with a 2km exclusion zone of diesel cars and wood burning stoves.

Sounds great! Cant wait for you to sort it out. When can we expect it? Next week? I presume since you have an interest you will be pushing that agenda with the relevant people.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 12:30AM

khalessi wrote: »

Sounds great! Cant wait for you to sort it out. When can we expect it? Next week? I presume since you have an interest you will be pushing that agenda with the relevant people.

The Greens are back in power, they encouraged the diesel car and wood burning stoves, their aim would appear to be to kill off the human race to save the planet.

khalessi · 10-09-2020 12:32AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The Greens are back in power, they encouraged the diesel car and wood burning stoves, their aim would appear to be to kill off the human race to save the planet.

Yeah but not answering the question asked.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 12:34AM

khalessi wrote: »

Yeah but not answering the question asked.

They were able to restrict peoples travel to 2km, they were able to pull €9 billion out of their arsehole pocket for Covid with zero notice or planning, anything is possible if they want to. I as a citizen can only advise of the complete wrong and crooked path they are taking.

Goldengirl · 10-09-2020 12:34AM

Scoondal wrote: »

Yep.
Neighbours burning their rubbish to save €18 a month.

You know that question you asked a while back about whether to send your child back to school ?
I went to the trouble to go back to post guidelines that were posted on the thread by another earlier today for you .
Did you even look at that post ? Or aren't you interested really ?

inthenip · 10-09-2020 12:35AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They were able to restrict peoples travel to 2km, they were able to pull €9 billion out of their arsehole pocket for Covid, anything is possible if they want to. I as a citizen can only advise of the complete wrong and crooked path they are taking.

You realize people could still drive to the shop and work don't you or anywhere else within 2Km

khalessi · 10-09-2020 12:35AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They were able to restrict peoples travel to 2km, they were able to pull €9 billion out of their arsehole pocket for Covid, anything is possible if they want to. I as a citizen can only advise of the complete wrong and crooked path they are taking.

So you arent really interested in schools and ventilation, just like politicians use a hook to go on about your agenda. You have not interest in solving the issue you brought up but just using it as a soapbox, interesting.

DevilsHaircut · 10-09-2020 12:36AM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Pooled samples, to the extent of 200 would severely dilute the smaple so that any viral material would be too low to detect.

There are far bigger issues than just buying more equipment. Labs are still having issues sourcing reagents and materials...

Pooled sampling generally uses 5-10 samples and would save on reagents.

Its main use is for larger cohorts with low infection prevalence, of which we have many.

And I thought that the reason that PCR was the 'gold standard' (despite the false negative rate from poor swabbing/different sites of infection) was because of its ability to detect and amplify a tiny amount of genomic material.

https://twitter.com/LindorffLarsen/status/1303665855381860353

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 12:36AM

inthenip wrote: »

You realize people could still drive to the shop and work don't you?

Yes and they can stick up a ban on truck traffic at the drop of a hat for certain roads, similar can be done for diesel cars.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 12:37AM

khalessi wrote: »

So you arent really interested in schools and ventilation, just like politicians use a hook to go on about your agenda. You have not interest in solving the issue you brought up but just using it as a soapbox, interesting.

Ventilating the school in a built up area is like telling someone who smokes cigars to switch to cigarettes.

inthenip · 10-09-2020 12:44AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Yes and they can stick up a ban on truck traffic at the drop of a hat for certain roads, similar can be done for diesel cars.

But Windows are open in schools six months of the year regardless of Covid.

There not going to open Windows when it's Baltic outside.

khalessi · 10-09-2020 12:46AM

inthenip wrote: »

But Windows are open in schools six months of the year regardless of Covid.

There not going to open Windows when it's Baltic outside.

Oh we will and we have been told we can teach in coats but rooms have to be ventilated

Atlantic Dawn · 10-09-2020 01:02AM

There's about 10 TD's, journalists and media personalities in the entire country who ask realistic questions challenging the absolute rubbish we are being served by this government way out of its depth, the rest are pure cowards.

Honourable mentions to...
Michael McNamara
Mattie McGrath
Ivan Yates
Michael Healy-Rae
Niall Boylan

mandrake04 · 10-09-2020 01:03AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Pooled sampling generally uses 5-10 samples and would save on reagents.

Its main use is for larger cohorts with low infection prevalence, of which we have many.

And I thought that the reason that PCR was the 'gold standard' (despite the false negative rate from poor swabbing/different sites of infection) was because of its ability to detect and amplify a tiny amount of genomic material.

https://twitter.com/LindorffLarsen/status/1303665855381860353

Germany has Autopoolers on front of their 88s, think they use 6:1 that’s why they have the capability 400,000 per day. Some other countries use 10:1, 4:1 etc.

You are right 10:1 is the most I heard, but most countries would be pooling by hand 2:1/3:1 the danger is making mistakes and of course exposure.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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