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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #2462
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    You are wrong you know. They won't make Xmas

    I am never wrong. Christmas is 124 days away!!


  • #2463
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    A lot saying the government won't last but how can they possibly hold a general election now? I don't think NPHET would be fond of the idea.


  • #2464
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Hawthorn Tree wrote: »
    The biggest problem is that the government has completely lost the moral high ground in relation to Covid restrictions.
    It will be very difficult for the government to regain the confidence and trust of the public. Their credibility is in tatters.

    Agree, but to be fair, most people will observe restrictions to protect their loved ones and families, they rely on that.

    It's the rent a crowd who won't and probably never did anyway.


  • #2465
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    National govt would be a disaster, this is as near as we have come to one and look at it? Fg behaving disgracefully, throw SF, Lab etc into the mix and what have you? Not sure the Greens would suffer too much either in an election


    I totally agree with what you say.
    I was just thinking of National Government until Covid allows go to the polls.


  • #2466
    seligehgit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    A lot saying the government won't last but how can they possibly hold a general election now? I don't think NPHET would be fond of the idea.

    No chance of a general election.


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  • #2467
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    A lot saying the government won't last but how can they possibly hold a general election now? I don't think NPHET would be fond of the idea.

    Matters not one jot whether NPHET would be fond of it or not, democracy innit


  • #2468
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    A lot saying the government won't last but how can they possibly hold a general election now? I don't think NPHET would be fond of the idea.

    This govt override NPHET anytime it bloody well suits them FFS. Wonder what NPHET thought about Clifden?


  • #2469
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    National govt would be a disaster, this is as near as we have come to one and look at it? Fg behaving disgracefully, throw SF, Lab etc into the mix and what have you? Not sure the Greens would suffer too much either in an election

    It's curious the one main party you didn't mention?
    As for this being the closest we've been? No, it's not we've had the rainbow coalition of 94-97 that was of a similar make-up.

    FG's disgraceful behaviour is quite calculated, as the fallout isn't blowing back on them.
    SF, why make any noise at all when the Govt are making all the mistakes needed to make them appear a viable alternative without their needing to utter a word.

    I'd hazard the greens will suffer the usual fate of the junior party when election comes.
    Eamon Ryan's snooze in the Dail won't win many repeat votes.


  • #2470
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,565 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    seligehgit wrote: »
    No chance of a general election.

    Plenty saying a few hours ago that there was no chance of Hogan going...he has been asked to go by leaders and exposed as a liar.
    A lock of hours is a long time in politics.


  • #2471
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    And it all started with Failte Ireland man going abroad. No going back from that.


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  • #2472
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    ShamNNspace wrote: »
    Matters not one jot whether NPHET would be fond of it or not, democracy innit

    Yeah people talk like we are in some Doctor Dictatorship. The logistics would be a nightmare but an election is doable.

    At the same time I still don't see another election until mid 2021 at the earliest. This issue isn't enough to bring down the Dail. It would be foolish given it took 5 months to put this shambles of a government together.

    The opposition do not want another election. Why would they with all the damage FFG are self inflicting.


  • #2473
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,119 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    This Govt are no longer seen as trying their best but occasionally making mistakes, which people accept.

    They are now seen as morons and they won't recover from that.

    Whether they last or not is not going to change that


  • #2474
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    maestroamado wrote: »
    I totally agree with what you say.
    I was just thinking of National Government until Covid allows go to the polls.

    Just to chime in that for Coillte Bhoy too.
    This would be my own thinking too, it's not a "good" option but it is the safest option until a safe election can be held.


  • #2475
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    banie01 wrote: »
    It's curious the one main party you didn't mention?
    As for this being the closest we've been? No, it's not we've had the rainbow coalition of 94-97 that was of a similar make-up.

    FG's disgraceful behaviour is quite calculated, as the fallout isn't blowing back on them.
    SF, why make any noise at all when the Govt are making all the mistakes needed to make them appear a viable alternative without their needing to utter a word.

    I'd hazard the greens will suffer the usual fate of the junior party when election comes.
    Eamon Ryan's snooze in the Dail won't win many repeat votes.

    FF have all the wrong ministries. They are on a loser no matter what happens.
    Leo needs to assess where the FF and Green seats will go to. FG might get some but SF, SDs and Labour will gobble the rest up. FF could end up with 15-20 if they called an election today. Dara and Barry would top the polls in Mayo/Offaly...


  • #2476
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I just wonder who people would pick fo Taoiseach and the princible 5/6 Ministers from the lot of them.
    I doubt if there be 10 in all parties who could cut-it at the top as MD for Ireland with the multi-nationals here.
    Just wondering across all parties...


  • #2477
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Phishnet wrote: »
    What is an interesting observation from all of this, besides the blatant breach of the covid regulations by the elite class; is who was actually present at the Oireachtas golf society dinner - in order of increasing importance to the "establishment" there were journalist (important for getting the establishment's messages and propaganda out to the sheep (Joe public), next the Judiciary (important to enforce the establishment's laws), then the past and present members of the Oireachtas (important for enacting laws for the benefit of the "establishment") like the recent civil and criminal law (miscellaneous provisions) act 2020, and finally the lobbyists for the "establishment", the +3 that accompanied Mr Brian Hayes, CEO of the Banking and Payments Federation of Ireland.

    Yep and the dinner was in honour of one of Charles Haughey's staunchest allies. He was one of the 'gang of 5'.


  • #2478
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,951 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Election wouldnt really change anything much unless it gave Sf chance to lead a govt, not what we need right now and thats not being anti SF but now is not the time to dip your toes in govt for the very first time


  • #2479
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    maestroamado wrote: »
    I just wonder who people would pick fo Taoiseach and the princible 5/6 Ministers from the lot of them.
    I doubt if there be 10 in all parties who could cut-it at the top as MD for Ireland with the multi-nationals here.
    Just wondering across all parties...


    Considering what we are currently looking at that bar isn't actually set very high.


  • #2480
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    I wonder who will be on the talk airwaves tomorrow from the government. I cant wait.

    Night Night all.


  • #2481
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Hawthorn Tree wrote: »
    FF have all the wrong ministries. They are on a loser no matter what happens.
    Leo needs to assess where the FF and Green seats will go to. FG might get some but SF, SDs and Labour will gobble the rest up. FF could end up with 15-20 if they called an election today. Dara and Barry would top the polls in Mayo/Offaly...

    SD's and Labour have very few decent candidates and those they do have are already their party core, that has shown over the last few election cycles.

    Sinn Fein and Independents are far more likely to take the contestable seats.
    Which is a danger to rational government in and of itself.

    The FG party top brass really must be chuckling at the actual Clusterphuck that Meehole has presided over.
    Even the FG scalps to go are blowing back on the "Government" rather than the FG enablers.


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  • #2482
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Leo knows if he bring down the government now that he will sail back into power.

    The question is if he is willing to have a GE or not.

    You think Leo’s going to bring down the government when Phil Hogan is the story of the day? Leo is not an idiot. The government won’t fall this year, it will stumble on for at least 12 months.


  • #2483
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    No election yet IMV, Covid or no Covid.

    SF would clean up and be squeaky clean of course. I guess the media will be on high surveillance alert 24/7.

    Anyway I am no SF supporter, but at this stage I'd be willing to see how they might govern the country. Has to happen sooner or later IMV. But right now is not the time IMV.


  • #2484
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,951 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Hawthorn Tree wrote: »
    FF have all the wrong ministries. They are on a loser no matter what happens.
    Leo needs to assess where the FF and Green seats will go to. FG might get some but SF, SDs and Labour will gobble the rest up. FF could end up with 15-20 if they called an election today. Dara and Barry would top the polls in Mayo/Offaly...

    Not a hope Calleary would top the poll in Mayo, he doesnt really have any appeal outside FF and Ballina, he will hold his seat alright but thats about it


  • #2485
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    BBC have picked up the Hogan story
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53876750?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_custom3=%40BBCWorld&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom4=33A9A122-E4C5-11EA-8BF6-FC924744363C&at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7

    And Bloomberg
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-22/eu-trade-chief-faces-growing-pressure-to-explain-golf-outing?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_medium=social&utm_content=business


  • #2486
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1297292088573296641?s=19


  • #2487
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1297307813585334273?s=21


  • #2488
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1297307813585334273?s=21

    You couldn't make this up. What an absolute shambles this government have been from the get go.


  • #2489
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Good opinion column in Examiner by Alison O'Connor:
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40035347.html

    The bit about Varadkar and his carryon around the meetings Monday and Tuesday are well, revealing.


  • #2490
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    This would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious. We are seeing a huge upsurge in the virus days before schools open and weeks away from a possible hard Brexit and the government is falling apart before our very eyes.

    We are now the laughing stock of Europe as we enter possibly the most crucial period of our lifetimes and all because of our cowardly self centred politicians. This is where decades of putting party before country screws us, royally.

    Shame on them all.


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  • #2491
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,194 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Good opinion column in Examiner by Alison O'Connor:
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40035347.html

    The bit about Varadkar and his carryon around the meetings Monday and Tuesday are well, revealing.

    Funny how people think FF and FG are in cahoots.


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