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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #2402
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    If the holland story is true, and suspect Martin & Varadkar, wouldnt be taking their extreme position without advance knowledge of some breaking news, then how on earth did hogan imagine it wouldn't emerge? Or is he that arrogant and indomitable he just doesn't care whats thrown at him? Wouldnt surprise me in the slightest.


  • #2403
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    He’s been in the job for less than a couple of months. Inglorious start but can’t be judged yet. Why is there always a rush to make statements like this?

    He's lost two ministers, his health and education ministers are not getting their message across, his Tanaiste is breaking rank and doing solo runs, and this is all occurring in the 'honeymoon and holiday' period.


  • #2404
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Yeah, on reflection you are probably right.

    But we do really need someone with cojones for the Trade Deal too. I'm conflicted TBH.

    I’ve posted this a couple of times. If what he did deserves resignations/sacking, he should go. That’s the only question that needs answering.

    If anyone thinks he should stay because he’s good at his job or because it’s in Ireland’s best interest that he stays then you’re advocating a system where the punishment depends on who the person being punished is rather than the crime they’ve committed. That’s no way to decide these things.

    He’s well out of order particularly if the SW story is true (and even if it’s not). He has to go.


  • #2405
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Hogan has to be sacked by the EU Commission. If it happens Ursula Von der Leyen will do it.

    I wonder if any Commissioner has been sacked before.

    She has no choice now. He's put other people at risk when the EU is in the middle of fighting the virus. He's finished.


  • #2406
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    He's lost two ministers, his health and education ministers are not getting their message across, his Tanaiste is breaking rank and doing solo runs, and this is all occurring in the 'honeymoon and holiday' period.

    It’s still too early to judge him.


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  • #2407
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    maestroamado wrote: »
    We do not need people like that, ever. He is an embarrasment to us as a country.
    I expect that what has happened behind the scenes will decide. If the EU do not want him he will resign with some spin reason...
    Yep, even though a commissioner is nominated by a country and becomes an EU Commissioner, their first allegiance is to the EU not the country they come from (so I don't really think 'we need him there' means diddlysquat esp. Mercosur Hogan tbh), the country that nominated them can have some sway over their position via the EU if they make such a press release as tonights, they are basically saying we don't have confidence in the guy we nominated!

    At the very least, it should prompt an investigation by the EU.


  • #2408
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Hogan has to be sacked by the EU Commission. If it happens Ursula Von der Leyen will do it.

    I wonder if any Commissioner has been sacked before.

    He definitely won't be sacked, but it's looking increasingly likely that he will have to resign


  • #2409
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    She has no choice now. He's put other people at risk when the EU is in the middle of fighting the virus. He's finished.

    The EU AFAIS did not issue any instructions to member states re C19. They totally backed off and left it up to individual member states to decide how to react.

    Wonder on what basis he could be sacked by VD Leyen. Not supporting Hogan at all, just wondering how it could happen.


  • #2410
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Yeah, on reflection you are probably right.

    But we do really need someone with cojones for the Trade Deal too. I'm conflicted TBH.


    I am biased i never liked him as i thought he full of shlt.
    He was so stupid he couldn't have a bit of fun in Doha without being on the front page pic fallowing day.
    I am non political...


  • #2411
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    maestroamado wrote: »
    I am biased i never liked him as i thought he full of shlt.
    He was so stupid he couldn't have a bit of fun in Doha without being on the front page pic fallowing day.
    I am non political...

    I hear ya loud and clear.

    I did make an error of judgment, clouded perhaps by hoping that little ole Ireland had a strong voice at the Brexit Trade talks.

    I submit my resignation fortwith!


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  • #2412
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The EU AFAIS did not issue any instructions to member states re C19. They totally backed off and left it up to individual member states to decide how to react.

    Wonder on what basis he could be sacked by VD Leyen. Not supporting Hogan at all, just wondering how it could happen.

    Honestly dont know the answer to that question but if it turns out that Hogan has not only been breaching guidelines but lying through his teeth about it as well and suffers no consequences, i think it just adds to the perception and anger out there that some people are completely above accountability. I think that puts him in an extremely tight position, whatever the technicalities of the situation regarding his job.


  • #2413
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The EU AFAIS did not issue any instructions to member states re C19. They totally backed off and left it up to individual member states to decide how to react.

    Wonder on what basis he could be sacked by VD Leyen. Not supporting Hogan at all, just wondering how it could happen.

    He'll be made an offer he can't refuse, word in is shell-like innit


  • #2414
    jpfahy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭jpfahy


    So how much will that round of golf cost Phil in terms of loss of earnings? A couple of million at least. Most expensive round ever!!!!


  • #2415
    swampgas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    How can the Irish Government sack him?

    The Taoiseach is a member of the European Council, with the prime ministers of the other 26 member states. It's not like he is restricted to national politics!
    His opinion will be heard, and while Phil Hogan can't be fired, even he can be pressured into resigning.
    We actually need him as Trade Commissioner for Brexit. He has a neck like a jockey's blx which is what is needed to face up to Britain in this aspect.

    It does pain me to say that, but we shall see what happens.

    I don't think Phil Hogan is what we need right now - ff anything he could be a liability, given this incident.


  • #2416
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I hear ya loud and clear.

    I did make an error of judgment, clouded perhaps by hoping that little ole Ireland had a strong voice at the Brexit Trade talks.

    I submit my resignation fortwith!


    Resignation refused, i prefer to communicate with people where we can have different opinions...


  • #2417
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    jpfahy wrote: »
    So how much will that round of golf cost Phil in terms of loss of earnings? A couple of million at least. Most expensive round ever!!!!
    As another poster said above, he's majorly in the boys club so he'll be absolutely looked after.
    This is his basic, very basic pay right now:
    A Commissioner's basic monthly salary is fixed at 112.5% of the top civil service grade. This works out at €22,367.04 per month


  • #2418
    ronivek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Over 2,000 posts dragging on for days and days because approximately 80 people attended a social function where the limit was 50. Jesus wept.

    I mean I get that people are annoyed at the perception there's 'one rule for them and one rule for us' but it's utter horse manure; 'us' have been flouting all kinds of restrictions since day one. And you can bet your life that Johnny who was jammed into the pub for hours didn't have to resign afterwards.

    And not only that but if you're attending a social event at a hotel; you're naturally going to assume that they will be abiding by the restrictions for holding such events. So is it the case that no politician should be attending any social event whatsoever? Aside from the fact that the guidelines promoted and published by the Government state:
    Multiple gatherings are allowed in venue facilities provided they are in separate defined spaces and there are systems to prevent intermingling in common spaces(e.g. entrances, exits and toilet facilities).

    I mean if the guidelines were indeed breached then that is the responsibility of the event organisers and the hotel; not the guests. Yet it's the guests who are being pilloried across the media irrespective of whether they as individuals were following all guidelines as attendees of an event.

    Be pissed off that an event occurred in violation of the guidelines; fine. This happens daily and we should continue to be pissed off that it occurs. However the response to this has been way out of any kind of reasonable proportion both in the context of Irish Politics and what is actually going on in the world in general. Some people really need to get a damn grip.


  • #2419
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    He is toast. Au revoir Phil.


  • #2420
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,129 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    His position is now untenable.


  • #2421
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    It could up being the best thing happened in Irish politics in the last 40 years...


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  • #2422
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The EU AFAIS did not issue any instructions to member states re C19. They totally backed off and left it up to individual member states to decide how to react.

    Wonder on what basis he could be sacked by VD Leyen. Not supporting Hogan at all, just wondering how it could happen.

    Public endangerment. Breaking the quarantine rules of a EU block nation and then lying about it.


  • #2423
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,768 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    stockshares wrote: »
    Letter from Alan Jelly to the Taoiseach.

    https://twitter.com/alankellylabour/status/1297274318372691975?s=19

    Kelly is another politician I detest.
    At one time during the Water Protests I thought he was Big Phil’s love child.
    Both united by arrogance.


  • #2424
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭gifted


    Will the supreme judge go as well?...I still don't think hogan will go that easy


  • #2425
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,567 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ronivek wrote: »
    Over 2,000 posts dragging on for days and days because approximately 80 people attended a social function where the limit was 50. Jesus wept.

    I mean I get that people are annoyed at the perception there's 'one rule for them and one rule for us' but it's utter horse manure; 'us' have been flouting all kinds of restrictions since day one. And you can bet your life that Johnny who was jammed into the pub for hours didn't have to resign afterwards.

    And not only that but if you're attending a social event at a hotel; you're naturally going to assume that they will be abiding by the restrictions for holding such events. So is it the case that no politician should be attending any social event whatsoever? Aside from the fact that the guidelines promoted and published by the Government state:

    I mean if the guidelines were indeed breached then that is the responsibility of the event organisers and the hotel; not the guests. Yet it's the guests who are being pilloried across the media irrespective of whether they as individuals were following all guidelines as attendees of an event.

    Be pissed off that an event occurred in violation of the guidelines; fine. This happens daily and we should continue to be pissed off that it occurs. However the response to this has been way out of any kind of reasonable proportion both in the context of Irish Politics and what is actually going on in the world in general. Some people really need to get a damn grip.

    Put that in an email and send it to Michael and Leo quick...get them to put that message out in response and get back to us about how it all goes.


  • #2426
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Phil is telling pokies about his movements. He'll resign tomorrow.


  • #2427
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    As another poster said above, he's majorly in the boys club so he'll be absolutely looked after.
    This is his basic, very basic pay right now:
    A Commissioner's basic monthly salary is fixed at 112.5% of the top civil service grade. This works out at €22,367.04 per month

    Ah that's only a pittance to him. As you say that's the basic, it's the top ups that matter. I think their tax treatment is quite favourable too, not sure just based on something I remember reading a while ago.

    I wonder will Mairead Mc Guinness (VP of the EU Parliament) make a statement, or be asked for a comment. LOL.


  • #2428
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    ronivek wrote: »
    Over 2,000 posts dragging on for days and days because approximately 80 people attended a social function where the limit was 50. Jesus wept.

    I mean I get that people are annoyed at the perception there's 'one rule for them and one rule for us' but it's utter horse manure; 'us' have been flouting all kinds of restrictions since day one. And you can bet your life that Johnny who was jammed into the pub for hours didn't have to resign afterwards.

    And not only that but if you're attending a social event at a hotel; you're naturally going to assume that they will be abiding by the restrictions for holding such events. So is it the case that no politician should be attending any social event whatsoever? Aside from the fact that the guidelines promoted and published by the Government state:

    I mean if the guidelines were indeed breached then that is the responsibility of the event organisers and the hotel; not the guests. Yet it's the guests who are being pilloried across the media irrespective of whether they as individuals were following all guidelines as attendees of an event.

    Be pissed off that an event occurred in violation of the guidelines; fine. This happens daily and we should continue to be pissed off that it occurs. However the response to this has been way out of any kind of reasonable proportion both in the context of Irish Politics and what is actually going on in the world in general. Some people really need to get a damn grip.


    Your post doesn't recognise that tv, radio, newspapers all have this as the #1 story as it is developing hour by hour.
    You also didn't once mention lawmakers were involved, very high positioned lawmakers who erm, make the rules.
    Ever heard of the phrase, 'bring the people with you'?
    Trying to get people on this here forum to stop being inconvenient to party feelings won't work.


  • #2429
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    gifted wrote: »
    Will the supreme judge go as well?...I still don't think hogan will go that easy

    Doubt its in his nature to go easy. But the two leaders have fairly set their stall out on this, they'd look a bit weak, or at least weaker than they already are, if big phil stood his ground and held off. Would be some mexican stand off if it came to it!


  • #2430
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,156 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Just where can the bould Phil fail upwards to from here?

    He's already withdrawn from the WTO director general nomination, off to Bilderberg or some other cabaal?

    I see the Taoseaich, Tanaiste and the token gimp have moved to recall the Dail too!
    Dissolution? And new election called? How will an election run here during a pandemic?
    Could the voting window be extended?


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  • #2431
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    Public endangerment. Breaking the quarantine rules of a EU block nation and then lying about it.


    Politics and negotiation just a game, if you have no Credibility its game over...


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