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yosemitesam1 · 22-08-2020 05:58PM

Water John wrote: »

Sam, the regular survey is a good idea. You wouldn't need the size of sample you're suggesting. Something like 2,000 should do. With the fairly invasive test in use, it's probably not practical ATM. Once a saliva, esp DIY becomes available then yes.

It's not a good idea, it's a minimum standard.

Uncertainty is an inherent part of field sampling and population monitoring. The only option available to counteract that uncertainty is introduce randomness. All the experts have failed to grasp this.
You want to soil test a field, what do you do to get a representative sample?
Add randomness by collecting multiple samples from different areas.
It's so fundamental to so much of the sampling of nearly everything that I don't see how it has been overlooked

longgonesilver · 22-08-2020 06:34PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

I don't understand why with our testing capacity that they couldn't have setup a random population monitoring survey. Either a group of say 100,000 or so tested every two weeks or else test 50,000 random people every week.
Those approaches would give numbers that actually mean something

Do you know what a test costs?

yosemitesam1 · 22-08-2020 07:16PM

longgonesilver wrote: »

Do you know what a test costs?

€200 a pop, lockdown and associated restrictions in excess of €30 billion, current testing strategy has cost over €200 million and has given very little usable data to move us out of current position

Water John · 22-08-2020 07:25PM

€200 was the exhorbitant price being charged by some Dublin private hospitals. Real cost a fraction of that.

Every fool in Dublin gathered in one place, anti-lockdown protest;
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0822/1160698-anti-lockdown-protest/

minerleague · 23-08-2020 10:07AM

Water John wrote: »

€200 was the exhorbitant price being charged by some Dublin private hospitals. Real cost a fraction of that.

Every fool in Dublin gathered in one place, anti-lockdown protest;
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0822/1160698-anti-lockdown-protest/

Maybe they are fools, but i'm waiting since may for cancer scan, so what with backlog of screening and then longer lists for treatment how long will i wait? Always paid VHI ( and parents before) but no go when needed( feel like a fool thinking on amounts spent ) Now I know not all scans lead to anything but age, symptoms and family history for same ( and glass half empty :rolleyes: type) means thinking about whatif a lot

Water John · 23-08-2020 10:12AM

Minerleague, fully emphatise with your position. Staff in the private hospitals were furious of the deal done over their heads.

wrangler · 23-08-2020 10:28AM

minerleague wrote: »

Maybe they are fools, but i'm waiting since may for cancer scan, so what with backlog of screening and then longer lists for treatment how long will i wait? Always paid VHI ( and parents before) but no go when needed( feel like a fool thinking on amounts spent ) Now I know not all scans lead to anything but age, symptoms and family history for same ( and glass half empty :rolleyes: type) means thinking about whatif a lot

Yea, It sickens me that the useless Public Pervice has taken over our only alternative, I've been to A and E twice since lockdown and there's nothing going on in the hospitals, apparently they've decided that pre existing conditions aren't deteriorating since lockdown.
Having the empty Private Hospitals at their disposal you'd imagine they'd be eating into waiting lists

Mooooo · 23-08-2020 10:39AM

It's the lack of info in the public domain that annoys people even more. Than various stories that make people doubt those making the calls, rightly or wrongly, shall create another issue in itself

emaherx · 23-08-2020 10:48AM

wrangler wrote: »

Yea, It sickens me that the useless Public Pervice has taken over our only alternative, I've been to A and E twice since lockdown and there's nothing going on in the hospitals, apparently they've decided that pre existing conditions aren't deteriorating since lockdown.
Having the empty Private Hospitals at their disposal you'd imagine they'd be eating into waiting lists

I know people who've had routine procedures carried out as normal. It's not like the hospitals have just stopped.

The A and E being quite is another issue all together, mostly they aren't filled to the brim with non emergency patients who should probably went to their GP's in the first place (if they needed to go anywhere).

Mooooo · 23-08-2020 10:56AM

emaherx wrote: »

I know people who've had routine procedures carried out as normal. It's not like the hospitals have just stopped.

The A and E being quite is another issue all together, mostly they aren't filled to the brim with non emergency patients who should probably went to their GP's in the first place (if they needed to go anywhere).

A world of scans and the like have been put off, a lot important for early diagnosis, only slowly getting back going

wrangler · 23-08-2020 11:50AM

emaherx wrote: »

I know people who've had routine procedures carried out as normal. It's not like the hospitals have just stopped.

The A and E being quite is another issue all together, mostly they aren't filled to the brim with non emergency patients who should probably went to their GP's in the first place (if they needed to go anywhere).

True, I shouldn't have been there if my consultant was able to see me in March instead of having to wait until now. six months later.
Like I said Public Service has decided preexisting conditions have miracously gone into remission because of covid.

Water John · 23-08-2020 11:52AM

The owners of the private hospitals saw the easy money. Deal was very poor for everyone else.

whelan2 · 23-08-2020 01:46PM

Mooooo wrote: »

A world of scans and the like have been put off, a lot important for early diagnosis, only slowly getting back going

Sister went yesterday for her annual mri, it was in july last year. Amazed it was done on a Saturday in Smithfield. She normally goes to Beaumont

Buford T. Justice XIX · 24-08-2020 08:34PM

The first documented case of reinfection with covid19. Second case was milder and doctors suspect some level of immunity was present from the first infection.
https://twitter.com/damiangarde/status/1297888175684190212?s=19

Water John · 24-08-2020 08:49PM

Would be interesting to know if it was a slightly diff strain?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 24-08-2020 08:57PM

Water John wrote: »

Would be interesting to know if it was a slightly diff strain?

It was. They had already tested the original and the new strain was different.

Base price · 24-08-2020 10:00PM

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

It was. They had already tested the original and the new strain was different.

So does that mean the new strain is less virulent?

Water John · 24-08-2020 10:05PM

The patient may have had some Covid antibodies but also the new strain was different enough to infect him/her. That's my reading of it.

Base price · 24-08-2020 10:22PM

As an aside, there is little evidence of a lockdown in Kildare. OH and I have been drawing round bales of straw from the Naas area every day since last Wednesday (including Sunday) - we had to clear a shed of last years straw as the farmer wanted the shed clear to stack this years bales. We never came across a checkpoint on the route that we took - N4/M4, Kilcock, Clane and Naas.

Water John · 24-08-2020 10:46PM

Last years straw will still be better than this years.
Whilst Kildare was high, the nature of the spread in Dublin is more of a concern.

Base price · 24-08-2020 10:59PM

Water John wrote: »

Last years straw will still be better than this years.
Whilst Kildare was high, the nature of the spread in Dublin is more of a concern.

TBH I'm not surprised. We have the highest density of population and in my own observation the lack of social distancing/general disregard of the guidelines.

Let alone the fact that Dublin Airport, Dublin Port and Dun Laoghaire are open for all and sundry.

yosemitesam1 · 25-08-2020 04:07AM

Water John wrote: »

The patient may have had some Covid antibodies but also the new strain was different enough to infect him/her. That's my reading of it.

That's not likely to be the case. Coronavirus can reproduce in mucous without necessarily causing the body to mount an immune response.
Look at how e coli and other pathogens can make up a part of microbiome but never actually cause disease.

Say my name · 09-09-2020 12:05PM

If anyone wants some super Covid fighting milk just Holler..

https://thefishsite.com/articles/seaweeds-potential-to-fight-covid-19-is-recognised-by-who?fbclid=IwAR3OJvd-AckVGgObNvZegJHktkeSTA5jm9arGHUrxTaA-Cay5_F3rZPD4DI

_Brian · 09-09-2020 04:39PM

Hopefully the setback in Cambridge with the vaccine development isn’t too serious and they get restarted again.

The more good labs working on it the better.

Short term I’ll be keeping up the Vit D supplements, all emerging data shows its massively important in fighting Covid if you are unfortunate enough to contract it.

Water John · 09-09-2020 06:23PM

Oxford won't be happy with you confusing them with Cambridge, but they might be, in this case.

zetecescort · 09-09-2020 08:10PM

are they waiting till after the All Ireland before they lockdown Dublin or what? tonight must be the 3rd or 4th night that they are concerned about the numbers in Dublin yet do nothing about it

whelan2 · 09-09-2020 09:02PM

zetecescort wrote: »

are they waiting till after the All Ireland before they lockdown Dublin or what? tonight must be the 3rd or 4th night that they are concerned about the numbers in Dublin yet do nothing about it

The figures today are a bit off I think, no cases in limerick.

greysides · 09-09-2020 09:06PM

Do the number of 'cases' correspond with mortality, or not?

What's going on?

Here's a different perspective.

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

ruwithme · 09-09-2020 09:12PM

Be good to hear how many were tested on daily basis positive/negatives

Undoubtedly alot of people thinking they have it if getting tested.

Media driving quite a bit to say the least of anxiety among people

_Brian · 09-09-2020 09:18PM

Water John wrote: »

Oxford won't be happy with you confusing them with Cambridge, but they might be, in this case.

Ahhh..
All the same.. both places full of auld brit toffs :rolleyes:

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