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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #2162
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Any teachers or guards at the dinner? Any public servants? No mention of them? No resignations there? How strange. We both know that you arent telling the full story there so maybe spare the public servant spiel please.

    So nobody should be held to account unless everyone is held to account?


  • #2163
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I understand the difference

    Good


  • #2164
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    Was there not a table plan published that accounted for 80+people?
    If so,they clearly were expecting more than 50 attendees

    It was spread across 2 rooms though. These rules are only after being written. It is feasible that they could have believed that that was within the rules. There is a lot of that kind of thing going on with pubs etc. It isnt clearcut and I think that soneone could have attended under the belief that they were within the rules


  • #2165
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    He tweeted yesterday that he was completely in the wrong. Not a whole else that can be said as he’s retired.

    https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817100397457411?s=20

    https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817103182471169?s=20


    In an interview I heard with him shortly after his retirement he hinted that he would stay in work in some capacity, making one off programmes, nice handy nixers for decent money from his pals in RTÉ. Be interesting to see if this happens now, I’d say it will when the dust settles. As an aside In his interview he came across as a right egotistical arrogant prick. It was the first time I’d ever heard an interview with him which was about him. Used to like or have respect for him up until that interview. No surprise to me now that he was at that rubbing shoulders with his FG pals.


    Am I the only one who thinks a journalist shouldn’t be socialising with politicians and judges? That a journalist shouldn’t accept that invite in the first place?


  • #2166
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    It is clear they didnt expect so many people to be at the thing and just got caught on the spot.

    If you got caught on the spot today while walking into a dinner you had planned and a large crowd of 80 as you entered the room what would you, or anyone with an ounce of sense that intended to adhere to guidelines? You turn around and walk out...it’s very simple.

    Maybe even go and get yourself a chipper if starvation was kicking in, which is likely to be the next excuse from one of them.


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  • #2167
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks a journalist shouldn’t be socialising with politicians and judges? That a journalist shouldn’t accept that invite in the first place?

    Agree 100%. However Irish journalists seem to equate career progression with becoming political advisors so no surprise that they all drink from the same trough.


  • #2168
    RickDeckard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭RickDeckard


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    I got as far as China.

    Big clever witty hardman.

    Heartless.


  • #2169
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    So nobody should be held to account unless everyone is held to account?

    The reason as to why they should lose their jobs was put forward as being due do the fact they are public servants. I pointed out that they werent the only public servants in attendance yet are the only ones losing their jobs. Basically I was showing how that reason is nonsense.

    My concern is that is our rush to stuck it to the politicians we lose sight of what is actually important - our recovery from the current situation. Weakening our own government and in particular our force in europe, isnt something to be taken so lightly.


  • #2170
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,570 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Agree 100%. However Irish journalists seem to equate career progression with becoming political advisors so no surprise that they all drink from the same trough.

    A good thing to come out of this is the now visible interconnectness of poltics, judiciary, law and media.

    O'Rourke is not the first to flirt along a blurry line.


  • #2171
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks a journalist shouldn’t be socialising with politicians and judges? That a journalist shouldn’t accept that invite in the first place?

    Absolutely. It was very clear from his interviews over the years where his political allegiance lay but I didn’t think he was that cosy with them. It was quite surprising he gave Maria Bailey such a grilling, he must’ve got the nod from someone in the party that they wanted rid of her. “You know me Seán....”. You can’t blame her for expecting an easy interview in fairness.


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  • #2172
    boomshakalaka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭boomshakalaka


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A good thing to come out of this is the now visible interconnectness of poltics, judiciary, law and media.

    O'Rourke is not the first to flirt along a blurry line.

    I opened all the news sites this morning to compare headlines - tells a story, especially about RTE


  • #2173
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    So they can make rules but not follow them?
    The shills appear to forget the people involved are lawmakers.
    Not convenient for them.


  • #2174
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A good thing to come out of this is the now visible interconnectness of poltics, judiciary, law and media.

    O'Rourke is not the first to flirt along a blurry line.

    This is happening in Pandemic times, where public officials are under the highest level of scrutiny.

    It actually frightens me to think how often these gatherings happen in normal times. Not to go all conspiracy theorist but it reminds me of the whole Bildeberg groupings. Gatherings of powerful people from across various spectrums that can influence a whole matter of things and the common man/woman is none the wiser.

    The cosiness of FG and FF is on view at the very top table.


  • #2175
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks a journalist shouldn’t be socialising with politicians and judges? That a journalist shouldn’t accept that invite in the first place?

    He's just spent years throwing soft ball questions at TD's so i'm not surprised in the least he is buddies with lots of them.

    Lots of journos and media people get jobs with government PR firms or are employed directly by TD's in this country. There is a nice little earner there for them if they keep their heads down and tow the line.


  • #2176
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    If you got caught on the spot today while walking into a dinner you had planned and a large crowd of 80 as you entered the room what would you, or anyone with an ounce of sense that intended to adhere to guidelines? You turn around and walk out...it’s very simple.

    Maybe even go and get yourself a chipper if starvation was kicking in, which is likely to be the next excuse from one of them.

    What if you were already in there though and more people arrived? What if you were halfway through your dinner at the time? What if it were some event marking your respects to someone who was important to you? What if you were down to speak at it? What if there were two rooms in the restaurant?
    Not so simple all of a sudden.
    I think people are being a bit harsh on them if i am honest. People saying there was a seating plan - who goes counting all the seats in a seating plan? Have you ever done it? You have to be fair.


  • #2177
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    Donie Cassidy made a statement and then added he has been advised not to comment further until the Garda investigation complete. More of the arrogance. Cowards.


  • #2178
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is nothing inherently wrong with journalists socialising with politicians. It is undoubtedly how half of them build a network of contacts. Suggesting that because they have a few drinks together a journalist then won't do his job properly is a pretty baseless and damning indictment. I socialise with people who are professional competitors all the time.


  • #2179
    bottlebrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭bottlebrush


    Just curious. Does anybody know if there are guidelines around the numbers who can stay in a hotel overnight?


  • #2180
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    What if you were already in there though and more people arrived? What if you were halfway through your dinner at the time? What if it were some event marking your respects to someone who was important to you? What if you were down to speak at it? What if there were two rooms in the restaurant?
    Not so simple all of a sudden.
    I think people are being a bit harsh on them if i am honest. People saying there was a seating plan - who goes counting all the seats in a seating plan? Have you ever done it? You have to be fair.
    Stop projecting your personality onto everyone else please.


  • #2181
    rdwight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭rdwight


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    So what?
    Do you think hogan, dc etc deliberately invited all these people and sat back laughing wildly afterwards?
    They are just people, the same as you and I. It is clear they didnt expect so many people to be at the thing and just got caught on the spot.

    Regardless of whether they were notexpecting their dinner (Woulfe) or were given assurances everything was kosher (Hogan et al)....

    how anybody receiving the invitation to this event didn't see the words Oireachtas Golf Outing and go No, No, No is what mystifies me.


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  • #2182
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A good thing to come out of this is the now visible interconnectness of poltics, judiciary, law and media.

    O'Rourke is not the first to flirt along a blurry line.

    Acting CMO Ronan Glynn's wife Carla works for Rte


  • #2183
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,195 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    He's just spent years throwing soft ball questions at TD's so i'm not surprised in the least he is buddies with lots of them.

    Lots of journos and media people get jobs with government PR firms or are employed directly by TD's in this country. There is a nice little earner there for them if they keep their heads down and tow the line.

    Soft ball questions like the Maria Bailey interview?


  • #2184
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Sorolla wrote: »
    I think Dara deserves a lot of kudos for resigning as soon as he realized he made an error of judgement.

    I can only imagine he went to that meeting in very good faith and out of respect for the late Mark Killilea.

    Dara is the only politician in this country that has shown leadership in the last 24 hours.

    It is time for a heave in the FF party - I’m afraid to say the Taoiseach is not leading from the front.

    Maybe in the fullness of time when this little incident is forgotten about Dara could make a bid for the leadership of FF

    Really??? FF are truly finished


  • #2185
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    There is nothing inherently wrong with journalists socialising with politicians. It is undoubtedly how half of them build a network of contacts. Suggesting that because they have a few drinks together a journalist then won't do his job properly is a pretty baseless and damning indictment. I socialise with people who are professional competitors all the time.

    Politicians and journalists aren't competitors.

    The interlaced relationship between them sounds like something you would find in a South American banana republic


  • #2186
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,570 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    This is happening in Pandemic times, where public officials are under the highest level of scrutiny.

    It actually frightens me to think how often these gatherings happen in normal times. Not to go all conspiracy theorist but it reminds me of the whole Bildeberg groupings. Gatherings of powerful people from across various spectrums that can influence a whole matter of things and the common man/woman is none the wiser.

    The cosiness of FG and FF is on view at the very top table.

    Yes I agree on that except the words 'various spectrums'.
    These are 'select spectrums'. The inner workings of the 100 year power swap laid bare, I woukd contend


  • #2187
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    What if you were already in there though and more people arrived? What if you were halfway through your dinner at the time? What if it were some event marking your respects to someone who was important to you? What if you were down to speak at it? What if there were two rooms in the restaurant?
    Not so simple all of a sudden.
    I think people are being a bit harsh on them if i am honest. People saying there was a seating plan - who goes counting all the seats in a seating plan? Have you ever done it? You have to be fair.





    Pádraig, is that you? I couldn't help but imagine the bolded bit is the exact type of thing he would say.:pac:


  • #2188
    boomshakalaka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭boomshakalaka


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    There is nothing inherently wrong with journalists socialising with politicians. It is undoubtedly how half of them build a network of contacts. Suggesting that because they have a few drinks together a journalist then won't do his job properly is a pretty baseless and damning indictment. I socialise with people who are professional competitors all the time.

    I disagree. It's, at absolute minimum, questionable when considering the Journalistic code of conduct.

    https://accountablejournalism.org/ethics-codes/irelands-national-union-of-journalists-code-of-conduct

    Personally I think it's downright unethical


  • #2189
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    boomshakalaka wrote: »
    I disagree. It's, at absolute minimum, questionable when considering the Journalistic code of conduct.

    https://accountablejournalism.org/ethics-codes/irelands-national-union-of-journalists-code-of-conduct

    Personally I think it's downright unethical

    What part of it does it breach?


  • #2190
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Politicians and journalists aren't competitors.

    The interlaced relationship between them sounds like something you would find in a South American banana republic

    They are to a degree, though the relationship is different I will grant you.

    You think every time, across the globe, when journalists report based on sources in govt, in cabinet etc that they are getting info from people they have only ever interacted with in a purely professional capacity and avoid at all costs outside of work? Because that is insane.


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  • #2191
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,570 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    There is nothing inherently wrong with journalists socialising with politicians. It is undoubtedly how half of them build a network of contacts. Suggesting that because they have a few drinks together a journalist then won't do his job properly is a pretty baseless and damning indictment. I socialise with people who are professional competitors all the time.

    George Lee was allowed to go off on a sabbatical with a political party and when it went tits up breezed back into his key journalist role expecting us to think he was impartial and neutral.


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