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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #2132
    eggy81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If thats the case anyone having a house party should have same requirements placed on them

    People aren't supposed to be having house parties outside of the stated restrictions you do realise.


  • #2133
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    The last 10 mins of Playback this morning are worth a listen. People were really upset about how they had to get through Covid illnesses, deaths and burials under strict restrictions when the FF+FG politians and judges and bankers could flaunt the rules in Clifden.


  • #2134
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    'Spain now has Europe's fastest rising caseload, with 142 positive cases per 100,000 inhabitants over the past two weeks. By the time the state of emergency ended on June 21st, Spain was registering 100 to 150 cases per day. That number has risen to more than 3,000.'

    One of the Clifden golf dinner attendees had only just returned from a golfing trip to Spain, did not self quarantine for the required two weeks but joined 80+ people in a crowded hotel last Wednesday night. If I were anywhere near Paudge Connolly, who was the feckless selfish individual who could have placed many people in danger of contracting the virus, I think I would be looking for a test!!

    He should be arrested. There’s an Irish woman currently serving a month in prison on the Isle of Man for breaking quarantine.


  • #2135
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Excellent idea

    Be some laugh alright if one tested positive


    I'd be surprised if some of them didn't. I believe some people from Kildare were at the meal also, as well as the guy who had just returned from Spain.


  • #2136
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Cal4567 wrote: »
    This sort of deflection makes me madder than the dinner itself. I guess you are another loyal Fianna Fail soldier. Looking for crumbs now.

    And your guess would be wrong. Im not political at all. I find people who are, see the thing through a political prism only and it limits their view. They are all the same anyway.

    What i am is a realist.
    We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour. We are going to need a solid government to get out of this well. We are going to need people well up in Europe also. Chopping and changing in a temper isnt going to give us that.
    Im also experienced enough to know that this thing is probably a stitch up to some degree by someone else with some other interest, and that we are all swallowing the bait.


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  • #2137
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭boardise


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I disagree. Not just DC either, any of them. For example, you could go to a gastropub in good faith. Order your meal, have your starter and just as the main comes out a big group come in that push the figures over thr acceptable rate. The thing isnt your doing, but you are now part of it. Do you get up and walk out? You might think, feck it i will just eat this as quick as i can and go. Should you lose your job for doing so? Is it your responsiblity to count how many people are in every pub/shop/etc you enter? Is that realistic?

    As for people being held to higher standards, sorry but that is completely wrong. Our laws are our laws, they apply to everyone the same way. They arent superior beings.

    The real issue here is that no punishments were agreed upon for breaking restrictions, so now people are going to town with them as a 2 fingers to the establishment. Im just concerned that we are cutting off our nose to spite our face

    Well said. It's understandable that there is much bottled up annoyance and frustration among the public which is being hypervented now . But openly sneering at everything government speakers say , trying to pick holes in their statements and spitting vile abuse at them puts us in a very bad place. It's the virus , not government , that has caused the acute problems that some are experiencing. The same can be seen happening in most other developed countries. there's no virus handbook and experts flounder and disagree.
    Hopefully -despite the efforts of the media to fuel the fire- people will calm down . Politicians come from our own communities. -they are not the devil incarnate. Government and people need to co-operate or we're sunk.


  • #2138
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smelly sock wrote: »
    How come Meehole couldnt exoress an opinion on the judiciary but FF members can go off and play golf with them and drink pints.

    Herein lies a very big issue. If they are so independent of each other, why are they here seen to be in the same club, as it were?


  • #2139
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    And your guess would be wrong. Im not political at all. I find people who are, see the thing through a political prism only and it limits their view. They are all the same anyway.

    What i am is a realist.
    We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour. We are going to need a solid government to get out of this well. We are going to need people well up in Europe also. Chopping and changing in a temper isnt going to give us that.
    Im also experienced enough to know that this thing is probably a stitch up to some degree by someone else with some other interest, and that we are all swallowing the bait.

    Would you F off with your ‘we are all’ crap. ‘We’ are not all breaking these rules - and ‘we’ are at risk of penalties if we do. ‘We’ might have businesses that are closed down due to obeying these rules.
    ‘We’ want to see those in a leadership role held to account fully for their choices.


  • #2140
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    boardise wrote: »
    Well said. It's understandable that there is much bottled up annoyance and frustration among the public which is being hypervented now . But openly sneering at everything government speakers say , trying to pick holes in their statements and spitting vile abuse at them puts us in a very bad place. It's the virus , not government , that has caused the acute problems that some are experiencing. The same can be seen happening in most other developed countries. there's no virus handbook and experts flounder and disagree.
    Hopefully -despite the efforts of the media to fuel the fire- people will calm down . Politicians come from our own communities. -they are not the devil incarnate. Government and people need to co-operate or we're sunk.



    So they can make rules but not follow them?


  • #2141
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    What i am is a realist.
    We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour.

    This is challenging.

    Do you see any difference between somebody who is making the rules
     i.e. Dara Calleary breaking them (i.e. Dara Calleary breaking them by attending an indoor function with 81 people) and some ordinary gobsh1te who happens to walk within 1.5m of somebody.

    Would you see any difference between those 2 incidents atall atall


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  • #2142
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    And your guess would be wrong. Im not political at all. I find people who are, see the thing through a political prism only and it limits their view. They are all the same anyway.

    What i am is a realist.
    We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour. We are going to need a solid government to get out of this well. We are going to need people well up in Europe also. Chopping and changing in a temper isnt going to give us that.
    Im also experienced enough to know that this thing is probably a stitch up to some degree by someone else with some other interest, and that we are all swallowing the bait.

    Excuse me, speak for yourself, we are NOT ALL breaking the rules. At least I speak for myself here, and plenty of others I know.


  • #2143
    unhappys10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 692 ✭✭✭unhappys10


    Multipass wrote: »
    Would you F off with your ‘we are all’ crap. ‘We’ are not all breaking these rules - and ‘we’ are at risk of penalties if we do. ‘We’ might have businesses that are closed down due to obeying these rules.
    ‘We’ want to see those in a leadership role held to account fully for their choices.

    Don't even engage with the likes of that poster talking sh1te


  • #2144
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    And your guess would be wrong. Im not political at all. I find people who are, see the thing through a political prism only and it limits their view. They are all the same anyway.

    What i am is a realist.
    We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour. We are going to need a solid government to get out of this well. We are going to need people well up in Europe also. Chopping and changing in a temper isnt going to give us that.
    Im also experienced enough to know that this thing is probably a stitch up to some degree by someone else with some other interest, and that we are all swallowing the bait.

    You may call yourself a realist but you're not very clever are you?

    You don't understand how perception and optics drive behaviours. You don't seem to understand what we need to do so we can maintain a daily life that is as near normal as we can get and maintain the economy to some degree without causing further devastating damage.

    You seem ignorant around accountability and flouting of rules at a time when we all need to be pulling together as one.

    You just don't get it do you?


  • #2145
    Castlekeeper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Cal4567 wrote: »
    I'm afraid that it is. Probably still has a photo of Dev never mind Haughey on his bedside locker.

    Bye bye FF. Everything has a shelf life. FF got to almost 100 years. I'll ask again. When FF breaks up, who will get your vote? FG or will you row in with SF. One or the other surely?

    Jesus no, that's exactly what has happened up North, two bunches of crooked extremists.
    Middle ground here, Greens , SD, Labour, depending on the candidate. Then again I never voted FF.


  • #2146
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    It should be prosecuted in line with the other 150 odd places that are also being held to account.


    As for other allowing their jobs, that’s up to their employers, but public representatives are paid by the public and their behaviour can correctly be judged by the public, let’s not get carried away either, the agri lad has only lost a pay raise, he still keeps his cushy number until he goes before the people again.

    I work with someone who is in Portugal, he’s coming back to two weeks unpaid leave that he will spend at home, he’s involved in some crucial projects, but the company has put everyone’s health ahead of that and him.

    Any teachers or guards at the dinner? Any public servants? No mention of them? No resignations there? How strange. We both know that you arent telling the full story there so maybe spare the public servant spiel please.


  • #2147
    Lolle06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Lolle06


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    And your guess would be wrong. Im not political at all. I find people who are, see the thing through a political prism only and it limits their view. They are all the same anyway.

    What i am is a realist.
    We are all breaking these rules. Chasing after others to resign for things you are guilty of yourself is gobsh*te behaviour. We are going to need a solid government to get out of this well. We are going to need people well up in Europe also. Chopping and changing in a temper isnt going to give us that.
    Im also experienced enough to know that this thing is probably a stitch up to some degree by someone else with some other interest, and that we are all swallowing the bait.

    Excuse me?! How dare you to tell me, that I broke the Covid restrictions since they were implemented!?!
    Speak for yourself, not other people!

    And this wasn’t a ´stitch up’! These boys and girls are just doing their ‘business as usual’ . Years ago it was the ´Galway tent’, now it is ´golf dinners´ no matter the timing! That’s the ‘ruling elite’ for you. If they had half a brain, they wouldn’t have been caught there in the first place.
    Their arrogance is their downfall.

    I am sure that the ppl of Ireland will learn the reason as to why this dinner was held then and there amidst a pandemic and restrictions.

    And from what I read from you here, you are not a realist - you are an apologist of the ‘Mayo FF royalty’ and other Irish politicians.


  • #2148
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Probably disallowed by his handlers.

    'Were you invited, Mr. Martin/Varadkar? would have been an obvious question and the answer could be checked.


    There is very little being said about Sean O'Rourke.
    Until a few weeeks he was one of RTE's most senior journalist.
    Was he not compromised but being part of this club?
    It is possible that he only became member after he retired?
    Surely RTE should not have allowed this... impartial journalism...


  • #2149
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    maestroamado wrote: »
    There is very little being said about Sean O'Rourke.
    Until a few weeeks he was one of RTE's most senior journalist.
    Was he not compromised but being part of this club?
    It is possible that he only became member after he retired?
    Surely RTE should not have allowed this... impartial journalism...

    Isn't he retired now? So I dont see how there could be any repercussions for him? Might have been different if he was still there.


  • #2150
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    If you were a realist your name would be MayoAreSh1tr


  • #2151
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    Any teachers or guards at the dinner? Any public servants? No mention of them? No resignations there? How strange. We both know that you arent telling the full story there so maybe spare the public servant spiel please.

    They didnt sit at a cabinet meeting agreeing on implementing those restrictions!


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  • #2152
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    Isn't he retired now? So I dont see how there could be any repercussions for him? Might have been different if he was still there.

    Although he is an extremely well respected journalist, he has done his name no favours. He was quite open that you might see him in a contracting capacity on RTE at some stage.

    As much as I like him as a broadcaster, I don't think I'd have the stomach for him on the airwaves in the near future.


  • #2153
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    This is challenging.

    Do you see any difference between somebody who is making the rules
     i.e. Dara Calleary breaking them (i.e. Dara Calleary breaking them by attending an indoor function with 81 people) and some ordinary gobsh1te who happens to walk within 1.5m of somebody.

    Would you see any difference between those 2 incidents atall atall

    I understand the difference, but i never stated that all rules are the same, so i dont see how that is relevant. I also understand that they dont ramp up the punishments for certain people just because they helped write the rule, in a civilised society. You seem to think that is ok. It isnt.

    My point is there were 81 people in the room, they havent all lost their jobs. Plenty more than him work in the public sector. This was the argument put forward but it is bs. We need to realise that to move forward in an objective manner.

    People are zooming in on calleary, probably because im from mayo, but that isnt my gripe. Ive never voted for the man.


  • #2154
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    TCDStudent1 wrote: »
    They didnt sit at a cabinet meeting agreeing on implementing those restrictions!

    So what?
    Do you think hogan, dc etc deliberately invited all these people and sat back laughing wildly afterwards?
    They are just people, the same as you and I. It is clear they didnt expect so many people to be at the thing and just got caught on the spot.


  • #2155
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    So what?

    So you think it is acceptable that a member of cabinet agrees to impose restrictions on the general public, and then ignores those same restrictions?

    I expect far higher standards of our elected representatives than that.


  • #2156
    Lolle06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Lolle06


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    So what?

    So what?
    That reason couldn’t be any clearer!

    Now I am thinking that you are just trolling...


  • #2157
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    I understand the difference, but i never stated that all rules are the same, so i dont see how that is relevant. I also understand that they dont ramp up the punishments for certain people just because they helped write the rule, in a civilised society. You seem to think that is ok. It isnt.

    My point is there were 81 people in the room, they havent all lost their jobsI] Plenty more than him work in the public sector. This was the argument put forward but it is bs. We need to realise that to move forward in an objective manner.

    People are zooming in on calleary, probably because im from mayo, but that isnt my gripe. Ive never voted for the man.

    Nobody lost their job...two people resigned from extra responsibilities they had,they are still sitting TD and senator respectively,so are still employed public servants


  • #2158
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    maestroamado wrote: »
    There is very little being said about Sean O'Rourke.
    Until a few weeeks he was one of RTE's most senior journalist.
    Was he not compromised but being part of this club?
    It is possible that he only became member after he retired?
    Surely RTE should not have allowed this... impartial journalism...

    He tweeted yesterday that he was completely in the wrong. Not a whole else that can be said as he’s retired.

    https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817100397457411?s=20

    https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817103182471169?s=20


    In an interview I heard with him shortly after his retirement he hinted that he would stay in work in some capacity, making one off programmes, nice handy nixers for decent money from his pals in RTÉ. Be interesting to see if this happens now, I’d say it will when the dust settles. As an aside In his interview he came across as a right egotistical arrogant prick. It was the first time I’d ever heard an interview with him which was about him. Used to like or have respect for him up until that interview. No surprise to me now that he was at that rubbing shoulders with his FG pals.


  • #2159
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    MayoAreMagic wrote: »
    So what?
    Do you think hogan, dc etc deliberately invited all these people and sat back laughing wildly afterwards?
    They are just people, the same as you and I. It is clear they didnt expect so many people to be at the thing and just got caught on the spot.

    Was there not a table plan published that accounted for 80+people?
    If so,they clearly were expecting more than 50 attendees


  • #2160
    eggy81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭eggy81


    boardise wrote: »
    Well said. It's understandable that there is much bottled up annoyance and frustration among the public which is being hypervented now . But openly sneering at everything government speakers say , trying to pick holes in their statements and spitting vile abuse at them puts us in a very bad place. It's the virus , not government , that has caused the acute problems that some are experiencing. The same can be seen happening in most other developed countries. there's no virus handbook and experts flounder and disagree.
    Hopefully -despite the efforts of the media to fuel the fire- people will calm down . Politicians come from our own communities. -they are not the devil incarnate. Government and people need to co-operate or we're sunk.

    This virus has proven a distraction from all the other stuff that was in complete chaos before it came along. Wait until this virus has ended and the realisation that the housing crisis, health crisis and all the public spending issue around the hospital coupled with an impending recession become the new reality. Id not want to be in government to deal with the next few years tbh.


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  • #2161
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    He tweeted yesterday that he was completely in the wrong. Not a whole else that can be said as he’s retired.

    https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817100397457411?s=20

    https://twitter.com/OrourkeseanSean/status/1296817103182471169?s=20


    In an interview I heard with him shortly after his retirement he hinted that he would stay in work in some capacity, making one off programmes, nice handy nixers for decent money from his pals in RTÉ. Be interesting to see if this happens now, I’d say it will when the dust settles. As an aside In his interview he came across as a right egotistical arrogant prick. It was the first time I’d ever heard an interview with him which was about him. Used to like or have respect for him up until that interview. No surprise to me now that he was at that rubbing shoulders with his FG pals.

    Isn't he married to a blue shirt?


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