Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

MayoAreMagic · 22-08-2020 11:43AM

elperello wrote: »

Your line of argument is getting into "we all partied" territory.

Before you ask I have broken no restrictions since this thing started. Often at great personal inconvenience and some expense.

I dont believe it is actually. We are trying to force people from their jobs for being guilty of things that a huge majority are guilty of, often repeatidly so. That is wrong, plain and simple. You can try to dress it up any way you like but it doesnt change the facts.

Congratulations, you are one of a handful of people who doesnt have to resign from their jobs. For the record, I dont think anyone has adhered strictly to every guideline every single day. Mainly because very often the actions of others can break them for you.

Cute Hoor · 22-08-2020 11:43AM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Either we all lose our jobs for breaking restrictions or the thing falls down. What part of that do you not understand?

It's not that difficult to understand for sure.
So, if I walk by somebody today only staying 1.5m away from them then I should resign from my job as a nuclear physicist at NASA, you would equate my breach with what your buddy Dara did, have I got that right

Gerry Hatrick · 22-08-2020 11:46AM

Since this virus was hoist upon us by China i have lost an extended family member to it (my wife couldn't attend her aunties funeral), lost a lot of money through my business being down 80%, cancelled going on holiday and lost every last cent because country was on green list and wanted to do the right thing, watched both my daughters lose months of valuable education and social contact with friends and had to sell my motorbike (the only thing keeping me sane the last while) because we need to pay the rent.

Now i don't know if this virus is going to get worse the next few months but i am reading that if very well may and i'll be honest im nervous about that. When you factor in what i think will be the coming hard Brexit we are in for a very rocky few months/years ahead and we need real leadership and not this useless crap we are seeing at present from FF and FG. For the love of christ can these lads not just knock their heads together and use some sense. Get back to the dail and let's work this out. What the hell are they doing on 6 weeks holiday anyway?

Just so exhausted with it all and yes i know it's not as bad as living in Syria or some African country suffering from drought and having a dickhead dictatorship in charge but these lads get well paid to do a job all we ask is they do it and not take the piss like they did at this event.

Rant over.

El Weirdo · 22-08-2020 11:46AM

Sorolla wrote: »

A lot of ordinary simple hardworking, salt of the earth country people are very upset that he is being made the scapegoat for this.

The only relevant adjective is the second one.

I'm from the country. I'm hard working. Before this ****, I had 3 jobs. 2 of them are gone, in part due to the restrictions this crowd signed off on.

**** Dara Calleary and his bull**** resignation. He still gets to sit on his fat 96k per year when I am starting to struggle to pay the bills.

Plumbthedepths · 22-08-2020 11:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On a law of averages there's bound to be people on here with the same level of judgement as our elite

Possibly, but we cannot know if they were responsible for drafting the restrictions we are all subject to. However we know several of the attendees at the Station House were responsible for the restrictions they deemed were not applicable to them .
Either we are all in this together or we're not.

Yurt2 · 22-08-2020 11:48AM

Sorolla wrote: »

His resignation was an honorable act.
It reminds me a little of Pope Benedict- he resigned to save the Catholic Church.

DC resigning will reinvigorate the FF party and come next election we will be in overall majority territory

Confirmed multi. Who's going to do a Scooby Doo reveal on this guy?

Cute Hoor · 22-08-2020 11:49AM

I'm beginning to thing Sorolla is fishing, and has a good catch, including myself

brooke 2 · 22-08-2020 11:50AM

Marty1983 wrote: »

Its actually sickening reading this stuff, i returned from abroad 12 days ago and have only left the house to go for a walk and these cowboys do whatever they want. Its like the old Beatles saying about the people in cheap seats just clap along while the rich/influential rattle their jewellery.

How was it ok for Paudge Connolly to head to Spain to play golf?? How many other Irish people are going against best advice and doing this? Were no questions asked at the airport when Connolly was hauling his golf clubs on board?? 'Essential travel' to Spain, a country which now has Europe's fastest rising caseload.....are you kidding me??? :mad:

To make matters worse, he cavalierly returns home and heads over to Clifden without observing any rules of quarantine!! :mad: Surely, at least, he should be tested for Covid as well as all who attended and worked in the Station House, Clifden, on the now infamous occasion.

Cal4567 · 22-08-2020 11:50AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Man alive. Is that really how FF people think?

I'm afraid that it is. Probably still has a photo of Dev never mind Haughey on his bedside locker.

Bye bye FF. Everything has a shelf life. FF got to almost 100 years. I'll ask again. When FF breaks up, who will get your vote? FG or will you row in with SF. One or the other surely?

ExMachina1000 · 22-08-2020 11:51AM

Leo varadkar will end up running the country in a sort of Vladimir Putin type never ending role.

All he has to say is :Sure look what happens every time the other party get in

A never ending shīt show

brooke 2 · 22-08-2020 11:53AM

smurgen wrote: »

Dude could have lead to the deaths of many people.

I'm genuinely shocked that a lot more is not being made about this guy's golfing trip to Spain.

Yurt2 · 22-08-2020 11:54AM

Cal4567 wrote: »

I'm afraid that it is. Probably still has a photo of Dev never mind Haughey on his bedside locker.

Bye bye FF. Everything has a shelf life. FF got to almost 100 years. I'll ask again. When FF breaks up, who will get your vote? FG or will you row in with SF. One or the other surely?

I'd say the average age of FF voters is north of 60. The party is just a logo at this stage. More or less, we understand what every other party on the ticket are about love them or hate them. FF are just a husk of a political movement with a residual membership that hitched their wagon to the party in better times. I honestly can't put my finger on what the party's priorities are.

brooke 2 · 22-08-2020 11:55AM

golfball37 wrote: »

It should also be noted if this virus is as serious as we are led to believe these leaders put the lives of the staff, other guests and and their families lives at risk.

+100!

eggy81 · 22-08-2020 11:56AM

micks_address wrote: »

What do you hope to achieve by hounding them? Government resign and we have an election?

An improvement in standards goinh forward maybe? To let them know that this **** won't be tolerated anymore.

Or I suppise we could say nothing about any of this sort of behaviour and continue to let any and all politicians take the complete piss out of the people paying them their ridiculous salaries.

lawrencesummers · 22-08-2020 11:56AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Since this virus was hoist upon us by China i have lost an extended family member to it (my wife couldn't attend her aunties funeral), lost a lot of money through my business being down 80%, cancelled going on holiday and lost every last cent because country was on green list and wanted to do the right thing, watched both my daughters lose months of valuable education and social contact with friends and had to sell my motorbike (the only thing keeping me sane the last while) because we need to pay the rent.

Now i don't know if this virus is going to get worse the next few months but i am reading that if very well may and i'll be honest im nervous about that. When you factor in what i think will be the coming hard Brexit we are in for a very rocky few months/years ahead and we need real leadership and not this useless crap we are seeing at present from FF and FG. For the love of christ can these lads not just knock their heads together and use some sense. Get back to the dail and let's work this out. What the hell are they doing on 6 weeks holiday anyway?

Just so exhausted with it all and yes i know it's not as bad as living in Syria or some African country suffering from drought and having a dickhead dictatorship in charge but these lads get well paid to do a job all we ask is they do it and not take the piss like they did at this event.

Rant over.

I got as far as China.

mr_edge_to_you · 22-08-2020 11:56AM

Any one else wonder if there’s any further bombshells to come in the Sunday papers?

Gods Gift · 22-08-2020 11:58AM

It’s as much to do with fg as it is ff.
the biggest fish there was the hulk hogan. Fg.

brooke 2 · 22-08-2020 11:59AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Exactly

That's the question media should be asking

They are all fat old guys too, the at risk group

Their entitlement renders them immune, don't you know?? :rolleyes:

gifted · 22-08-2020 12:00PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

It’s as much to do with fg as it is ff.
the biggest fish there was hogan. Fg.

Not a hope will Hogan fall.....that man was dipped in Teflon when he was born....nothing sticks to him.....I don't think he's losing much sleep over this.

MayoAreMagic · 22-08-2020 12:01PM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

It's not that difficult to understand for sure.
So, if I walk by somebody today only staying 1.5m away from them then I should resign from my job as a nuclear physicist at NASA, you would equate my breach with what your buddy Dara did, have I got that right

Well no, because for starters they are guilty of two different acts. However, if your buddy the physicist had a fine big pension and his sizeable income was public knowledge, how would people react to him speaking at the dinner? It cant be denied that this is a factor in peoples thinking, but it shouldnt be.

There should be proper sanctions for specific guideline breaks, relevant to what you have done. That should apply for everyone the same way, like any other law. The fact that this isnt in place is part of the problem. Nobody is looking for those who were running the establishment the dinner was in, who would have been in charge of numbers, to resign. Surely both should have to go?

Plumbthedepths · 22-08-2020 12:01PM

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Any one else wonder if there’s any further bombshells to come in the Sunday papers?

I would be somewhat disappointed if there isn't.

seligehgit · 22-08-2020 12:06PM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

I'm beginning to thing Sorolla is fishing, and has a good catch, including myself

He/she hooked me too!:D

Cal4567 · 22-08-2020 12:06PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

While the dinner proved to be a disaster, i can also see how someone could arrive expecting the thing to be run properly by the hotel. If they are a speaker at the thing, it makes it very awkward. It still shouldnt have happened, but I dont think it is as bad as it is being made out to be.
More importantly, we need structure in our government at present. Wanting everyone to be sacked or resign because they broke a restriction is a bit like the whole defund the police stuff in america. It is far too reactionary and in the greater scheme of things, doesnt help our cause. To my mind, there isnt a single person in the country who themselves hasnt broken a restriction at some point. Im not justifying their actions, but I think we need a bit of perspective also. Can anyone honestly say they havent broken a restriction?

This sort of deflection makes me madder than the dinner itself. I guess you are another loyal Fianna Fail soldier. Looking for crumbs now.

Danzy · 22-08-2020 12:08PM

God but the spin is on.

MayoAreMagic · 22-08-2020 12:09PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No amount of your nonsensical hypothetical gibberish will change peoples mind that this was reckless, unnecessary and in clear contravention of the guidelines.

I never said it wasnt though. They are all as guilty as each other.
So, why are we only bothered about the politicians and people with a bit of clout? That kind of undermines all this public awareness spiel that people are peddling. If they should lose their jobs in your eyes, then everyone in the room should also. The premises should probably lose its licence, right?

smelly sock · 22-08-2020 12:11PM

How come Meehole couldnt exoress an opinion on the judiciary but FF members can go off and play golf with them and drink pints.

s1ippy · 22-08-2020 12:15PM

What p!ssed me off a great deal yesterday was the insincerity with which RTE handled the issue. Further clarified in my mind that they're an absolute waste of oxygen. Luckily when my generation are in their fifties they will undoubtedly have been scrapped due to non-payment of the licence fee.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/share/radio1/11226439

"Don't upset the establishment, we're part of it" was the vibe. That drive time bint tried to make it about the Sinn Féin funeral and then tried to make the Councillor say he was against golf; when he wouldn't she just angrily cut him off as though it was something Sinn Féin had done wrong. I actually saw a few RTÉ pricks trying to shoehorn the Sinn féin Funeral in. The interview with MM was done by somebody I can only assume is the new junior infant teacher in the school he's principal of.

Newstalk covered it well, guess their vested interests don't require as much ass licking. Sarah O'Rourke should feck off back to them and get free reign to go quietly ballistic in the subtle bit deadly way this time around.

If the state media was worth the money, the Dáil would already have be convened on Friday to deal with this. In general, the politicians would have reasonable public sector salaries. Backhanders, deals and schmoozing would be absolutely scrutinised beyond belief to the extent that it would just not be worth it for the cunts. People in the media (see Sean Ó Rourke, Claire Byrne etc) are too closely connected to the establishment, that's what hits too close to home for RTE. Young people can see that and aren't going to be conned into paying for an elite load of bollocks.

brooke 2 · 22-08-2020 12:15PM

appledrop wrote: »

I tell you what would be good. If MM turned around + said everyone at the event needed to get a Covid test. Then they would know what's its like for Factory Workers etc.

They all seem to think only effects the plebs not them. Imagine if one of them tested positive? Id say good chance as coming from all different parts of country + obviously don't care about Covid rules.

'Spain now has Europe's fastest rising caseload, with 142 positive cases per 100,000 inhabitants over the past two weeks. By the time the state of emergency ended on June 21st, Spain was registering 100 to 150 cases per day. That number has risen to more than 3,000.'

One of the Clifden golf dinner attendees had only just returned from a golfing trip to Spain, did not self quarantine for the required two weeks but joined 80+ people in a crowded hotel last Wednesday night. If I were anywhere near Paudge Connolly, who was the feckless selfish individual who could have placed many people in danger of contracting the virus, I think I would be looking for a test!!

lawrencesummers · 22-08-2020 12:17PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I never said it wasnt though. They are all as guilty as each other.
So, why are we only bothered about the politicians and people with a bit of clout? That kind of undermines all this public awareness spiel that people are peddling. If they should lose their jobs in your eyes, then everyone in the room should also. The premises should probably lose its licence, right?

It should be prosecuted in line with the other 150 odd places that are also being held to account.

As for others losing their jobs, that’s up to their employers, but public representatives are paid by the public and their behaviour can correctly be judged by the public, let’s not get carried away either, the agri lad has only lost a pay raise, he still keeps his cushy number until he goes before the people again.

I work with someone who is in Portugal, he’s coming back to two weeks unpaid leave that he will spend at home, he’s involved in some crucial projects, but the company has put everyone’s health ahead of that and him.

the purple tin · 22-08-2020 12:17PM

The party troops are rallying.
Get online and
-control the narrative
-drag the discussion off topic
-try to twist it somehow, make the public think they are to blame too
-deify our tireless, noble and hard-working politicians
-limit the damage, manage fallout

FF and FG fanboys/girls assemble!

Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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