Netflix sexualising children.

Errashareesh · 21-08-2020 12:22AM

Stock responses like "don't watch it", "forward a complaint", "Were you as outraged about [insert other thing]?" ("outraged" is a term used to discredit btw - in numerous contexts) - these could be said about absolutely anything. They are at odds with the spirit of the place - a discussion forum. They're from people who think they're SO openminded but they're the opposite. They're not thinking it through at all - just ready with a pot shot (Mini Pops? I'd say most people here weren't even born when they were a thing).

So it seems it's the promotion of the programme - "sexy" clothing (for pre teens), reference to twerking, rather than the programme itself. Of course this is wildly dodgy - it won't make anyone look like a crazy bible thumper to acknowledge it. To downplay it is weird - I don't think it means someone is a paedo. I do think however that it makes them seem like slaves to not wanting to look like prudes.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2020 12:22AM

RWCNT wrote: »

If the film does include 11 year olds twerking then it's absolutely sexualising kids and I'm dead against it. None of that in the trailer though, just seemed like regular dancing. I did it myself as a kid in stage school.

How the poster and the final line of that bio got approved is baffling. Did whoever wrote the bio not know what "twerking" means? Were they deliberately trying to provoke outrage? Very strange stuff.

You haven't seen the whole trailer then.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2020 12:27AM

AllForIt wrote: »

On the one had it seems to something about feminism, on the other something about repressive cultures, and on another, that somehow it's about misogyny and racism.

The whole thing is racist and anti woman. They are trying to create a 'liberal' defense and trying it put it as ...this is conservatives up against us.

Its crap.

You cannot be pro woman and think this is ok.

I know you can say 'what were they thinking?'. They are smart people though. You would have to be WILLFULLY blind not to see this.

I mean we have had 15 yr old /16 yr old girls sexualized on catwalks and look what was happening behind the scenes there.

This needs to be pulled ...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-08-2020 12:28AM

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

I have made a complaint, I don't have a subscription anymore.
You seem to be upset..why?

Then get on twitter and start a cancel culture campaign. It's what the cool kids are doing.

Bobblehats · 21-08-2020 12:45AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Then get on twitter and start a cancel culture campaign. It's what the cool kids are doing.

The cool kids are probably twerking and gyrating to the latest Cardi B video. I wouldn’t let my children near the youth discos nowadays, it’s all rot. Might even have to nip it early and pull them from the damn crèche

s1ippy · 21-08-2020 12:52AM

What is the actual purpose of this show? Is it aimed at 11 year olds? It doesn't appear to get into any of the nuance of why women do that kind of dance. It's self-expression, fine, but when you are doing something very sexy and provokative and you don't even know that you're probably making some creep very aroused, that's exploitation. If the show is encouraging 11 year olds to do this then it's extremely damaging and I would like to know who made it and to what end. You can break the shackles of oppression without making it about sexualising your prepubescent body. What a gross thing to type.

Junkyard Tom · 21-08-2020 12:56AM

s1ippy wrote: »

What is the actual purpose of this show?

Profit.

RWCNT · 21-08-2020 12:59AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You haven't seen the whole trailer then.

Go on then, what did I miss?

Rubberchikken · 21-08-2020 01:08AM

I watched the trailer out if curiosity and while I wouldn't watch the show, if we're to worry about every weirdo getting off on a young body then maybe we should cancel nappy ads etc.

Kids are dancing like this now and I've seen way younger than 11 gyrating away on public streets.
If parents allow kids to watch the quality of videos out today then they only have themselves to blame for girls thinking that dressing In such a way and dancing like that is acceptable.

Bear in mind kids are copying what they see adults doing. And certain adults will only see what they choose to see.

Psychiatric Patrick · 21-08-2020 01:23AM

s1ippy wrote: »

What is the actual purpose of this show? Is it aimed at 11 year olds? It doesn't appear to get into any of the nuance of why women do that kind of dance. It's self-expression, fine, but when you are doing something very sexy and provokative and you don't even know that you're probably making some creep very aroused, that's exploitation. If the show is encouraging 11 year olds to do this then it's extremely damaging and I would like to know who made it and to what end. You can break the shackles of oppression without making it about sexualising your prepubescent body. What a gross thing to type.

I did some very quick googling here.

The woman who wrote and directed the movie has criticised the Netflix marketing. She agrees it it did sexualise the cast and that Netflix don't seem to understand what the movie is about.

I believe the purpose of the the movie is too speak out against young girls being pushed into "growing up" by the world around them and to let them be kids.

However, those involved seem oblivious to the fact that making this drama is actually sexualising those girls by putting them in the movie.

Canis Lupus · 21-08-2020 01:26AM

This goes further than twerking. Look at this. Young girls in disgraceful poses for all the pedos to be watching. Now let me just say that I haven't actually looked into what is going on in this photo just that I see young women with makeup and short skirts and they're legs in the air and frankly I can't see how this should be allowed.

AllForIt · 21-08-2020 01:34AM

Errashareesh wrote: »

Stock responses like "don't watch it", "forward a complaint", "Were you as outraged about [insert other thing]?" ("outraged" is a term used to discredit btw - in numerous contexts) - these could be said about absolutely anything. They are at odds with the spirit of the place - a discussion forum.

Indeed. That was poster *ancapailldorcha* that started that craic off. Moderator of the politics forum, of all forums, if you please.

The irony, and a rather worrying one for a discussion forum at that. Then again, I'm not in the slightest bit surprised.

They're from people who think they're SO openminded but they're the opposite. They're not thinking it through at all - just ready with a pot shot (Mini Pops? I'd say most people here weren't even born when they were a thing).

What an excellent point. People who are so 'right-on', but only seem to be 'right-on' about the things they specifically are wrapped up in. Someone else has a right-on point they never thought of, and they sneer at it.

So it seems it's the promotion of the programme - "sexy" clothing (for pre teens), reference to twerking, rather than the programme itself. Of course this is wildly dodgy - it won't make anyone look like a crazy bible thumper to acknowledge it. To downplay it is weird - I don't think it means someone is a paedo. I do think however that it makes them seem like slaves to not wanting to look like prudes.

I think in respect of this discussion forum, it's more a case of some posters having a feeling of superiority over others. If they didn't have a problem with it, then those that do are somehow inferior. I can't abide those kinds of people.

Psychiatric Patrick · 21-08-2020 01:36AM

I think the Netflix chiefs need to send some staff for training and therapy but then again those Netflix chiefs signed another multi-million dollar deal with Adam Sandler - which as it turns out is a good business deal because people are watching that muck.

So really no one but me has the right to judge anyone :rolleyes:

ILoveYourVibes · 21-08-2020 01:40AM

Its strange when adults seem to think the bodies of children are their property to act out their thoughts wishes desires or story lines.

They are treating them as dolls.

s1ippy · 21-08-2020 01:45AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

This goes further than twerking. Look at this. Young girls in disgraceful poses for all the pedos to be watching. Now let me just say that I haven't actually looked into what is going on in this photo just that I see young women with makeup and short skirts and they're legs in the air and frankly I can't see how this should be allowed.

I did the sound engineering for a play last year and there was one transition scene in it where out of nowhere a load of thirteen year old start flinging their legs into the air like that. I never adjusted to it if I'm being honest, we did Irish dancing when I was their age and there definitely wasn't as much underwear shown. I thought it was completely vulgar and unnecessary. Totally irrelevant to the rest of the play as well.

Psychiatric Patrick · 21-08-2020 01:54AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

This goes further than twerking. Look at this. Young girls in disgraceful poses for all the pedos to be watching. Now let me just say that I haven't actually looked into what is going on in this photo just that I see young women with makeup and short skirts and they're legs in the air and frankly I can't see how this should be allowed.

I don't know if your are genuine or having a laugh but the Irish dancing is exactly the same as that pagent muck.

My sister's used to to do it. I don't know what it was like back in the 70s but I went to a competition that two of my nieces in maybe 15 years ago. It was a horror show.

Fake tans, wigs, layers make up and the vicious comments from mothers to the kids. And the costumes!!!

I had my hands over my eyes nearly the whole time but was afraid to leave. My girlfriend at the time was with me and she was horrified through the whole thing - and she ha been a stripper when going to university.

Psychiatric Patrick · 21-08-2020 02:09AM

s1ippy wrote: »

I did the sound engineering for a play last year and there was one transition scene in it where out of nowhere a load of thirteen year old start flinging their legs into the air like that. I never adjusted to it if I'm being honest, we did Irish dancing when I was their age and there definitely wasn't as much underwear shown. I thought it was completely vulgar and unnecessary. Totally irrelevant to the rest of the play as well.

Was that in Limerick by any chance?

I have friend down there. Her little girl was in a local singing and dancing club. They did a show that had dance like that and met friend said it was awful. She took the kid out of the show at the club straight away.

s1ippy · 21-08-2020 02:15AM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Was that in Limerick by any chance?

I have friend down there. Her little girl was in a local singing and dancing club. They did a show that had dance like that and met friend said it was awful. She took the kid out of the show at the club straight away.

Yeah, we did a run in a couple of different counties... Be fairly funny if it was the same one. There's an old man talking about his job one second and then suddenly... FLEADH

Chris_Heilong · 21-08-2020 03:14AM

Oh Netflix, This is disgusting and the people defending it all seem to be the same ultra "progressives" types, should we all be adding a P to the end of LGBT next? People are complaining and rightly so.

Psychiatric Patrick · 21-08-2020 03:50AM

When I google Netflix it is all about the complaints about this movie.

I wonder if Netflix will delay or cancel the release?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-08-2020 07:56AM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I don't know if your are genuine or having a laugh but the Irish dancing is exactly the same as that pagent muck.

My sister's used to to do it. I don't know what it was like back in the 70s but I went to a competition that two of my nieces in maybe 15 years ago. It was a horror show.

Fake tans, wigs, layers make up and the vicious comments from mothers to the kids. And the costumes!!!

I had my hands over my eyes nearly the whole time but was afraid to leave. My girlfriend at the time was with me and she was horrified through the whole thing - and she ha been a stripper when going to university.

This is what I got from the comparison too - it's about the superficiality of it. Which is not the same as sexualisation, I know, but it's getting there.

Psychiatric Patrick · 21-08-2020 08:12AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

This is what I got from the comparison too - it's about the superficiality of it. Which is not the same as sexualisation, I know, but it's getting there.

Yes I know that at the time I would not have described it as sexualisation. I don't actually have a word for it

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-08-2020 08:19AM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Yes I know that at the time I would not have described it as sexualisation. I don't actually have a word for it

I'd imagine there is no word for a fetish of Irish dancing.

lawred2 · 21-08-2020 08:21AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Weve reached the point where people are more comfortable excusing paedophelia and the sexualisation of children than agreeing with anyone they presume is ‘right wing’

Huh?

Eric Cartman · 21-08-2020 08:21AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/netflix/status/1296486375211053057

Even netflix themselves realise the artwork for it was wrong , proving the “i dont see the issue” crowd would rather allow the sexualisation of children than agree with people in the right political aisle.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-08-2020 08:31AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Weve reached the point where people are more comfortable excusing paedophelia and the sexualisation of children than agreeing with anyone they presume is ‘right wing’

That, Eric, is because you place a massive amounf of weight on something being either left-wing or right-wing in the first place.

You do realise it's possibile to be repulsed by pedophilia AND be left wing, right?

Eric Cartman · 21-08-2020 08:35AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That, Eric, is because you place a massive amounf of weight on something being either left-wing or right-wing in the first place.

You do realise it's possibile to be repulsed by pedophilia AND be left wing, right?

That seems to be a harder and harder position to take as time goes on. Calling out the abuse of children from child drag queens, trans kids to this sickness is all coming from the right on here and in general society.

Its one of those things that should have been A-political like abortion , but calling out child sex abuse is now becoming a firmly right wing view.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-08-2020 08:40AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

That seems to be a harder and harder position to take as time goes on. Calling out the abuse of children from child drag queens, trans kids to this sickness is all coming from the right on here and in general society.

Its one of those things that should have been A-political like abortion , but calling out child sex abuse is now becoming a firmly right wing view.

Therein lies your problem:

Pro trans kids / kids in drag = pedophila
Pro trans kids / kids in drag = left wing
Therefore, in your mind: pro trans kids / kids in drag = pedophila.

Even though nothing in the trailer hints at either transgenderism or transvestitism or left/right poitics (liberal/conservative, yes; but that's not the same thing)
And yet we're talking left/right wing and pedophilia for some reason.

Psychiatric Patrick · 21-08-2020 08:44AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

That seems to be a harder and harder position to take as time goes on. Calling out the abuse of children from child drag queens, trans kids to this sickness is all coming from the right on here and in general society.

Its one of those things that should have been A-political like abortion , but calling out child sex abuse is now becoming a firmly right wing view.

I'm neither left wing or right wing.

Is there a name for that?

Podge_irl · 21-08-2020 08:45AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/netflix/status/1296486375211053057

Even netflix themselves realise the artwork for it was wrong , proving the “i dont see the issue” crowd would rather allow the sexualisation of children than agree with people in the right political aisle.

Pretty much no one has defended the artwork - they have defended the movie based on reports, reviews, trailers and interviews. Clearly some arseholes at Netflix US have misinterpreted the movie in a pretty mind boggling way.

The movie is exploring a topic that already exists, and is pretty much entirely the fault of the sexualisation and demeaning of women that adults pretty happily engage in. It is meant to provide a window into one of the consequences of those actions. It is supposed to make you uncomfortable and, hopefully, reflect on what is causing it.

You may as well complain about Beasts of No Nation being responsible for child soldiers.

Netflix sexualising children.

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