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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #9182
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,563 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    A graph for 2020

    That is very funny


  • #9183
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strazdas wrote: »
    They didn't say where but pointed out it was among staff members working together, not the customers.

    A cluster could also be 3 people who live together or went to the same party who happen to work in Tesco.


  • #9184
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see Ireland has donated the contact tracing app to the Linux Foundation. Good thing to do. Maybe some poorer countries that haven't developed an app can modify it and use it for themselves.


  • #9185
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    I mentioned yesterday about this builder on Reddit Ireland saying worksites could be a big problem going forward

    I thought they are working in pods so as to limit contamination between teams. Of course they should socially distance and protect themselves but perhaps it is not necessarily the wrong approach.


  • #9186
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,328 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    They need to give us context, this could be a large newsagents in Ballybackofmyhole with zero space or a Superstore.

    Context is something that has been lacking throughout the whole pandemic. As they say, statistics can be used to make or prove whatever point you're trying to make.


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  • #9187
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A cluster could also be 3 people who live together or went to the same party who happen to work in Tesco.
    It is also a convenient addition to the current public health message on mask wearing seeing as we do view such locations as being low risk.


  • #9188
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    Context is something that has been lacking throughout the whole pandemic. As they say, statistics can be used to make or prove whatever point you're trying to make.
    This is probably true with very small clusters or where such data might make people identifiable, but I think they have made a lot of effort to produce such details otherwise.


  • #9189
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    If like last week we see 30 or so cases tomorrow I think it’s deliberate. If they know results for the full weekend then why not give them on the Monday instead of waiting a day. It makes no odds. It is bull that there’s a lag. There shouldn’t be at this stage.

    But why?


  • #9190
    Supercell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    How is Ireland going to get the vaccine?, are we dependant on dispersal by the EU?- if so I'd imagine we must be fairly low on the pecking order given our size as it seems to be everyman for himself at the moment.
    With news that the US,Britain Russia and China are already negotiating supply deals in advance of approval, what are our own government doing to ensure supply once these vaccines become available on the market?
    Anyone have any idea?, haven't seen anything in the Irish media about this.
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/


  • #9191
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Supercell wrote: »
    How is Ireland going to get the vaccine?, are we dependant on dispersal by the EU?- if so I'd imagine we must be fairly low on the pecking order given our size as it seems to be everyman for himself at the moment.
    With news that the US,Britain Russia and China are already negotiating supply deals in advance of approval, what are our own government doing to ensure supply once these vaccines become available on the market?
    It'll be through the EU, up to 450m doses.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0612/1147093-coronavirus-vaccines-eu/

    We can't assume initial widespread availability, even when it emerges. Priority groups are more likely to get it first.


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  • #9192
    Supercell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It'll be through the EU, up to 450m doses.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0612/1147093-coronavirus-vaccines-eu/

    We can't assume initial widespread availability, even when it emerges. Priority groups are more likely to get it first.

    Thanks, that's very reassuring.
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/


  • #9193
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    I thought they are working in pods so as to limit contamination between teams. Of course they should socially distance and protect themselves but perhaps it is not necessarily the wrong approach.

    They are working in pods,6 person's of one pod tested positive, the other 14 were close contacts.
    Management at Paul construction are not happy with the situation as on of the affected employees was a close contact of a confirmed contact and did not disclose it .
    Sunday and yesterday all staff at the site were required to be tested by management in with the HSE.
    If you didn't take the test your employment was terminated.
    I expect this is why Dr Glynn may expect higher numbers to be seen today.
    If proper guidance was followed by the rest of the staff there should not be a problem.
    Paul construction has one of the best health and safety in construction circles.


  • #9194
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It'll be through the EU, up to 450m doses.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0612/1147093-coronavirus-vaccines-eu/
    Just three days after that report the EU did make a deal with Astra Zeneca for the Oxford vaccine.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-france/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-to-be-shared-across-europe-says-france-idUSKBN23M15T

    "A deal between AstraZeneca and four European countries for COVID-19 vaccines involves doses being shared by European Union members on a pro rata basis based on population"

    Hopefully they'll also pre-purchase the J&J and Pfizer vaccines, those look to me the most promising.


  • #9195
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    hmmm wrote: »
    Just three days after that report the EU did make a deal with Astra Zeneca for the Oxford vaccine.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-france/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-to-be-shared-across-europe-says-france-idUSKBN23M15T

    "A deal between AstraZeneca and four European countries for COVID-19 vaccines involves doses being shared by European Union members on a pro rata basis based on population"

    Hopefully they'll also pre-purchase the J&J and Pfizer vaccines, those look to me the most promising.

    Will there be a case that countries have to do deals with multiple 'vaccines' only to have to choose one in the future if one becomes 'the one'? Suppose that works for the companies putting money into the trials now, covers risk.


  • #9196
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Will there be a case that countries have to do deals with multiple 'vaccines' only to have to choose one in the future if one becomes 'the one'? Suppose that works for the companies putting money into the trials now, covers risk.

    That's would be terrible for the companies, they are mass producing the vaccines now.


  • #9197
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A cluster could also be 3 people who live together or went to the same party who happen to work in Tesco.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is also a convenient addition to the current public health message on mask wearing seeing as we do view such locations as being low risk.


    It doesn't help when their message comes across as being ever so slightly economical with the detail.

    If Dr Glynn can say that "We are now seeing outbreaks of the virus in a range of work settings, including in construction, in fast food outlets and in supermarkets", we should be given some context if they have it. If 2 people caught it anywhere, that happen to work in fast food, it might be nothing. If 4 people caught it in the same fast food joint of which 2 worked there and 2 eat there, then it's something. If 3 people in the supermarket caught it and all went to the pub last Friday, that's something too. If they don't know yet then maybe said places aren't the source, hence above poster mentioning the party scenario.


  • #9198
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Boggles wrote: »
    That's would be terrible for the companies, they are mass producing the vaccines now.

    I agree. Hence I presume they have to get paid in advance by countries and are covered. Or perhaps it's part of their normal strategy - take the risk and hopefully reap the gains?


  • #9199
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Supercell wrote: »
    How is Ireland going to get the vaccine?, are we dependant on dispersal by the EU?- if so I'd imagine we must be fairly low on the pecking order given our size as it seems to be everyman for himself at the moment.
    With news that the US,Britain Russia and China are already negotiating supply deals in advance of approval, what are our own government doing to ensure supply once these vaccines become available on the market?
    Anyone have any idea?, haven't seen anything in the Irish media about this.

    I don't know. There would be enough vaccine for everyone. I don't know how governments are going to plan who gets it.

    The most vulnerable will be pushed but aren't we all vulnerable to the virus, well those of use who haven't have the virus.

    I was thinking about this I think rolling it out to adults between the ages of 18/20 to 65/68 years would be the best. Because younger adults would generally move about more. It will be the working group of the population. Prevent them from getting the virus and preventing long term damage from the virus.

    I really don't know how governments are going to plan it.


  • #9200
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    I know I’m going to sound like a crazy anti vaccine person and I really am not but I don’t think I’d agree to be part of the first wave people getting this vaccine. Considering the swine flu vaccine was rushed and caused narcolepsy and other weird side effects, I’ll give it a miss until a lot of other people have had it. This virus won’t pose a threat to me if I get it but I could certainly do without narcolepsy in my life.


  • #9201
    Juwwi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭Juwwi


    Healthcare workers ,over 60's , people with underlining conditions that are on the list would more than likely be first in line for the vaccine , then the rest last in the que .


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  • #9202
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,857 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I know I’m going to sound like a crazy anti vaccine person and I really am not but I don’t think I’d agree to be part of the first wave people getting this vaccine. Considering the swine flu vaccine was rushed and caused narcolepsy and other weird side effects, I’ll give it a miss until a lot of other people have had it. This virus won’t pose a threat to me if I get it but I could certainly do without narcolepsy in my life.

    I’ll be at the front of the queue and i’ll take two jabs if they give it


  • #9203
    redmgar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭redmgar


    For any who thinks that numbers are being manipulated to appear larger, what reason would the government do this?


  • #9204
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Nursing unions on RTE complaining that staff might not be reporting symptoms of Covid-19 due to not being paid if self isolating

    Hmmm that might explain the very high rates of cases amongst health care workers


  • #9205
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,436 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Supercell wrote: »
    How is Ireland going to get the vaccine?, are we dependant on dispersal by the EU?- if so I'd imagine we must be fairly low on the pecking order given our size as it seems to be everyman for himself at the moment.

    That's not how the EU works.


  • #9206
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Nursing unions on RTE complaining that staff might not be reporting symptoms of Covid-19 due to not being paid if self isolating

    Hmmm that might explain the very high rates of cases amongst health care workers

    They are being paid if they are off just not being paid their premiums = weekend rates, night rates etc. Amounts to a fair amount over a month. But I really doubt staff are coming into work if they have symptoms.


  • #9207
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I’ll be at the front of the queue and i’ll take two jabs if they give it

    I’ll let you be the guinea pig so :p


  • #9208
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,432 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see Ireland has donated the contact tracing app to the Linux Foundation. Good thing to do. Maybe some poorer countries that haven't developed an app can modify it and use it for themselves.

    Good to see in fairness. Maybe could trade it to UK for some vaccines..


  • #9209
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    stargazer 68 wrote: »
    They are being paid if they are off just not being paid their premiums = weekend rates, night rates etc. Amounts to a fair amount over a month. But I really doubt staff are coming into work if they have symptoms.

    Ah OK thanks

    Prob picked that up wrong


  • #9210
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,432 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Nursing unions on RTE complaining that staff might not be reporting symptoms of Covid-19 due to not being paid if self isolating

    Hmmm that might explain the very high rates of cases amongst health care workers

    Maybe state needs to incentivise people to stay off work by paying full salary for 14 days. Better that than people potentially infecting other healthcare workers and patients.


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  • #9211
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Maybe state needs to incentivise people to stay off work by paying full salary for 14 days. Better that than people potentially infecting other healthcare workers and patients.

    They are being paid their basic just not their premiums. This is extra they get for working weekends and nights. If you are off sick or on Al/PL you don't get these premiums normally. The HSE made the decision back in March that any staff on Covid leave - no matter how long for - would not be paid the premiums.

    Can't have staff who are off for 3-4 months being paid extra for hours that aren't worked. And yes there are staff off since March with underlying conditions. There are also staff gone out with 'symptoms' several times since March and had negative swabs. Has to be a line somewhere IMO.


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