Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

podgeandrodge · 20-07-2020 03:33PM

wowzer wrote: »

Not having a go at anyone at all but the pub thing has been done to death already in this thread and there are two designated threads for pubs, can we leave it out of here please.

I'll be sure to keep that in mind wowzer, for a second I had forgotten that I couldn't talk about whatever covid related thing I wanted on here. Though I imagine most of the whole thread is repeating the various elements of covid conversation, it being a general thread on the subject.

Thanks for not thread banning me though, given your new mod status

expectationlost · 20-07-2020 03:35PM

so the question again is how long will the vaccine take

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-07-2020 03:36PM

seamus wrote: »

Some of the numbers should give us cause for concern, but we should also take solace that our aggressive testing levels will make it very hard to lose control again.

Exactly this.

We are nowhere near the situation in March due to our testing and tracing regime. I am fully convinced that we will never see the April numbers of patients in ICU and hospitals again for that very reason.

Care homes are also in a much better place too. That along with superb progress on treatments deaths will be kept down too.

We will see spikes for sure but i would be confident that as a country we will do everything to ensure the second wave is suppressed. Masks and SD will play a huge roll.

20-07-2020 03:36PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I don’t know much about Pharma and how it works . If one company or Uni find a vaccine that works do they sell the “recipe “ to other companys then ?

Usually they will hold a patent on the new "recipe" which expires after a certain period In this instance the pace to get to market will be two quick to allow the patent process to be completed. The likelihood is that they will come to a licencing deal with other manufacturers where they don't have capacity. It is also likely the governments will direct companies to do this if there are capacity issues.

owlbethere · 20-07-2020 03:38PM

It's a pack of sh1t for that Limerick pub owner. He was ll ready to go and open for today.

I mean like there's no controls at the airports and out government os inviting disease in. At least put some controls at the airport in place.

Is it true some Irish people are going away on holidays to Spain by bypassing Dublin and skipping the quarantine element? Apparently people are driving up north and flying from Belfast. I mean like we don't even have proper quarantine measures in place. People are asked to go and self isolate for 2 weeks.

timsey tiger · 20-07-2020 03:40PM

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

Positive but a long way to go.

That's a sweeping statement regarding being on track by the end of the year. You don't know how long each trial phase will take.

I'd expect paired back to absolute bare bones, remember each day costs thousands of lives.

bb1234567 · 20-07-2020 03:43PM

Johnny7136 wrote: »

I think usually we wait a year to compare excess deaths. There now going into minus figures on previous years because a lot of people that died may have died anyway this year. They may we'll balance out over the year.

And is it right what's happening in Melbourne. Not to me it's not

I still don't know what you mean, excess death in the UK for 2020 are still tens of thousands above average. Are you seriously putting that statement into question? They are not going into minus figures, that makes absolutely not an iota of sense. 60,000+ deaths will not balance out, I can assure you of that.

Whether I think it's right or not is irrelevant as I was simply pointing out the situation in Melbourne is a counter to your belief that 'no way would it(lockdown) happen again based on the figures we now know'. Youre wrong, many many countries and their citizens have made it clear that they are more than willing to enter lockdown for a second time based on the figures we now know. You are more than alone in your belief(in Europe at least) that COVID is nothing to worry about and that we can continue business as usual with it by our side.

Wild Field 1831 · 20-07-2020 03:43PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I'd expect paired back to absolute bare bones, remember each day costs thousands of lives.

I understand what you're saying. But if anything goes slightly wrong and you're dealing with unknown side effects for many.

It's good news but until it's in circulation no jumping up and down here yet.

bodhrandude · 20-07-2020 03:44PM

expectationlost wrote: »

so the question again is how long will the virus take

What do you mean? The duration of the infection, the longevity of the treatment. As far as I know the infection can last in somebody up to two months if you get a strong viral load, its week 5 or 6 that's crucial and determines if you need to go on a ventilator or else I suppose it could be very mild, don't know really.

20-07-2020 03:46PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I mean like we don't even have proper quarantine measures in place. People are asked to go and self isolate for 2 weeks.

That there is a quarantine or self isolation requirement is a common misconception. It’s a ‘restriction of movement’ requirement....ie you can go out to exercise, with no distance requirement, and go to the shop.

So there’s no need really to go through Belfast to avoid it

JP Liz V1 · 20-07-2020 03:46PM

The government need to grow a pair and take a firm stance on travel incoming and outgoing, their message is a mess, no enforced quarantine or follow up checks, only signing a form

Boggles · 20-07-2020 03:47PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's a pack of sh1t for that Limerick pub owner. He was ll ready to go and open for today.

I mean like there's no controls at the airports and out government os inviting disease in. At least put some controls at the airport in place.

Is it true some Irish people are going away on holidays to Spain by bypassing Dublin and skipping the quarantine element? Apparently people are driving up north and flying from Belfast. I mean like we don't even have proper quarantine measures in place. People are asked to go and self isolate for 2 weeks.

That pub owner isn't much different to the people going on holidays, both are a risk to public health.

You don't negate one bad thing by encouraging another.

Anyway unless he is a complete idiot, it was 100% a publicity stunt, lets just hope it won't be remembered when it comes to renewing his license for the sake of his staff he is so worried about.

Like I said previously we cop on to travel after Wave 2, just before Wave 3.

Boggles · 20-07-2020 03:48PM

expectationlost wrote: »

so the question again is how long will the virus take

There could be a reason no one is answering your question there Bud.

iamwhoiam · 20-07-2020 03:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Usually they will hold a patent on the new "recipe" which expires after a certain period In this instance the pace to get to market will be two quick to allow the patent process to be completed. The likelihood is that they will come to a licencing deal with other manufacturers where they don't have capacity. It is also likely the governments will direct companies to do this if there are capacity issues.

Thank you for the reply . Lets hope the Oxford team are on the right road

timsey tiger · 20-07-2020 03:50PM

Boggles wrote: »

There could be a reason no one is answering your question there Bud.

Is it because (s)he forgot to put a question mark at end?

Boggles · 20-07-2020 03:50PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Is it because (s)he forgot to put a question mark at end?

It's not for the want of a question mark.

timsey tiger · 20-07-2020 03:56PM

Boggles wrote: »

It's not for the want of a question mark.

I guess the old adage applies, " there are no stupid questions only stupid ...".;)

Spanish Eyes · 20-07-2020 03:57PM

The dithering and lack of decision making will soon make people very angry indeed.

So here we are and still no sign of the Green zones, or the consequences of travelling from a Red Zone, does it apply only to essential travel, what is defined as essential travel? Are there sanctions for going on yer holliers to a Green Zone? Do we have to quarantine if travelling from a Red zone for an essential purpose? And so on.

The eat in pubs are open, some are strict about the rules, many are not. Social distancing is largely gone out the window. Supermarkets are a free for all, some wear masks some don't.

Ah look, I think we are all getting a bit browned off now, and I'm one of them, so my apologies for the rant.

blowitupref · 20-07-2020 04:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING DATA
48hr period

Tests conducted last 48hrs: 17,091
Tests conducted last 7 days: 50,860
Positive tests last 48hrs: 44
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

More weekly tests done than last week?

13 of those 44 cases will be confirmed this evening seeing that only 31 cases was confirmed the last two days.

Away With The Fairies · 20-07-2020 04:04PM

How did a cluster start at a construction site in Dublin?

Isn't construction work considered safe because it's outdoor work?

Or does anyone know anything about the construction work going on, is the work almost finished and not outdoor work?

Or could infection be picked up from those portable toilets found on construction sites?

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-07-2020 04:05PM

Based on 44 positive tests in last 48hrs can we expect around 20 new cases today or will it be around 40?

I guess the reporting lag will determine.

ACitizenErased · 20-07-2020 04:06PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Based on 44 positive tests in last 48hrs can we expect around 20 new cases today or will it be around 40?

I guess the reporting lag will determine.

Max possible cases based on positive tests is 34 but it could be higher

Plumbthedepths · 20-07-2020 04:07PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How did a cluster start at a construction site in Dublin?

Isn't construction work considered safe because it's outdoor work?

Or does anyone know anything about the construction work going on, is the work almost finished and not outdoor work?

Or could infection be picked up from those portable toilets found on construction sites?

I know it's a mad concept for but some lads working on construction sites sometimes live together and in other instances travel together. They even have a few pints together.
Ah the toilets let's find something else to get terrified about.

lukas8888 · 20-07-2020 04:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

That pub owner isn't much different to the people going on holidays, both are a risk to public health.

You don't negate one bad thing by encouraging another.

Anyway unless he is a complete idiot, it was 100% a publicity stunt, lets just hope it won't be remembered when it comes to renewing his license for the sake of his staff he is so worried about.

Like I said previously we cop on to travel after Wave 2, just before Wave 3.

Multiple posters making the same point about pub license renewal.It is very rare for a judge to refuse a license renewal even with Garda objections.The pub in question would have to continuously break licensing laws over a period of time.Judges are very reluctant to deprive the publican of his livelihood.Worse case scenario would be to transfer his license to a third party.

podgeandrodge · 20-07-2020 04:10PM

Boggles wrote: »

That pub owner isn't much different to the people going on holidays, both are a risk to public health.

You don't negate one bad thing by encouraging another.

Anyway unless he is a complete idiot, it was 100% a publicity stunt, lets just hope it won't be remembered when it comes to renewing his license for the sake of his staff he is so worried about.

Like I said previously we cop on to travel after Wave 2, just before Wave 3.

Can you elaborate on your thoughts as to why this pub owner (IF he adopted SAME social distancing as pubs with food), or any other pub owner, would be a greater risk to public health though?

On the holidays, if you travel to a green zone, is there any much increased risk to travelling down the country for a break?

podgeandrodge · 20-07-2020 04:13PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How did a cluster start at a construction site in Dublin?

Isn't construction work considered safe because it's outdoor work?

Or does anyone know anything about the construction work going on, is the work almost finished and not outdoor work?

Or could infection be picked up from those portable toilets found on construction sites?

ZX7R · 20-07-2020 04:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How did a cluster start at a construction site in Dublin?

Isn't construction work considered safe because it's outdoor work?

Or does anyone know anything about the construction work going on, is the work almost finished and not outdoor work?

Or could infection be picked up from those portable toilets found on construction sites?

Paul construction work a buddy system on most of there site's.
Same group work together, travel together lunch break together.
So if one is infected it should only spread in the buddy group.
Nothing to do with poralaloos.
Rumor mill says that the first person that tested positive was a close contact of a know cluster and didn't self isolate or have a test when originally contacted

Mental Mickey · 20-07-2020 04:22PM

What time is the press conference on at today?

stephenjmcd · 20-07-2020 04:23PM

0 deaths, 6 new cases

20-07-2020 04:23PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The dithering and lack of decision making will soon make people very angry indeed.

So here we are and still no sign of the Green zones, or the consequences of travelling from a Red Zone, does it apply only to essential travel, what is defined as essential travel? Are there sanctions for going on yer holliers to a Green Zone? Do we have to quarantine if travelling from a Red zone for an essential purpose? And so on.

The eat in pubs are open, some are strict about the rules, many are not. Social distancing is largely gone out the window. Supermarkets are a free for all, some wear masks some don't.

Ah look, I think we are all getting a bit browned off now, and I'm one of them, so my apologies for the rant.

The Green Zone announcement is an utter irrelevance IMO. The advice will still be to not travel, even to a Green Zone, so makes no difference to travel insurance (for those that care about travel insurance). And anyone who is planning on going to the UK or France or Spain is not going to change their plans based on whether or not those countries are on a Green List, given that there is only a pretty soft 'restriction of movement' requirement upon return.

It might make a difference if the Green List is accompanied by a change in the rules about quarantine upon return from a country not on it, but otherwise seems like a waste of time for everyone involved

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