Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 20-07-2020 01:00PM

thelad95 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-construction-site-closes-after-workers-test-positive-for-coronavirus-1.4308678?mode=amp

(often not the most intelligent of people).

You became a member of Mensa, when?

bb1234567 · 20-07-2020 01:03PM

Johnny7136 wrote: »

Some say you need to work out excess deaths over a full year, some people in homes were on oxygen and covid likely sped up their death that would have occurred later in the year anyway.
We now have a excess deaths in a minus, so has the UK.
We won't hear George Lee report that.

I think the world made a mistake locking down, no way would it happen again based on the figures we now know. Quarantine the sick not the healthy.
It's very hard for the world leaders to put their hands up and say we got it wrong. They could even be sued for closing businesses, loss of jobs

Why a year? Why is this arbitrary period any more significant than another, why don't we wait 3 years? Or ten ?

Well you havnt been listening to the news much have you. Plenty of regions of the world appear more than prepared to go into second lockdowns, Melbourne for example..
Don't even know what you're trying to get at about the minus excess deaths in the U.K but it's just another blatant lie among a long list. You won't hear George lee reporting it as it's not true . Excess deaths in the U.K. Are tens of thousands above normal , it is the highest excess deaths the country has experienced since ww2 .

Seamai · 20-07-2020 01:08PM

thelad95 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-construction-site-closes-after-workers-test-positive-for-coronavirus-1.4308678?mode=amp

Construction sites could become the new meat factory. Zero social distancing between workers (often not the most intelligent of people).

Londis near me, workers all in getting lunch every day on top of each other, then sit outside eating together. Understandable that if one gets it, it'll spread like wildfire.

I passed one of the big building sites near Kent Station in Cork a few days ago at lunchtime, dozens of worker sitting literally shoulder to shoulder on the footpath eating their lunches. Safety signs everywhere at the site entrances but out on the street zero distancing, I wonder how much this is being heeded inside?

US2 · 20-07-2020 01:17PM

Whealens bar in limerick stuck to his word and opened up today. Looks great and safer than alot of restaurants I've been to.

seamus · 20-07-2020 01:17PM

thelad95 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-construction-site-closes-after-workers-test-positive-for-coronavirus-1.4308678?mode=amp

Construction sites could become the new meat factory. Zero social distancing between workers (often not the most intelligent of people).

Nothing to do with intelligence.

Think of the age and sex profile. Huge majority on ground are men under 30. Women tend to be in more educated roles, men over 30 tend be more management, or self-employed, etc.

By their nature young men are less risk-averse, more likely to go to a big house party over the weekend, before bringing the virus onsite. And less likely to call in sick if they feel ill because they'll lose weeks of work and/or wages.

These kinds of workplaces should add a new caveat to coming onsite - no hat, no boots, no test = no job.

Test the lads as they come onsite every week. Test everyone, no exceptions. Refuse a test, you can go home. It won't stop outbreaks, but it will catch them earlier and might encourage lads to stay home with a cough when they would have come in before.

KrustyUCC · 20-07-2020 01:23PM

US2 wrote: »

Whealens bar in limerick stuck to his word and opened up today. Looks great and safer than alot of restaurants I've been to.

Fair play to him

Id say he will be getting a visit from the guards though

caveat emptor · 20-07-2020 01:25PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Fair play to him

Id say he will be getting a visit from the guards though

I heard he's taking bacon bites out of the packet and putting them on a plate.
9 euro a pop.

There is definitely a smell of bacon in the place but not for the reason you'd think.
Legally covered.

Sofa King Great · 20-07-2020 01:26PM

seamus wrote: »

Nothing to do with intelligence.

Think of the age and sex profile. Huge majority on ground are men under 30. Women tend to be in more educated roles, men over 30 tend be more management, or self-employed, etc.

By their nature young men are less risk-averse, more likely to go to a big house party over the weekend, before bringing the virus onsite. And less likely to call in sick if they feel ill because they'll lose weeks of work and/or wages.

These kinds of workplaces should add a new caveat to coming onsite - no hat, no boots, no test = no job.

Test the lads as they come onsite every week. Test everyone, no exceptions. Refuse a test, you can go home. It won't stop outbreaks, but it will catch them earlier and might encourage lads to stay home with a cough when they would have come in before.

The fact that they have closed is a good thing and shows the system works. If cases start to appear, they take a step back, get people tested and then move on when safe to do so.

Sofa King Great · 20-07-2020 01:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I heard he's taking bacon bites out of the packet and putting them on a plate.
9 euro a pop.

There is definitely a smell of bacon in the place but not for the reason you'd think.
Legally covered.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pub-closes-hours-after-22384839

Legally covered indeed...

US2 · 20-07-2020 01:28PM

Didnt last long as expected

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pub-closes-hours-after-22384839

podgeandrodge · 20-07-2020 01:37PM

US2 wrote: »

Didnt last long as expected

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-pub-closes-hours-after-22384839

The food thing was a sop to some pubs that could act as restaurants for the few weeks before everyone else opened up. Now that they have stopped pubs in general opening up for a longer period, it seems unfair that serving up a curry allows the others to stay open. It's either safe or not safe to sit in a bar, and this idea that having the plate of food is keeping us all acting in a safer manner is nonsense!

If a bar can demonstrate that it has complete capacity to properly impose social distancing it should be allowed in same way as pubs with food imo. I know many will disagree. And agree...

KrustyUCC · 20-07-2020 01:39PM

The virus changes thanks to €9 food being served lol

hmmm · 20-07-2020 01:42PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

this idea that having the plate of food is keeping us all acting in a safer manner is nonsense!

Of course it's not as simple as a plate of food, it's having people seated, it's having time limits on ordering, and not having the random intoxicated mixing that you get in a normal pub.

In hindsight there would perhaps have been less complaining if the government simply told all pubs to stay closed, but that was hardly fair on the pubs which could operate as restaurants.

wowzer · 20-07-2020 01:43PM

Not having a go at anyone at all but the pub thing has been done to death already in this thread and there are two designated threads for pubs, can we leave it out of here please.

jammiedodgers · 20-07-2020 01:45PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The virus changes thanks to €9 food being served lol

Congratulations! You're the 200th person on this thread to make that "joke"!

rovers_runner · 20-07-2020 01:46PM

thelad95 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-construction-site-closes-after-workers-test-positive-for-coronavirus-1.4308678?mode=amp

Construction sites could become the new meat factory. Zero social distancing between workers (often not the most intelligent of people).

Londis near me, workers all in getting lunch every day on top of each other, then sit outside eating together. Understandable that if one gets it, it'll spread like wildfire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnmeACwyg4A

KrustyUCC · 20-07-2020 01:49PM

jammiedodgers wrote: »

Congratulations! You're the 200th person on this thread to make that "joke"!

Do I get a prize? ðŸ˜€

Plumbthedepths · 20-07-2020 01:51PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Do I get a prize? ðŸ˜€

Yes a Guinness and a 'hang' sandwich.

is_that_so · 20-07-2020 01:51PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well our antibody test are only in urban areas, of course that is one way in which spread will be overestimated, probably quite significantly. I don't know why it is not just a random countrywide testing, like as was performed in Spain and most other countries, it makes a lot more sense. If Spain had just done antibody testing in the capital and another large city it would falsely show that over 10% of Spanish have antibodies, when in reality it's around 5% as when communities in rural and coastal areas included infection there was shown to only be around 1-2%.

The plan was to select a high incidence location and I am assuming Sligo is a low incidence one. There was talk they do more at a later date. Spain is not a good comparison as it got to most locations in a very pronounced way.

snotboogie · 20-07-2020 01:53PM

https://twitter.com/TheLancet/status/1285207186591887360?s=20

RasTa · 20-07-2020 01:53PM

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1285209008618561536

KrustyUCC · 20-07-2020 01:53PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yes a Guinness and a 'hang' sandwich.

Excellent

ACitizenErased · 20-07-2020 01:57PM

Lads those Oxford results are seriously impressive. We’ll deffo be on track by end of year.

Eod100 · 20-07-2020 02:00PM

We won't hear the end of it from the UK but feck it small price to pay for a successful vaccine

rubadub · 20-07-2020 02:01PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

this idea that having the plate of food is keeping us all acting in a safer manner is nonsense!

on average I bet it does. Laws stating a food requirement have been in place for over 50 years, nothing new.

I was asking others what law they would have put in place to differentiate between a pub and a restaurant? I think the meal thing does it well.

Restaurants are allowed open in areas where a pub would have no hope of getting permission.

Boggles · 20-07-2020 02:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Lads those Oxford results are seriously impressive. We’ll deffo be on track by end of year.

It looks promising. But I wouldn't be getting to carried away yet.

The results so far are based off a 1000 people.

They were selected because they are 1000 very healthy people.

The people who need it the most don't normally have the same immunity response as fit and healthy people.

There were no dangerous side-effects from taking the vaccine, however, 70% of people on the trial developed either fever or headache.

TBF, that's a high portion of people developing any sort of side effect for a vaccine.

All though I imagine mild.

What Username Guidelines · 20-07-2020 02:13PM

Boggles wrote: »

It looks promising. But I wouldn't be getting to carried away yet.

The results so far are based off a 1000 people.

They were selected because they are 1000 very healthy people.

The people who need it the most don't normally have the same immunity response as fit and healthy people.

TBF, that's a high portion of people developing any sort of side effect for a vaccine.

All though I imagine mild.

A fever and headache is likely a good sign as it shows an immune response, but with limited consequences. I can't find it now, but there was a report about one of their trials being halted after no candidates had any side effects, which made them realise the batch they used was incorrectly manufactured and not as potent as required.

big syke · 20-07-2020 02:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

TBF, that's a high portion of people developing any sort of side effect for a vaccine.

All though I imagine mild.

Did you even read the thing?

Boggles · 20-07-2020 02:15PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

A fever and headache is likely a good sign as it shows an immune response, but with limited consequences. I can't find it now, but there was a report about one of their trials being halted after no candidates had any side effects, which made them realise the batch they used was incorrectly manufactured and not as potent as required.

I know it is not the same thing, but when consider around 2% of people develop side effects from the flu vaccine, 70% is quite high.

But you could be right, maybe the higher the better.

ACitizenErased · 20-07-2020 02:16PM

The article literally states the side effects disappeared when paracetemol was used

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