Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Not disputing that he needs to be there. However Government advice is anyone entering Ireland from abroad is to isolate for 14 days. That should apply to him and his entourage however as he is going to be tested on day and day 7 then it doesn't apply. Can't have 1 rule for some and a different rule for the rest of us! Lead by example.

as long as he's careful abroad in this meetings and following social distancing etc I wouldn't be worried about it.
The guidelines are there because if most of us went on holidays would we follow social distancing over there? No the majority of people wouldn't.
A government minister or company executive going abroad for an important meeting for a day or two, following social distancing protocols etc I wouldn't be worried about at all.
A business trip abroad is not the same as holidaying abroad.

US2 wrote: »

First of all, I dont see why he HAS to be there in person unless he is physically handing them something?

He's a brand new PM, needs to network and meet the other leaders. Trying to recreate the generally cordial relationships that LV had with the other leaders. So wouldn't look good if he was the only one not turning up.
A lot of the important stuff at these summits gets discussed off the record at side meetings - Zooming in via video for just the official 27 round table would mean he misses the crucial details.
Thus would be an abdication of responsibility for him not to be there in person.

(I voted down the card for literally all candidates except Fianna Fail in the recent GE, so don't take this a Fianna Fail viewpoint)

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dr De Gascun "We have a very good handle" on where infections are occurring and cases are "not popping up unpredictably" around the country.

I like him, talks sense the majority of the time.

Santy2015 wrote: »

I like him, talks sense the majority of the time.

Yup he also mentioned if cases breached 100 per day thats the threshold when they would consider to move back a phase

stargazer 68 wrote: »

And the rule is isolate on your return - which he is not going to do.

This is a joke right?

ZX7R wrote: »

MM business trip is definitely more safer than a holiday.
Every head of the EU are going to be there.
The safety protocols and measures been implemented for this gathering are immense.
There is no comparison between the avarge Joe going on there holidays and the trip MM is taking.

So if I travel on a business trip and take precautions I don't have to self isolate when I return?

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree. He needs to do whatever he needs to do to in order to carry out his duty as effectively as possible. That is in all of our interests. He’s not going to do that by sitting at home in front of a computer screen.

Its not in all our interests if he comes back and infects every one else in the Dail bar? If he is getting tested on day 1 + 7 then you can expect him to isolate for 8 days (once you take the weekend out of the equation, is not not that much), same goes for the entourage.

If he doesn't then he really should get castigated by the media.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is fantastic news. He’s the best one to talk imo.

Yup, actually the examiner have his full quote and actually wrote a proper article on it. I also like how he addressed the R number in very simple terms.

“It is just a concern at this stage,” he told RTÉ radio’s Today with Sarah McInerney.

“The R number can be affected by a few large clusters. It's not as if cases are popping up all over the country.”

Dr De Gascun also advised young people to avoid house parties especially where there is singing after it emerged that a cluster of cases had recently arisen from a microphone used for karaoke at a house party.

Full article
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40017401.html

xvril wrote: »

So if I travel on a business trip and take precautions I don't have to self isolate when I return?

His trip is a matter of national importance.
If you're trip is of the equivalent needs.
Then no but would your business trip be of national importance

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

The pettiness on this forum re Martin's trip to Brussells is ridiculous.

He will be tested before and after he comes back and will restrict his movements on return save for esstential business. That is the protocol outlined by the acting CMO at the conference yesterday.

It might be worth a watch back for some

That is what I would expect, wouldn't need to be the full two weeks, about 8 days if testing on day 1 + 7.
I can't seem him or any of the entourage not doing that as the media would rightly have a field day.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, actually the examiner have his full quote and actually wrote a proper article on it. I also like how he addressed the R number in very simple terms.

“It is just a concern at this stage,” he told RTÉ radio’s Today with Sarah McInerney.

“The R number can be affected by a few large clusters. It's not as if cases are popping up all over the country.”

Dr De Gascun also advised young people to avoid house parties especially where there is singing after it emerged that a cluster of cases had recently arisen from a microphone used for karaoke at a house party.

Full article
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40017401.html

It seems our take on the r-number is correct

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup beyond 100 per day is the main bit missing from that headline.

Thats when it would be considered.

But as he said himself cases aren't poping up unpredictably so they know exactly where the clusters are

I heard some of the interview, but missed that bit.

Did he not elaborate on where they were occurring then?

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If you're the prime minister of a country, then no. The idea that Martin should self-isolate for two weeks after an EU meeting is farcical. I hope people are just having a laugh here. Because if you really believe that then I feel sorry for you.

He will self isolate until the second test results come back - and I am sure he won't visit any vulnerable folks during that time as well (outside of work).

schmoo2k wrote: »

He will self isolate until the second test results come back - and I am sure he won't visit any vulnerable folks during that time as well (outside of work).

Rightly so. You can get the result of a test within 24 hours.