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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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  • #7262
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,030 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Wonder at what stage in this crisis will our dail descend into this....I'd say February.

    https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1283475122729431042?s=20

    I'd love to see that :pac:


  • #7263
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Of course it could but don't know why Varadkar has to say it after the news last night. Need to have an end goal for these measures to be anyway sustainable.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-unwinding-of-latest-stage-of-roadmap-could-be-pushed-back-further-1.4306041?localLinksEnabled=false&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Coronavirus%3A+Unwinding+of+latest+stage+of+roadmap++could+be+pushed+back+further&utm_campaign=lunchtime_latest_digest


  • #7264
    xvril
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭xvril


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Wonder at what stage in this crisis will our dail descend into this....I'd say February.

    https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1283475122729431042?s=20

    Something like that might actually be good for the dail.

    Good old traveler style, bare knuckle fight to sort out a few disputes. Shake hands at the end


  • #7265
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Wonder at what stage in this crisis will our dail descend into this....I'd say February.

    https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1283475122729431042?s=20

    Could be today.

    'What do ya mean the dail bar is closed for another 3 weeks?!?!?!'


  • #7266
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,440 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Of course it could but don't know why Varadkar has to say it after the news last night. Need to have an end goal for these measures to be anyway sustainable.

    Well people have been complaining that nothing was said about the potential for the next phase to be rolled out early not actually happening. Now he's said that it may not happen weeks in advance. Can't win really.


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  • #7267
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Jesus its like that bit in airplane where everyone starts going ballistic when the pilot gets sick.

    Surely you can't be serious?


  • #7268
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,352 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Surely you can't be serious?

    I am serious, and don't call me Shirley


  • #7269
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Indymedia is not a reliable source of information

    I'm not saying it is. But was Sally Maaz placed in a Covid ward after testing negative? If she was, why was she?


  • #7270
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Of course it could but don't know why Varadkar has to say it after the news last night. Need to have an end goal for these measures to be anyway sustainable.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-unwinding-of-latest-stage-of-roadmap-could-be-pushed-back-further-1.4306041?localLinksEnabled=false&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Coronavirus%3A+Unwinding+of+latest+stage+of+roadmap++could+be+pushed+back+further&utm_campaign=lunchtime_latest_digest

    The human race is its own worst enemy, if the minority of covidiots had of stopped getting locked at house parties, if a few of the pubs stopped trying it on and not following the rules then the cases wouldnt be causing concern and phase 4 would have gone ahead.

    If these idiots could just stick to what what is being asked of them and do the basics then things will return to a relatively normal state, but nope they cant even do that. If it doesnt effect me **** em ill do what I want mantra

    Shin


  • #7271
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If the government wants to keep the R number low enough and long enough for schools to re-open after the summer holidays then why is it still permitting flights from Texas, which is a Covid hotspot, to land in Ireland? Doesn't letting those flights land in Ireland make it hypocritical of the government to postpone Phase 4?


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  • #7272
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Well people have been complaining that nothing was said about the potential for the next phase to be rolled out early not actually happening. Now he's said that it may not happen weeks in advance. Can't win really.

    I just think its probably not the best thing to say when lot of people's morale down tbh.


  • #7273
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    political analyst wrote: »
    If the government wants to keep the R number low enough and long enough for schools to re-open after the summer holidays then why is it still permitting flights from Texas, which is a Covid hotspot, to land in Ireland? Doesn't letting those flights land in Ireland make it hypocritical of the government to postpone Phase 4?

    This is all about money and the scope of it all in the long run, schools and public health come second.

    You have to remember that what you're being fed by them through media channels isn't the reality of the situation and conversations discussing true motives are being had behind the scenes.


  • #7274
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Just heard on the news that Ireland's R0 is now at 1.8!

    Now I know that with low numbers the R0 is less accurate, but isn't anything above 2 very dangerous?


  • #7275
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Just heard on the news that Ireland's R0 is now at 1.8!

    Now I know that with low numbers the R0 is less accurate, but isn't anything above 2 very dangerous?

    Estimated to be between 1.2 and 1.8 afaik. Think there's more movement when cases are lower. Prof Nolan will probably have the figures later this evening


  • #7276
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,716 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    We'll never be New Zealand, a country a mile down the road from Antarctica. I thought the whole goal was 300 cases a week, not every 24 hours. That we needed to get it down to a point that we can cope with it in the hospitals.
    But now it seems 30 cases is too many.


  • #7277
    political analyst
    Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    This is all about money and the scope of it all in the long run, schools and public health come second.

    You have to remember that what you're being fed by them through media channels isn't the reality of the situation and conversations discussing true motives are being had behind the scenes.

    If it was all about money then those pubs would have still been allowed to re-open on Monday.


  • #7278
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,263 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    Not at all. Maybe stick to ****posting and quit with the amateur psychology you're not as smart as you think you are.

    I see through your style of posting. If you cannot handle being challenged perhaps you should stop posting on the internet.

    Boards is a two way street. You've challenged others in this thread, myself being one, if that's ok for you to do then it's ok for others to do the same to you.


  • #7279
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Well people have been complaining that nothing was said about the potential for the next phase to be rolled out early not actually happening. Now he's said that it may not happen weeks in advance. Can't win really.
    He can if there's an actual plan to outline but there just isn't one, unless you mean stuck at Phase 4/5. Now we may get a business plan and a workable school plan which may get schools back but in everything else it looks like it'll be trundling along for another three weeks. That's not planning. Even the HSE have more going on!


  • #7280
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    We'll never be New Zealand, a country a mile down the road from Antarctica. I thought the whole goal was 300 cases a week, not every 24 hours. That we needed to get it down to a point that we can cope with it in the hospitals.
    But now it seems 30 cases is too many.
    As low as possible is all they'll ever say. It is a good idea to do so but eventually it'll have to compete with a lot of other things in life and we are getting to that point.


  • #7281
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I see through your style of posting. If you cannot handle being challenged perhaps you should stop posting on the internet.

    Boards is a two way street. You've challenged others in this thread, myself being one, if that's ok for you to do then it's ok for others to do the same to you.

    Mod: As per my previous mod warning, take 48 hours away from the thread.


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  • #7282
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    List out Monday of places you van travel to for essential travel and not self isolate so doesn't look like official advice will change for holidays abroad for a while. That's in theory of course, practice may be very different. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1153727/?__twitter_impression=true


  • #7283
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Eod100 wrote: »
    List out Monday of places you van travel to for essential travel and not self isolate so doesn't look like official advice will change for holidays abroad for a while. That's in theory of course, practice may be very different. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1153727/?__twitter_impression=true

    Ive holiday in 11 days time. Flight still going ahead to Barcelona. I wonder how or if the essential part will be enforced.


  • #7284
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Mod: As per my previous mod warning, take 48 hours away from the thread.

    I pity the fool


  • #7285
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    political analyst wrote: »
    If it was all about money then those pubs would have still been allowed to re-open on Monday.

    That's where the scope of things comes into play.

    The loss of publican business is a small price to pay in their eyes. Much smaller than the price of restricting the movement of people from the US, an economic powerhouse that keeps are little island afloat.


  • #7286
    Sawduck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭Sawduck


    Are face masks mandatory in all shops now, where can I get some, is travelling still OK, I assume it is


  • #7287
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Boggles wrote: »
    I didn't say unknown community transmission, I said transmission in the community, as in outside of healthcare facilities where the majority of the cases have been and where the majority of the recent proactive testing has taken place.




    There is certainly health care professional still being infected, but the data is clear, it has now moved out of hospitals and care homes and into the community, where as that wasn't the case not that long ago.

    The numbers are small though, so no need for panic, just a bit of caution.

    I don't think you can say it's moved out of hospitals into the community.
    It's been gotten under control in hospitals and now that we actually have the capacity to test outside of healthcare settings we've seen an increase in community cases because it was impossible for the vast majority of community cases to have been tested before the end of May.
    It most likely took a few weeks of testing to start finding community infections and start picking up more related cases. A downward trend in actual infections could still wrongly be detected as an increase


  • #7288
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Sawduck wrote: »
    Are face masks mandatory in all shops now

    Not legally mandatory yet, but they have been recommended for some time now.
    Sawduck wrote: »
    , where can I get some,

    Most shops sell surgical ones now.
    Sawduck wrote: »
    is travelling still OK, I assume it is

    What do you mean by travelling?


  • #7289
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    I don't think you can say it's moved out of hospitals into the community.
    It's been gotten under control in hospitals and now that we actually have the capacity to test outside of healthcare settings we've seen an increase in community cases because it was impossible for the vast majority of community cases to have been tested before the end of May.
    It most likely took a few weeks of testing to start finding community infections and start picking up more related cases. A downward trend in actual infections could still wrongly be detected as an increase

    There is no data to support a huge increase in testing outside hospital, care settings, etc. The rise in testing was because they went in and did another wave of proactive sweeps. We have plenty of testing capacity in the system.

    No one involved with public health has attributed the rise in cases to more testing outside these environments.

    It's very simple, instances of the virus outside these settings are on the rise. That is not because of more testing, that is because the country has opened more, people are interacting more and people are travelling more, also people are being less vigilant.

    The average daily rate is small, but it is the 14 day trends they look at it. Up 55% from the previous 14 days.

    If that is just a blip, it is fine, if it a trend that continues it will need to be reversed.


  • #7290
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    You are correct that the increase in tests taken could be what resulted in the increased number of cases. However, it would be hard to determine that. Why not just hold off for a couple of weeks to ensure that is the case?

    Even if they did do random sampling. If daily case numbers were staying steady of even decreasing but the random sampling was increasing people wanting the pubs to re-open would just dismiss the random sampling numbers because the daily case numbers are decreasing.

    It's very unlikely that daily cases in a random sampling could increase while daily cases staying steady or decreasing, if it did it would most likely be a one day blip and would quickly correct itself.
    Covid would be only barely detectable in the population even with a big random random sample size, but the numbers would actually mean something.
    Nobody has known what the official numbers have actually meant at any stage throughout the last few months because unlike cancer, heart attacks, strokes, physical trauma etc, it's an awful lot more difficult to judge whether or not someone is part of the statistics when symptoms range from nothing at all to severe pneumonia/death.


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  • #7291
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The Russians and others playing silly buggers with COVID-19 research.
    Russian spies are targeting organisations trying to develop a coronavirus vaccine in the UK, US and Canada, security services have warned. The UK's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) said the hackers "almost certainly" operated as "part of Russian intelligence services".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53429506


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