Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 06:47AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From chatting to some people directly, reading some stuff from friends and family on Facebook, and from reading here, I get the impression that morale left left the building yesterday and people are done caring.

Understandable. The rules are so arbitrary and contradictory, it seems the government knows how stupid certain aspects of the approach are and instead of dealing with those things, it's easier to just make everyone suffer.

I would also be done with it all. I'm not even in Ireland and I feel frustrated about what people are going through.

Very much so, 90% of my close family and friends have gone with whatever government have announced in the past few months.
Since last night the WhatsApp groups have been flooded and its literally as you describe the morale is gone.

Weekends away that were booked are being cancelled because well whats the point in even having a staycation and insread being replaced by people having house parties, the complete opposite to what the government wanted but surely anyone could have seen it coming

pjohnson · 16-07-2020 06:50AM

These same words of rebellion were due around March iirc. The people wont tolerate it, the pubs will open, fight the power etc.

Eod100 · 16-07-2020 06:51AM

So non essential travel still advised against but they are publishing a green list on Monday. Does anyone see a logic in this? https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1283643972942991360?s=19

MickeyLeari · 16-07-2020 06:52AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Very much so, 90% of my close family and friends have gone with whatever government have announced in the past few months.
Since last night the WhatsApp groups have been flooded and its literally as you describe the morale is gone.

Weekends away that were booked are being cancelled because well whats the point in even having a staycation and insread being replaced by people having house parties, the complete opposite to what the government wanted but surely anyone could have seen it coming

I don’t get this. There is no evidence of problems with the existing pubs. Is this more a signal in terms of risk “the virus has not gone away” noting that some countries have had a spike although others including Germany have not had those spikes.

CalamariFritti · 16-07-2020 06:55AM

Within a couple of weeks we went from being on an uncomfortable but somewhat agreeable track back to listening about shenanigans around some family dynasty politician's drink driving cr@p followed by COVID dithering on travel followed by some utterly stupid masks and pubs decision showing complete incompetency. What a fkn mess. But you know what they say. We typically get the government we deserve. Someone voted those clowns back in, so no excuses.

road_high · 16-07-2020 06:57AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Very much so, 90% of my close family and friends have gone with whatever government have announced in the past few months.
Since last night the WhatsApp groups have been flooded and its literally as you describe the morale is gone.

Weekends away that were booked are being cancelled because well whats the point in even having a staycation and insread being replaced by people having house parties, the complete opposite to what the government wanted but surely anyone could have seen it coming

I feel their despair. We are heading towards late July and all I can ask is where is any of this going to end?
We are not “allowed” to take a foreign holiday until god knows when. If left up to the “new normal” brigade probably never.
The fun and spontaneity has been completely squeezed out of life.
I honestly think “the Virus” has completely changed many people. Text one friend last night that used to be a big pub goer and works in the medical field. “You haven’t seen what this virus does if you did you’d order in a take away”...
Now they think they are being completely rational and right. And I’m afraid that’s the kind of person and attitude that is driving National policy currently. I just know we can’t afford to keep going on like this, I’d be very surprised not to see it becoming more difficult for us to keep borrowing as we are

Moragle · 16-07-2020 07:02AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I agree especially this year free for all

The hse will provide the flu vaccine free to everyone in at risk groups regardless of medical card status this year. At risk groups includes close contacts of vulnerable people, so you dont actually need to have an underlying condition yourself to get a free flu vaccine this year

pjohnson · 16-07-2020 07:03AM

road_high wrote: »

I feel their despair. We are heading towards late July and all I can ask is where is any of this going to end?
We are not “allowed” to take a foreign holiday until god knows when. If left up to the “new normal” brigade probably never.
The fun and spontaneity has been completely squeezed out of life.
I honestly think “the Virus” has completely changed many people. Text one friend last night that used to be a big pub goer and works in the medical field. “You haven’t seen what this virus does if you did you’d order in a take away”...
Now they think they are being completely rational and right. And I’m afraid that’s the kind of person and attitude that is driving National policy currently. I just know we can’t afford to keep going on like this, I’d be very surprised not to see it becoming more difficult for us to keep borrowing as we are

And you naturally disagree yeah?

road_high · 16-07-2020 07:06AM

pjohnson wrote: »

And you naturally disagree yeah?

Yes. Nonsensical OTT rubbish. We’ll see in the coming budgets the real consequences. These people are living in a deluded twilight zone currently

Jim_Hodge · 16-07-2020 07:15AM

lukas8888 wrote: »

My reading of the vast majority of posts since the postponement announcement is at complete odds to you, most particularly regarding the delayed reopening.

Boards doesn't represent the real world. Look at the election polls for a start.

Rob A. Bank · 16-07-2020 07:16AM

!

https://twitter.com/_FeachNews/status/1283455794839683074

pjohnson · 16-07-2020 07:16AM

road_high wrote: »

Yes. Nonsensical OTT rubbish. We’ll see in the coming budgets the real consequences. These people are living in a deluded twilight zone currently

So predictable. All because a "friend" didnt wanna go on the pīss. :pac:

16-07-2020 07:18AM

pjohnson wrote: »

And you naturally disagree yeah?

Latest decisions are not rational. If we react like this every time there is a new cluster we will be in eternal overreaction. At low cases, 2 cluster like we have seen recently will cause wild swings. We saw in in Germany with the meat factories and that's in a large country, They will cause even wilder swings here and are to be expected. The difference is Germany trusted their track and trace systems, where as we reversed tack at the first sign of a blip

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 07:23AM

Eod100 wrote: »

So non essential travel still advised against but they are publishing a green list on Monday. Does anyone see a logic in this? https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1283643972942991360?s=19

No idea, heres a green list but don't go to these places either. If it was the UK coming out with this people would be laughing on here and saying what on earth are they at.

Go to green list countries but don't go.
Go to a green list country, do what you want over there, visit 10 bars a day if you want, don't quarantine on your way back but for the love of god don't go for a pint in a rural village...

CalamariFritti · 16-07-2020 07:28AM

There isn't even a blip. Not even a sign of it. Just a complete lack of understanding.

Or else and thats the more likely explanation in my opinion - we're back to decision making based on political games. "Ok people are unhappy with foreign travellers coming in but we cant do anything about that because CTA. What could we give them instead?", "Lets ask our testing the waters experts", "People are in favour of masks, ok we can give them that, what else?". "House parties. People dont like house parties (especially the ones they're not invited to)", "OK, lets say something about house parties then". "People are worried about pubs reopening", "Ok, lets delay that", "Good thinking Minister, will make them stop talking about Cowen too", "Excellent plan Sir."

I genuinely believe thats the level we're now at. Back to Yes Minister Father Ted stuff.

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 07:31AM

Said it before I'll say it again. What the fcuk changes in 3 weeks time
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283664780486680576?s=09

Rob A. Bank · 16-07-2020 07:32AM

Most of Europe in a good place with some regions reporting no cases, particularly in Finland and Estonia.

But the fly in the ointment is the 'herd immunity' lunacy in Sweden.

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CalamariFritti · 16-07-2020 07:35AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Said it before I'll say it again. What the fcuk changes in 3 weeks time
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283664780486680576?s=09

It could materially add to the possibility.

What the actual fvck is that?

How can something that only 'could' add to a 'possibility' be material at the same time. Language contortions to deflect from the fact he's talking out his hole.

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 07:35AM

No point in getting into the R debate again at this stage but its simple stupidity to be predicting 160 cases a day when R is volatile due to 2 large clusters recently, its not accurate. We've been told as much by prof Nolan yet here we are with this being rolled out.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283661859862831104?s=19

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 07:38AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It could add materially to the possibility.

What the actual fvck is that?

How can something that only 'could' add to a 'possibility' be material at the same time.

He's on fire this morning, we could see 160 cases per day in 3 weeks based on R at the moment. R is sky high because of 2 large clusters that have been dealt with. I honestly don't understand how on earth they can come out with this sort of stuff, low case numbers, abnormal cluster size, R goes high until these clusters have worked their way through, its simple

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 07:40AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

In fairness at least he's explaining the reasoning behind the decision there. I still don't understand why pubs are staying closed while tourists are coming in from hotspots but it's a step up from the rambling about house parties last night.

But we'll be back here again in 3 weeks, same position, same debate, kick the can down the road again?

Unless there's some stupidly large clusters there's going to be a level of cases per day in or around what we're at now

CalamariFritti · 16-07-2020 07:41AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

He's on fire this morning, we could see 160 cases per day in 3 weeks based on R at the moment. R is sky high because of 2 large clusters that have been dealt with. I honestly don't understand how on earth they can come out with this sort of stuff, low case numbers, abnormal cluster size, R goes high until these clusters have worked their way through, its simple

In complete ignorance of what R is and how it comes bout and what happened to R in other countries. I don't believe a word of it. Not even those guys could be that stupid. They're at it.

KrustyUCC · 16-07-2020 07:41AM

I wonder did the fact that Martin is a teetotaler factor into the decision?

A couple I know have had to postpone their wedding due to this 'pause' meaning they can no longer ask 40 people

Few FF members I've spoken to very disallusioned with him

Making a mess of the job so far

shinzon · 16-07-2020 07:42AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Said it before I'll say it again. What the fcuk changes in 3 weeks time
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283664780486680576?s=09

Theres something more to this then just the r number being between 1.2-1.8 in such small case numbers and house parties and fears for a second wave. Im not sure what that something is but im convinced theres something there not telling us

Shin

podgeandrodge · 16-07-2020 07:46AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No point in getting into the R debate again at this stage but its simple stupidity to be predicting 160 cases a day when R is volatile due to 2 large clusters recently, its not accurate. We've been told as much by prof Nolan yet here we are with this being rolled out.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1283661859862831104?s=19

stephenjmcd wrote: »

He's on fire this morning, we could see 160 cases per day in 3 weeks based on R at the moment. R is sky high because of 2 large clusters that have been dealt with. I honestly don't understand how on earth they can come out with this sort of stuff, low case numbers, abnormal cluster size, R goes high until these clusters have worked their way through, its simple

Another side to this of course is that, if anything goes wrong wherever, and cases rise for some reason to that level, he will be 'proven' right. And if nothing happens in 3 weeks, he will say that it was due to the extended lockdown.

hmmm · 16-07-2020 07:52AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A couple I know have had to postpone their wedding due to this 'pause' meaning they can no longer ask 40 people

Few FF members I've spoken to very disallusioned with him

He's not taking these decisions for the craic. Unless these "disillusioned" people have some ideas to share as to how a respiratory virus can be prevented from spreading in indoor settings, they're just the usual moaners on the sidelines. How many of them are even bothering to wear a mask today?

Widdensushi · 16-07-2020 07:53AM

What's with the extra restrictions in supermarkets, has there been a surge in cases transmitted there? The measures taken previously seemed to work very well.

hmmm · 16-07-2020 07:53AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Said it before I'll say it again. What the fcuk changes in 3 weeks time

We'll know whether cases are rising (which they appear to be), or whether they will stabilise. The whole point of having a phased reopening was to know when to pull the plug if cases started to rise again.

ZX7R · 16-07-2020 07:53AM

shinzon wrote: »

Theres something more to this then just the r number being between 1.2-1.8 in such small case numbers and house parties and fears for a second wave. Im not sure what that something is but im convinced theres something there not telling us

Shin

Hospital space, there is a big push now to resume none covid practice.
There's no way in hell our hospitals can cope with both at the same time.
It also explains the uptake in testing in nursing homes ect ,if they stay on top of that it will allow normal practice to resume at a greater rate.
Our largest number of people in covid wards were old people sadly and there is plenty more of them left to secombe to the virus.

stephenjmcd · 16-07-2020 07:55AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Another side to this of course is that, if anything goes wrong wherever, and cases rise for some reason to that level, he will be 'proven' right. And if nothing happens in 3 weeks, he will say that it was due to the extended lockdown.

Yup there is that too. I'd love to know though if we're at 20/30 cases in 3 weeks time and they go ahead with phase 4 questions will be asked as to well what was the point in those 3 weeks when the cases are more or less the same

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