Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

dundalkfc10 · 16-07-2020 12:01AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

More issues being raised about the house party clampdown, Gardaí appearently don't have the power to enter a house and shut one down, if they do its an illegal entry. They need a warrant.

It just keeps getting better. What a mess

Of course they need a warrant. I wouldn't let a Gardaí into my house without one.

KathleenGrant · 16-07-2020 12:01AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Complete and utter nonsense yes. Nonsense to assume based on someone’s age that they’ve had a harder life than anyone else’s and it’s certainly not some weird reason to keep people out of work. If the over eighties are so worried (and any that I know aren’t by the way) then they can cocoon themselves.

You make your point. I have to hold my hands up and say.......sorry it's not hands, it's a hand,
I have to hold my hand up and say..... oh wait it's not a hand it's some of my hand.
Ok it's a finger.
I'm holding up a finger.

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 12:03AM

gizmo23 wrote: »

Sorry this is just a lie .... it has given them flu like symptoms which is a side effect of many vaccinations including the flu jab as reported here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna-final-phase-testing/

It has not made them sicker than coronavirus.

I don't know why I am bothering.

A participant in the 250 mcg dose group had severe fever, onset the evening of the second vaccination, along with severe chills and mild fatigue, myalgia, and headache. In the early morning of the day after vaccination the participant developed recurrent severe fever, chills, fatigue, and headache, moderate myalgia and nausea, and mild arthralgia. The participant was evaluated in an urgent care center and received symptomatic treatment prior to discharge. A nasal swab specimen was negative for SARS-CoV-2 bypolymerase chain reaction and positive for adenovirus by a fluorescent antibody assay. After sleeping for several hours at home, upon standing the participant was lightheaded and nauseous, vomited, and then fainted.Lightheadedness persisted for several hours. Other systemic symptoms improved over the course of the day. Mild headache was present the next day and mild fatigue was reported through post vaccination day 6.The unsolicited adverse events of lightheadedness and fainting (syncope) were judged as severe and related to vaccination and were classified as MedDRA® system organ classnervous system disorders (Table S3).Safety laboratory grade 2 or higher adverse eventsA total of five grade 2 safety laboratory adverse events, defined by a standard toxicity grading scale,7were identified; no grade 3 events were identified. Of the five grade 2 events,

Most healthy people would not get that sick from a SARS-2 infection. That is a fact, not a lie.

That was for one subject out of 45. The trial supervisors note that the severe reactions, including the above, were for the 250 mcg protocol and that they won't be going there, unsurprisingly.

The next trial involves 30,000, so fingers crossed no one ends up with narcolepsy or anything else similarly serious as some did with the similarly rushed N1H1 influenza vaccine.

Dozens of NHS workers are fighting for compensation after developing narcolepsy from a swine flu vaccine that was rushed into service without the usual testing when the disease spread across the globe in 2009. They say it has destroyed their careers and their health.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

D.Q · 16-07-2020 12:06AM

Surely not linking buzzfeed hahaha

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 12:09AM

D.Q wrote: »

Only thing to do is grant emergency powers.

Well since we are not at war and there is no armed insurrection, they might be struggling to find a constitutional basis on which to do that - oh wait, they already did that with all the other measures - never mind, looks like they are happy to do whatever they like.

fritzelly · 16-07-2020 12:09AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I don't know why I am bothering.

Where is the quoted text from?

nocoverart · 16-07-2020 12:14AM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483

This is amazing, thank you. Now change your username to 'The Onion'

gizmo23 · 16-07-2020 12:15AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I don't know why I am bothering.

Most healthy people would not get that sick from a SARS-2 infection. That is a fact, not a lie.

That was for one subject out of 45. The trial supervisors note that the severe reactions, including the above, were for the 250 mcg protocol and that they won't be going there, unsurprisingly.

The next trial involves 30,000, so fingers crossed no one ends up with narcolepsy or anything else similarly serious as some did with the similarly rushed N1H1 influenza vaccine.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

Sorry why are quoting swine flu what relevances those that have for this vaccine?

That's like me listing the side effects to panadol and telling people not to take the flu vaccine.

Also your admitting that they have found a problem and have resolved it by not using that level of dosage again ? And now the vaccine going forward to next phase is safer ?

And also that it was the dosage level the issue not infact the vaccine like you stated ?

And you bother probably the same reason as I do ... to get an understanding of the vaccines and it's interesting

hope that answers that question to a satisfactory degree

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 12:16AM

D.Q wrote: »

Surely not linking buzzfeed hahaha

This is the Daily Mail bleat: Even if it is demonstrably true and accurate, it clearly isn't because it appeared on site X.

So, your turn to prove that the buzzfeed article is inaccurate or misleading, if for no other reason than to prove you are capable of more than lazy on-liners.

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 12:29AM

gizmo23 wrote: »

Sorry why are quoting swine flu what relevances those that have for this vaccine?

That's like me listing the side effects to panadol and telling people not to take the flu vaccine.

I addressed that by saying "the similarly rushed".

Also your admitting that they have found a problem and have resolved it by not using that level of dosage again ? And now the vaccine going forward to next phase is safer ?

No I am not admitting they have solved anything, I said they are addressing the issue, which in this context means they are going to go forward with the lower dose protocol, but there is absolutely no reason to think that some of the 30,000 won't have just as adverse experiences at the lower dosage, due to indivdual variability.

And also that it was the dosage level the issue not infact the vaccine like you stated ?

It wasn't a dose of water that made that person sick for days, it was the vaccine.

And you bother probably the same reason as I do ... to get an understanding of the vaccines and it's interesting hope that answers that question to a satisfactory degree

Er, no.

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 12:31AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Where is the quoted text from?

Stop being so lazy and work it out. I'll even give you a hint - you asked for a link...

fritzelly · 16-07-2020 12:33AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Stop being so lazy and work it out. I'll even give you a hint - you asked for a link...

And yet the link you gave does not have that text in it...hmmm so where is that text from?

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 12:36AM

fritzelly wrote: »

And yet the link you gave does not have that text in it...hmmm so where is that text from?

That link might have secondary links. There might even be an Appendix, if you are lucky.

fritzelly · 16-07-2020 12:40AM

cnocbui wrote: »

That link might have secondary links. There might even be an Appendix, if you are lucky.

How about instead of expecting people to go on an egg hunt for some anonymous text you just provide the link

spookwoman · 16-07-2020 12:42AM

fritzelly wrote: »

How about instead of expecting people to go on an egg hunt for some anonymous text you just provide the link

They expect everyone else to do it.

gizmo23 · 16-07-2020 12:43AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I addressed that by saying "the similarly rushed".

No I am not admitting they have solved anything, I said they are addressing the issue, which in this context means they are going to go forward with the lower dose protocol, but there is absolutely no reason to think that some of the 30,000 won't have just as adverse experiences at the lower dosage, due to indivdual variability.

It wasn't a dose of water that made that person sick for days, it was the vaccine.

Er, no.

But you see the vaccine has been deemed safe to proceed to the next phase ... but the level of dosage has to be tampered with. It was the level of dosage that made the person sick hence the very reason they under go trials.... in fact it's a good thing they are spotting problems.

The lower level has been deemed more than adequate (in fact promising ) to proceed to the next phase of trials.

And regarding the "similar rushed" you do realise that no vaccine ever will be 100% without side effects the same with tablets... it is impossible. I mean I have to sign a weaver everytime I have general anesthetic stating I am aware of the potential side effects...

And for every person that developed narcolepsy it could be pointed to 20 peoples lives the vaccine saved. I would personal take narcolepsy If it meant saving my life.

At the end of the day what you stated half the participants got symptoms worse than covid from the vaccine is at worst plain lieing at best spreading misinformation to suit your agenda.... as half the participants didnt receive that level of dosage it was in fact even in the article you posted ONE PERSON developed those symptoms

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 12:46AM

fritzelly wrote: »

How about instead of expecting people to go on an egg hunt for some anonymous text you just provide the link

Give a Man a Fish, and You Feed Him for a Day. Teach a Man To Fish, and You Feed Him for a Lifetime

....

fritzelly · 16-07-2020 12:47AM

spookwoman wrote: »

They expect everyone else to do it.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but the severe symptoms were caused by another virus and the light headedness/fainting was caused by the vaccination

fritzelly · 16-07-2020 12:47AM

cnocbui wrote: »

....

And set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life :rolleyes:

gizmo23 · 16-07-2020 12:51AM

cnocbui wrote: »

I addressed that by saying "the similarly rushed".

No I am not admitting they have solved anything, I said they are addressing the issue, which in this context means they are going to go forward with the lower dose protocol, but there is absolutely no reason to think that some of the 30,000 won't have just as adverse experiences at the lower dosage, due to indivdual variability.

It wasn't a dose of water that made that person sick for days, it was the vaccine.

Er, no.

fritzelly wrote: »

And set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life :rolleyes:

I would possibley stick an advisory note on that for people not to try that... logical we know not to but there seems a sever lack of logic floating around lately

ceadaoin. · 16-07-2020 01:21AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Of course they need a warrant. I wouldn't let a Gardaí into my house without one.

Didn't new zealand bring in emergency powers to allow police to enter homes without a warrant? "Temporary " of course.

16-07-2020 01:43AM

From chatting to some people directly, reading some stuff from friends and family on Facebook, and from reading here, I get the impression that morale left left the building yesterday and people are done caring.

Understandable. The rules are so arbitrary and contradictory, it seems the government knows how stupid certain aspects of the approach are and instead of dealing with those things, it's easier to just make everyone suffer.

I would also be done with it all. I'm not even in Ireland and I feel frustrated about what people are going through.

cnocbui · 16-07-2020 02:14AM

The south-west Sydney cluster is a more infectious form of the virus than previously seen, the state's Chief Health Officer says, as NSW recorded 10 new cases of COVID-19 on Thursday.

...

It comes as Victoria confirmed a record 317 daily cases, the highest daily increase since the start of the pandemic. Of the cases, 28 are connected to known outbreaks and 289 are under investigation.

The tally surpassed last Friday’s 288 cases, the previous record-high. The state has recorded more than 200 cases for all but one of the past seven days. Two men in their 80s passed away, taking the state’s death toll to 29.
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On Wednesday, Dr Chant said cases in the Casula cluster were becoming infectious as soon as one day after contracting the coronavirus.

She said while the incubation period for COVID-19 is usually within 14 days,"people have developed the symptoms, more towards the one day period than the 14[days]".

"It gives you very little time for the contact tracers, because you've got to get your cases diagnosed and then you've got to lock down those contacts," Dr Chant said.

"If you've got a sore throat today, don't wait for two days to get it diagnosed. Work with us. Go get tested day one because every day you can give us allows us to to stop that spread."

Earlier on Thursday, NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard warned young people not to become complacent about the threat of coronavirus as they are often the least ill but "can be the most infectious".

"[There was] a young bloke who had one of the highest infection levels we've ever seen. His viral load was capable of spreading to anyone near him," Mr Hazzard told Sydney radio station 2GB this morning.

"The health tracers tell me young people get out and about in the evening, and they go to lots of places. If you're sick, for heavens' sake stay home. You're putting everybody at risk.

"We really need young people to wake up, they can be extremely deadly to their elderly relatives."

He said 40 per cent of coronavirus cases were found in 18- to 29-year-olds.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/crossroads-hotel-outbreak-continues-to-grow-as-nsw-records-10-new-covid-19-cases-20200716-p55ckc.html

Sounds like the virus is getting more tricky. That quote about being told that young people get out and about in the evening and go to lots of places is worthy of Trump.

The Premier might want to shuffle that one off out of the cabinet.

ceadaoin. · 16-07-2020 02:18AM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/crossroads-hotel-outbreak-continues-to-grow-as-nsw-records-10-new-covid-19-cases-20200716-p55ckc.html

Sounds like the virus is getting more tricky. That quote about being told that young people get out and about in the evening and go to lots of places is worthy of Trump.

The Premier might want to shuffle that one off out of the cabinet.

Sounds like the strain doing the rounds in the US, more contagious but not more severe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/?arc404=true

16-07-2020 02:39AM

Doesn't that make it less tricky? It wouldn't be all around the world if it was like that from the start..

fritzelly · 16-07-2020 02:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Doesn't that make it less tricky? It wouldn't be all around the world if it was like that from the start..

Yup - and what is this criteria where they know they've only been infected for a day and already contagiouos? Very vague article

Maybe it's mutated with an STI...

fritzelly · 16-07-2020 03:15AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/josephfcox/status/1283593343365050368?s=19

Are you on the wrong thread?

bb1234567 · 16-07-2020 03:36AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-death-rate.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR359G0Tc7QwMYWnVsQGLrNLgGfOX9mHgvDaD57xxjeyErtg8Ow4JeX7uHI

Interesting news, an online conference held by WHO and attended by 1300 scientists worldwide have finally came to a consensus that the IFR of COVID 19 is 0.64%, it is the first time since the pandemic emerged 6 months ago that WHO have published this official figure.

Those researchers looked at 267 studies in more than a dozen countries, and then chose the 25 they considered the most accurate, weighting them for accuracy and averaged the data. They concluded that the global I.F.R. was 0.64 percent.

It may not sound that high but if 50% of the world's population were to contract it, it would lead to 25 million deaths..55 million people die an average year globally.

16-07-2020 03:43AM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/crossroads-hotel-outbreak-continues-to-grow-as-nsw-records-10-new-covid-19-cases-20200716-p55ckc.html

Sounds like the virus is getting more tricky. That quote about being told that young people get out and about in the evening and go to lots of places is worthy of Trump.

The Premier might want to shuffle that one off out of the cabinet.

Incubation period was always said to up to 14 days, but 14 days is an outlier. 3 to 7 days seems to have been the normal range to develop symptoms, and with pre symptomatic spread being seen up to 2 days prior to symptoms, being infectious after 1 day does not seem unusual

ZX7R · 16-07-2020 06:43AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

More issues being raised about the house party clampdown, Gardaí appearently don't have the power to enter a house and shut one down, if they do its an illegal entry. They need a warrant.

It just keeps getting better. What a mess

Plenty of ways for the gardai to intervene,
Sound complaint.
Trespass.
Criminal damage.
There are plenty more

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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