Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 11:17PM

You can prebook now for the winter flu jab with pharmacies as demand will be high

Duke of Url · 15-07-2020 11:18PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Both self inflicted "flare ups"

Do you think groups of people with impaired judgement from alcohol gathered together in confinement spaces like pubs and nightclubs is a good idea during a pandemic?

We are where we are currently because nearly everyone has an understanding of how to stay safe.

I like many others fear when you have many people lacking self control from alcohol, we are going to get many new cases quick smart.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:18PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

You can prebook now for the winter flu jab with pharmacies as demand will be high

Uh? Most chemists you can call and get it the same day

nocoverart · 15-07-2020 11:19PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The Moderna vaccine side effects, experienced by more than half the subjects, is making them sicker than a dose of SARS-2 likely would. Lets hope the Oxford one is better than that.

Most sane, normal people would indeed hope the Oxford one is better if this is true. Shouldn't really even have to ask, but you should link that. Extradionary claims and all that.

Atlantic Dawn · 15-07-2020 11:21PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

You can prebook now for the winter flu jab with pharmacies as demand will be high

Do we have flu death figures for first half of 2020 vs first half of 2019? I'd love to see them. Did Covid 'kill' the flu off?

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:21PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Do you think groups of people with impaired judgement from alcohol gathered together in confinement spaces like pubs and nightclubs is a good idea during a pandemic?

We are where we are currently because nearly everyone has an understanding of how to stay safe.

I like many others fear when you have many people lacking self control from alcohol, we are going to get many new cases quick smart.

There is still the restriction of the numbers in enclosed spaces - many bars could have opened and kept social distancing while serving the community, increasing employment and bringing life back to some places

Agreed nightclubs should be outta the picture - but most pubs are not shoulder to shoulder. Most bars are pretty dead anyway Monday to Thursday

gizmo23 · 15-07-2020 11:24PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The Moderna vaccine side effects, experienced by more than half the subjects, is making them sicker than a dose of SARS-2 likely would. Lets hope the Oxford one is better than that.

Sorry this is just a lie .... it has given them flu like symptoms which is a side effect of many vaccinations including the flu jab as reported here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna-final-phase-testing/

It has not made them sicker than coronavirus.

US2 · 15-07-2020 11:26PM

gizmo23 wrote: »

Sorry this is just a lie .... it has given them flu like symptoms which is a side effect of many vaccinations including the flu jab as reported here
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna-final-phase-testing/

It has not made them sicker than coronavirus.

Covid is milder than the flu for majority of the people who get it, in fact most people wouldn't even know they are infected, so yes, side affects are worse than covid itself

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:29PM

US2 wrote: »

Covid is milder than the flu for majority of the people who get it, in fact most people wouldn't even know they are infected, so yes, side affects are worse than covid itself

Did anyone on the trial need intubating or die?

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 11:30PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Uh? Most chemists you can call and get it the same day

McCauley Health & Beauty Pharmacy advising pre booking now

gizmo23 · 15-07-2020 11:32PM

US2 wrote: »

Covid is milder than the flu for majority of the people who get it, in fact most people wouldn't even know they are infected, so yes, side affects are worse than covid

The symptoms that lasted a day ??

We both know that was not his intent in the message but we shall play that game.

So are we suggesting that the regulatory authorities that have approved it to go to the next phase are failing in their jobs ? And approving it for a trial of over 3,000 more people because if so I dont think I can defeat ignorance with logic

US2 · 15-07-2020 11:33PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Did anyone on the trial need intubating or die?

Ah stop. No point even having a discussion with you

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:33PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

McCauley Health & Beauty Pharmacy advising pre booking now

Sounds stupid to me - thousands of places to get the jab, not like you would be waiting more than a day or two
Last year called chemist at 2pm and told come up at 4

Duke of Url · 15-07-2020 11:35PM

fritzelly wrote: »

There is still the restriction of the numbers in enclosed spaces - many bars could have opened and kept social distancing while serving the community, increasing employment and bringing life back to some places

Agreed nightclubs should be outta the picture - but most pubs are not shoulder to shoulder. Most bars are pretty dead anyway Monday to Thursday

It would work if people kept their senses intact like in restaurants and shops.

I fail to see where groups of intoxicated people will keep their sh1t together to abide by health and safety standards currently in place.

I don’t know if pub owners will give a bollox, but I know many staff do who won’t be going back into that line of work.

I have 10 years served as a bar manager and in glad I left it a few years back. I would hate to be depending on it now.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:36PM

US2 wrote: »

Ah stop. No point even having a discussion with you

You're the one fearmongering the cure is worse than the disease - when in fact some patients had some mild side effects that quickly cleared

bb1234567 · 15-07-2020 11:36PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Also homes being restricted to gatherings of 10 as well, don't forget

Is that a a big deal? Who has more than ten people to their home often? It's essentially a ban on house parties

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:39PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

It would work if people kept their senses intact like in restaurants and shops.

I fail to see where groups of intoxicated people will keep their sh1t together to abide by health and safety standards currently in place.

I don’t know if pub owners will give a bollox, but I know many staff do who won’t be going back into that line of work.

I have 10 years served as a bar manager and in glad I left it a few years back. I would hate to be depending on it now.

Maybe the case for city centers - plenty of other bars who don't cram them in

Could have easily come up with a plan for the numbers allowed in based on square footage (like they did with the "restaurant" bars)

Said it earlier - there will be a lot of bars opening next week serving food of some description

gizmo23 · 15-07-2020 11:39PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Sounds stupid to me - thousands of places to get the jab, not like you would be waiting more than a day or two
Last year called chemist at 2pm and told come up at 4

Personal opinion would be it's a great idea start hitting the message home hard and early get it get it get it.... if that includes pre booking something sound enough. Also will allow them to see uptake and calculate to a reasonable degree how many doses will be needed .. but I would also agree there will be plenty of places offering it.....

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 11:40PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Sounds stupid to me - thousands of places to get the jab, not like you would be waiting more than a day or two
Last year called chemist at 2pm and told come up at 4

I am guessing with Covid the demand will be higher this year than from whom normally gets

Van.Bosch · 15-07-2020 11:40PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Sounds stupid to me - thousands of places to get the jab, not like you would be waiting more than a day or two
Last year called chemist at 2pm and told come up at 4

In fairness last year was a different world

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:41PM

gizmo23 wrote: »

Personal opinion would be it's a great idea start hitting the message home hard and early get it get it get it.... if that includes pre booking something sound enough. Also will allow them to see uptake and calculate to a reasonable degree how many doses will be needed .. but I would also agree there will be plenty of places offering it.....

For the cost of it they should just make it free for anyone that wants it - my work offers it for free
Money saved from people not being sick alone would pay for it

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 11:43PM

fritzelly wrote: »

For the cost of it they should just make it free for anyone that wants it - my work offers it for free
Money saved from people not being sick alone would pay for it

I agree especially this year free for all

s1ippy · 15-07-2020 11:43PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

And that’s why people are throwing tantrums over it?

I’m amazed that pubs plays a large part in so many peoples lives in Ireland in 2020.

So much so that they go ****1ng ballistic that they can’t go.

When your family and/or friends don’t join you for a pint as they have concerns, will you go full code red on them too?

I have friends who work in pubs who won’t go back when they reopen as they don’t trust customers when drink is taken and the irrational behaviour starts during a pandemic.

The same with 2 bouncers normally did night clubs who changed to security jobs in stores.

A lad I haven't spoken to in three years because he robbed money off me for coke rang me the other day, he'd booked a table for 20 in the local (meal distancing etc possible) the day it was opening. I obviously told him he was a special friend of mine. Find out at the weekend he couldn't get a single person to come, not even his mam.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 11:43PM

More issues being raised about the house party clampdown, Gardaí appearently don't have the power to enter a house and shut one down, if they do its an illegal entry. They need a warrant.

It just keeps getting better. What a mess

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:44PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I am guessing with Covid the demand will be higher this year than from whom normally gets

Agreed with that sentiment - just the prebooking sounds more like an advertising venture than an health care one

bb1234567 · 15-07-2020 11:47PM

US2 wrote: »

Covid is milder than the flu for majority of the people who get it, in fact most people wouldn't even know they are infected, so yes, side affects are worse than covid itself

Odd way of looking at it..the symptoms or lack there of that a large number of people experience(or don't ) with COVID is obviously not the big problem here. It's the 1% who die and the 4-5% who need hospitalisation or ICU treatment. It affects a relatively small but unfortunately still very significant number of people( at a countrywide scale for example) very badly

gizmo23 · 15-07-2020 11:48PM

fritzelly wrote: »

For the cost of it they should just make it free for anyone that wants it - my work offers it for free
Money saved from people not being sick alone would pay for it

100% agree it would also appeal to first timers. Which again once they get the first will come back the year after etc. Unfortunately though money will be king in some quarters

gizmo23 · 15-07-2020 11:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

More issues being raised about the house party clampdown, Gardaí appearently don't have the power to enter a house and shut one down, if they do its an illegal entry. They need a warrant.

It just keeps getting better. What a mess

I seriously wonder how this keeps happening ?? Like those nobody in the irish government do any research into things??

Is it simply a case of "ah f^^k lads we may do something ... sure tell em the guards will shut them down.. nobody will question us "

I am in favour of keeping pubs closed its only a personal opinion I just think it's a bit of a risk right now but the logic they use to do it is baffling. Like obviously they are worried about the august bank holiday.... but human nature being what it is it would be highly reasonable to think those getting pissed on the 1st 2nd 3rd of august will just do it on the 16th 17th and take the 18th off

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:54PM

gizmo23 wrote: »

100% agree it would also appeal to first timers. Which again once they get the first will come back the year after etc. Unfortunately though money will be king in some quarters

How much would it really cost the government each year 10 million if that?

Last thing we need is a flu crisis on top of a possible covid x wave

D.Q · 16-07-2020 12:01AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

More issues being raised about the house party clampdown, Gardaí appearently don't have the power to enter a house and shut one down, if they do its an illegal entry. They need a warrant.

It just keeps getting better. What a mess

Only thing to do is grant emergency powers.

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