Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

manofwisdom · 15-07-2020 10:48PM

Leo left Martin with little to do on a virus that was contained here. Air travel and health care workers was the only real issues.

It should have been a smooth transition into phase 4 on Monday. Instead Martin wants to show some so called leadership by kicking phase 4 down the road for another 3 weeks.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 10:52PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

Instead Martin wants to show some so called leadership by kicking phase 4 down the road for another 3 weeks.

Think this is it entirely - wants to be seen as being this strong leader who knows what he's doing and making tough decisions (a la Trump).
Reality being he is just pissing people off

Ae Fond Kiss · 15-07-2020 10:52PM

Arghus wrote: »

I think Leo was bad at the start of all this, then got better and then got a bit sloppy and all over the place message wise towards the end.

Up until today I would have said FF were absolutely piss poor in their management of this. But, maybe, today was the first sign that they're prepared to grasp the nettle a bit. The fact that FF went against the vintners felt pretty significant. It would have been a popular short term decision for them politically to open the pubs.

Not just saying it but I find you an excellent, thoughtful poster. No agendas.

I've ranted on a bit like a lunatic this evening. I'm annoyed as people are just reverting to type and easy stereotypes, FF bad, Barry Cowen. Calling MM Mehole. All the I want thanks stuff.

Irish society's problems always run deeper. Often to a post colonial attitude that we like to con the system. Love pulling strokes. Of course FF have been involved in so much. But they've been in power so much.

Goldengirl · 15-07-2020 10:52PM

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Micheal is a great Irish name. None of the blueshirts on here would call their icon Micheal Ó Coileáin 'Meehole'. Oh no they claim their party was his.

Henceforth Varadkar can legitimately be called Varwanker to these tan lovers.

Jeez, that post is the most anachronistic in this thread ,are you a time traveller or something?

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 10:54PM

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Not just saying it but I find you an excellent, thoughtful poster. No agendas.

I've ranted on a bit like a lunatic this evening. I'm annoyed as people are just reverting to type and easy stereotypes, FF bad, Barry Cowen. Calling MM Mehole. All the I want thanks stuff.

Irish society's problems always run deeper. Often to a post colonial attitude that we like to con the system. Love pulling strokes. Of course FF have been involved in so much. But they've been in power so much.

This is not the Party Political Broadcast thread - it's about Covid

D.Q · 15-07-2020 10:55PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Oxford vaccine looking hopeful. Very hopeful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/news/3591642-oxford-vaccine-produces-double-defence-against-sars-covminus-2

Maybe if they can up it to quadruple defence it can bring us back in time and stop the whole thing from happening in the first place

Itssoeasy · 15-07-2020 10:56PM

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Well if there was a ban on Irish travel to Cheltenham that in itself could have led to it being called off.

Leo was weak here. If you're calling out Martin at the start of his tenure it's only fair to point out Leo took time to get to grips with Covid.

Irish people not going wouldn't have called off the event. It's not just Irish people that go to Cheltenham.

I didn't mention Michael Martin at all you're the one mentioning him so don't be implying I'm criticising him when I haven't mentioned him. I simply replied to your post where you seemed to suggest Leo varadkar in his role as Taoiseach had some power over the Cheltenham festival which is clear he had no power to stop.

timsey tiger · 15-07-2020 10:56PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Jeez, that post is the most anachronistic in this thread ,are you a time traveller or something?

Gave me a chuckle though. 1970s stuff

Strazdas · 15-07-2020 10:57PM

Martin seems to be going the Nicola Sturgeon route of being very cautious. I've no problem with it though.....we've seen flare ups in places like Israel and Australia, where they thought they had the virus well under control.

Ae Fond Kiss · 15-07-2020 10:57PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Jeez, that post is the most anachronistic in this thread ,are you a time traveller or something?

Yeah I'm ranting a bit but it's not anachronistic. In January Charlie Flanagan wanted to celebrate some thugs from English jail's.

History is only ever anachronistic to foolish people who don't learn from the mistakes of the past.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:00PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Martin seems to be going the Nicola Sturgeon route of being very cautious. I've no problem with it though.....we've seen flare ups in places like Israel and Australia, where they thought they had the virus well under control.

Both self inflicted "flare ups"

Ae Fond Kiss · 15-07-2020 11:01PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Irish people not going wouldn't have called off the event. It's not just Irish people that go to Cheltenham.

I didn't mention Michael Martin at all you're the one mentioning him so don't be implying I'm criticising him when I haven't mentioned him. I simply replied to your post where you seemed to suggest Leo varadkar in his role as Taoiseach had some power over the Cheltenham festival which is clear he had no power to stop.

And you know that for definite? The Irish outnumber the English, spend most of the betting money. The fact is you don't know if no Irish would have effected the festival.

You say you can't pin Cheltenham on Leo. You absolutely can. We were deep in March, he gave no advice. Very same as MM and the yanks.

snotboogie · 15-07-2020 11:02PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Oxford vaccine looking hopeful. Very hopeful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/news/3591642-oxford-vaccine-produces-double-defence-against-sars-covminus-2

Indeed fantastic news. This article gives a bit more detail: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-07-15/oxford-s-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-coronavirus-front-runner?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-businessweek&utm_content=businessweek&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

timsey tiger · 15-07-2020 11:02PM

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Yeah I'm ranting a bit but it's not anachronistic. In January Charlie Flanagan wanted to celebrate some thugs from English jail's.

History is only ever anachronistic to foolish people who don't learn from the mistakes of the past.

But in these post good Friday agreement times you'll have to learn to love your inner southern unionist. especially. now that you are stuck in government with then for 5 years.

Renjit · 15-07-2020 11:03PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Oxford vaccine looking hopeful. Very hopeful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/news/3591642-oxford-vaccine-produces-double-defence-against-sars-covminus-2

Real Chad :pac:

cnocbui · 15-07-2020 11:03PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Oxford vaccine looking hopeful. Very hopeful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/news/3591642-oxford-vaccine-produces-double-defence-against-sars-covminus-2

The Moderna vaccine side effects, experienced by more than half the subjects, is making them sicker than a dose of SARS-2 likely would. Lets hope the Oxford one is better than that.

bb1234567 · 15-07-2020 11:04PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Martin seems to be going the Nicola Sturgeon route of being very cautious. I've no problem with it though.....we've seen flare ups in places like Israel and Australia, where they thought they had the virus well under control.

Agreed, I'd rather some minor restrictions now (such as pubs remaining closed) to keep things ticking along smoothly rather than suffering much harsher restrictions in a few weeks if there is an unmanageably large outbreak. Prevention is worth a pound of cure!

Ae Fond Kiss · 15-07-2020 11:04PM

fritzelly wrote: »

This is not the Party Political Broadcast thread - it's about Covid

Look Fritz.

Covid is all encompassing. Government responses, how they react are relevant.

In my few weeks here I've learned your 'back seat moding'. I know you're one of a clique who likes to set the agenda but to me your just little Fritz.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 11:05PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Im not a FF or FG supporter but in fairness its now as if MM made the decision himself, its a govt decision.

True also Coveney (FG) is still over Foreign Affairs and no banning of flights or forced quarantine from areas with high Covid cases

timsey tiger · 15-07-2020 11:05PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Both self inflicted "flare ups"

Interesting euphemism for the Isreali situation.

Renjit · 15-07-2020 11:05PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Jeez, that post is the most anachronistic in this thread ,are you a time traveller or something?

That's a real thoughtful post though

timmy_mallet · 15-07-2020 11:08PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Agreed, I'd rather some minor restrictions now (such as pubs remaining closed) to keep things ticking along smoothly rather than suffering much harsher restrictions in a few weeks if there is an unmanageably large outbreak. Prevention is worth a pound of cure!

Also homes being restricted to gatherings of 10 as well, don't forget

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:09PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The Moderna vaccine side effects, experienced by more than half the subjects, is making them sicker than a dose of SARS-2 likely would. Lets hope the Oxford one is better than that.

Linky?

spookwoman · 15-07-2020 11:10PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The Moderna vaccine side effects, experienced by more than half the subjects, is making them sicker than a dose of SARS-2 likely would. Lets hope the Oxford one is better than that.

Yes where are the numbers, you expect numbers from everyone else here. And links to back up this

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:11PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Interesting euphemism for the Isreali situation.

You've only to look at the beaches after the leader basically dismantled his health team and lifted the lockdown - did they really expect it to just go away
Then Oz with it's randy security men

timsey tiger · 15-07-2020 11:12PM

cnocbui wrote: »

The Moderna vaccine side effects, experienced by more than half the subjects, is making them sicker than a dose of SARS-2 likely would. Lets hope the Oxford one is better than that.

I guess we'll be subjected to a barrage of this type of guff for the next few years. Below relevant paragraph from a cnn story on moderna's vaccine trial. My emphasis.

The most commonly reported systemic adverse events following second vaccination at the 100-microgram dose were fatigue, among 80%; chills, among 80%; headache, among 60%; and myalgia or muscle pain, among 53%; all of which were transient and mild or moderate in severity, as noted in Moderna's press release.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 11:13PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

I guess we'll be subjected to a barrage of this type of guff for the next few years. Below relevant paragraph from can story on moderna's vaccine trial.

The most commonly reported systemic adverse events following second vaccination at the 100-microgram dose were fatigue, among 80%; chills, among 80%; headache, among 60%; and myalgia or muscle pain, among 53%; all of which were transient and mild or moderate in severity, as noted in Moderna's press release.

So pretty much the same side effects you can get from the flu jab - nothing to worry about.

cnocbui · 15-07-2020 11:14PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Linky?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483

Solicited adverse events that occurred in more than half the participants included fatigue, chills, headache, myalgia, and pain at the injection site. Systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination, particularly with the highest dose, and three participants (21%) in the 250-μg dose group reported one or more severe adverse events.
...
As noted above, one participant in the 25-μg group was withdrawn because of an unsolicited adverse event, transient urticaria, judged to be related to the first vaccination.

After the first vaccination, solicited systemic adverse events were reported by 5 participants (33%) in the 25-μg group, 10 (67%) in the 100-μg group, and 8 (53%) in the 250-μg group; all were mild or moderate in severity (Figure 1 and Table S2). Solicited systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination and occurred in 7 of 13 participants (54%) in the 25-μg group, all 15 in the 100-μg group, and all 14 in the 250-μg group, with 3 of those participants (21%) reporting one or more severe events.

None of the participants had fever after the first vaccination. After the second vaccination, no participants in the 25-μg group, 6 (40%) in the 100-μg group, and 8 (57%) in the 250-μg group reported fever; one of the events (maximum temperature, 39.6°C) in the 250-μg group was graded severe.

Beasty · 15-07-2020 11:14PM

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

I can't remember what it was. I'm just so glad the pubs are closed until the 10th August and Trogan work is being done on the green list.

When you want good government you need FF. The Soldiers of Destiny won't let you down.

No quotes from obscure teen girl films like Varwanker is into.

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Micheal is a great Irish name. None of the blueshirts on here would call their icon Micheal Ó Coileáin 'Meehole'. Oh no they claim their party was his.

Henceforth Varadkar can legitimately be called Varwanker to these tan lovers.

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Do you think if FG were in power from 1997-2011 they'd have dealt better with these issues?

I know you can't prove it but I remember the 80s and the reckless borrowing of FG/Labour. FF and the corrupt, I'll give you that, Haughey led us out of that towards 1994 and the beginning of the Tiger.

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Yeah I'm ranting a bit but it's not anachronistic. In January Charlie Flanagan wanted to celebrate some thugs from English jail's.

History is only ever anachronistic to foolish people who don't learn from the mistakes of the past.

Ae Fond Kiss wrote: »

Look Fritz.

Covid is all encompassing. Government responses, how they react are relevant.

In my few weeks here I've learned your 'back seat moding'. I know you're one of a clique who likes to set the agenda but to me your just little Fritz.

Do not post in this thread again

Everyone else, back to the topic - we have a separate forum for Politics and a Current Affairs forum where other matters of government can be discussed

timsey tiger · 15-07-2020 11:16PM

fritzelly wrote: »

You've only to look at the beaches after the leader basically dismantled his health team and lifted the lockdown - did they really expect it to just go away
Then Oz with it's randy security men

I was referring to "flare up" which seems to trivialise the situation IMO.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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