Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

15-07-2020 08:30PM

GazzaL wrote: »

The proposed mask wearing requirement in shops is complete bull****. Many shops have been open throughout, and infection numbers dropped despite there being no requirement to wear masks in shops. Why is it suddenly necessary to wear a mask when going to buy some groceries in Supervalu?

There was a Doctor on the radio today saying that instead of banging on about masks like they have done for the last few weeks, the Government and NPHET need to simply continue to spread the simple message to social distance and practice good hygiene. The clear, basic message that was pushed when numbers dropped has been forgotten about because some clowns want to force everyone to wear masks.

Well if you were sent here with work last winter and then we went into lockdown what would be the first thing you do after lockdown?

NegativeCreep · 15-07-2020 08:31PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'm sorry I'm confused is R now 1.2 from 16 people cluster in Sligo from Iraq travel

Because the case numbers are so small

Arghus · 15-07-2020 08:31PM

GazzaL wrote: »

They've stopped the social distancing message to go on about masks which only a few weeks ago were said to be both unnecessary and potentially a higher risk if worn incorrectly. Complete bull****, complete stupidity.

They haven't stopped that message. It's constantly repeated - even this evening in the press conference they repeated it. People have stopped listening, that's what has happened.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 08:33PM

The masks aren't great for glasses wearers

thelad95 · 15-07-2020 08:35PM

R number is no longer relevant. Cluster of ten pops up, theoretically gives an R number of 10, all close contacts are traced and tested, isolate for two weeks and recover and this cluster is controlled.

R number is relevant when it's vastly out of control, think late March to early May. When the case number is low and oscillating it makes no sense.

The media at present is nothing short of disgraceful in its over sensationalism. Dublin Live had a headline tonight about how the government is delaying the opening of the pubs due to the arrival of a second wave. Jesus wept.

Jim_Hodge · 15-07-2020 08:35PM

D.Q wrote: »

It's particularly bad when people are mostly in agreement with this being the wrong move.

Just a big negative echo chamber that you have no power to change.

Very annoying

Did a poll did you? So far the feeling I'm getting around here is positive enough and most people willing to give it a few more weeks and the masks issue is no big deal at all.

Depends on who you talk to but don't suppose everybody agrees with you,

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 08:35PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The masks aren't great for glasses wearers

I put the mask slightly under my glasses and they don't fog up. If that doesn't work soak the glasses in washing up liquid and water and leave them dry naturally and then put the mask on and they don't fog either.

pc7 · 15-07-2020 08:36PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The masks aren't great for glasses wearers

Seen a little video today showed 3 ways to help, tissue on inside of mask to catch moisture, put glasses over mask (if you get me) and wash glasses with soapy water. Think it was on Richard Chambers twitter feed.

Strazdas · 15-07-2020 08:37PM

A sneak preview of the 'green list' perhaps. These seven European countries have lower rates of Covid-19 than ourselves :

Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Estonia, Cyprus, Malta

Jim_Hodge · 15-07-2020 08:38PM

GazzaL wrote: »

They've stopped the social distancing message to go on about masks which only a few weeks ago were said to be both unnecessary and potentially a higher risk if worn incorrectly. Complete bull****, complete stupidity.

They're running ads reminding about hand washing, social distancing and face coverings at least once an hour all day on the radio.

robfowler78 · 15-07-2020 08:38PM

At this rate I can't see how we will get through the winter months. Every cold and flu symptom will result in school closures and staff in shops and business having to isolate until a corona test is done.

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-07-2020 08:39PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The masks aren't great for glasses wearers

As ive discovered, a right pain with them fogging up

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-07-2020 08:40PM

pc7 wrote: »

Seen a little video today showed 3 ways to help, tissue on inside of mask to catch moisture, pit glasses over mask (if you get me) and wash glasses with soapy water. Think it was on Richard Chambers twitter feed.

Any link please?

GazzaL · 15-07-2020 08:40PM

Arghus wrote: »

They haven't stopped that message. It's constantly repeated - even this evening in the press conference they repeated it. People have stopped listening, that's what has happened.

It's been completely diluted by the mask bull****.

Jim_Hodge · 15-07-2020 08:40PM

Strazdas wrote: »

A sneak preview of the 'green list' perhaps. These seven European countries have lower rates of Covid-19 than ourselves :

Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Estonia, Cyprus, Malta

Rates as in latest seven day average totals. Cases per 100k?

What's the measure?

KrustyUCC · 15-07-2020 08:41PM

George Lee it's not a set back but a pause lol

The usual BS as it being all about the schools

What Username Guidelines · 15-07-2020 08:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The overall is 1.2 but as I showed from the Sligo cluster little things like that have a massive effect on it. I can imagine the Kerry incident last week had a massive effect on it too.

Exactly, as a pandemic ends, R0 doesn’t actually approach zero, it approaches 1. This is because so few cases will have a heavier effect on the calculation. 500 cases going to 1000 is simply explained as R0 is 2. But a small cluster can inflate the numbers, like 1 cases in sligo infecting 16 makes R0 16. So you’ve got to view it in the context of R0 of 2 vs 16 when new cases are 1000 vs 16.

CalamariFritti · 15-07-2020 08:41PM

robfowler78 wrote: »

At this rate I can't see how we will get through the winter months. Every cold and flu symptom will result in school closures and staff in shops and business having to isolate until a corona test is done.

Thats exactly what's happening in Germany now. Kid sneezes in creche - bang - sent home. Parents just back in work for 3 days now get your kid.

The way we are going right now and what seems to be the mood of the country I'm not sure how we will ever get out of this mess unless there is a full on cure/vaccine/whatever which is not necessary likely. With the previous government at least you had the sense they had a plan and had developed an understanding of the situation.

KathleenGrant · 15-07-2020 08:42PM

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

Stop with the moral high ground nonsense. He wasn't implying it didn't matter, but it is a fact that it hits the elderly in terms of deaths more. And that many dying had serious underlying conditions, which rendered the Covid death figures a bit overstated in terms of historic deaths for the same period in previous years.

Plenty of us have elderly relations who are taking a "we still need to live our lives" approach, and that aren't expecting the whole country to bunker down to permanently protect them.

The moral high ground nonsense....??? The moral high ground that thinks that it hits elderly more but that each elderly person deserves to live as long as they can. Especially because that generation got nothing easy, worked hard for every thing they got and made sacrifices over and above what any of us will ever make?

Plenty of us also have elderly relatives that might not expect "the whole country" to bunker down to protect them but some of us are not selfish enough to think that's ok.

Spanish Eyes · 15-07-2020 08:42PM

Socialising is so yesterday now anyway.

Arghus · 15-07-2020 08:42PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

George Lee it's not a set back but a pause lol

The usual BS as it being all about the schools

BS? Why is it BS, seems that it's obviously enough part of their thinking.

What do you think their hidden motive actually is?

Strazdas · 15-07-2020 08:43PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Rates as in latest seven day average totals. Cases per 100k?

What's the measure?

Countries at or below 4 cases per 100k in the last two weeks (we are 8th on this list btw)

CalamariFritti · 15-07-2020 08:44PM

Arghus wrote: »

BS? Why is it BS, seems that it's obviously enough part of their thinking.

What do you think their hidden motive actually is?

There is none. Never look for malice where incompetence is a sufficient explanation.

Arghus · 15-07-2020 08:46PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's been completely diluted by the mask bull****.

It's repeated loud and clear constantly, but people are deaf to it. People should have the brains to independently realise that social distancing is still required.

But its easier to just bash the authorities, even if it's not true.

robfowler78 · 15-07-2020 08:47PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Thats exactly what's happening in Germany now. Kid sneezes in creche - bang - sent home. Parents just back in work for 3 days now get your kid.

But how long really can it carry on this way. I know people say vaccine but if it doesn't happen I really cant see away out the way things are going.

Minnie Snuggles · 15-07-2020 08:47PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Rates as in latest seven day average totals. Cases per 100k?

What's the measure?

I would hope that the rate of testing in countries would be also taken into consideration.

NegativeCreep · 15-07-2020 08:48PM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Especially because that generation got nothing easy, worked hard for every thing they got and made sacrifices over and above what any of us will ever

That is all nonsense though?

CalamariFritti · 15-07-2020 08:48PM

robfowler78 wrote: »

But how long really can it carry on this way. I know people say vaccine but if it doesn't happen I really cant see away out the way things are going.

Exactly may sentiment. Just edited the previous post. Its going to get ugly yet.

Atlantic Dawn · 15-07-2020 08:48PM

Strazdas wrote: »

A sneak preview of the 'green list' perhaps. These seven European countries have lower rates of Covid-19 than ourselves :

Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Estonia, Cyprus, Malta

I'd rather get my tent and go Courtown if that's the options available

cnocbui · 15-07-2020 08:48PM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

The moral high ground nonsense....??? The moral high ground that thinks that it hits elderly more but that each elderly person deserves to live as long as they can. Especially because that generation got nothing easy, worked hard for every thing they got and made sacrifices over and above what any of us will ever make?

Plenty of us also have elderly relatives that might not expect "the whole country" to bunker down to protect them but some of us are not selfish enough to think that's ok.

It's not a zero-sum game. To what degree do you think the lives of younger people should be ruined in order for the old to not have to cocoon?

How many years do we consign everyone who worked in tourism to joblessness, and keep children out of schools?

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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