Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Sam Russell · 15-07-2020 08:12PM

I was over in St Vincent's University Hospital A&E dept (not as a patient) and see it is back to normal - like a zoo with people every where with no room to social distance.

In the main hospital lots not wearing masks.

Things are beginning to look like the pandemic and the panic is over - only it is not safe yet lo let our guard down.

The pubs not opening is a temporary reprieve.

BringBackMick · 15-07-2020 08:12PM

Today was the day that marked people not giving a damn.

Arrest me idiots for flying back from Europe. Absolute insanity.

Fiery mutant · 15-07-2020 08:12PM

Is the compulsory mask thing with immediate effect?

NegativeCreep · 15-07-2020 08:13PM

youandme13 wrote: »

The R number is now between 1.2 to 1.8, a big jump!!

Considering the false positive rate for the coronavirus test, the amount of testing we’re doing and the low number of cases I can’t see how they’re accurately predicting the R0. Hint: they’re not.

Won’t stop the government and the media reporting on any “increase” though.

15-07-2020 08:13PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Lots visiting tourist spots in Ireland by all accounts whether coming by air or down NI border

Or maybe they are some of the 40,000 Americans who live here. Anecdotes are not facts

Level 42 · 15-07-2020 08:13PM

I can't believe fianna fail and the greens who bankrupted the country are making decisions

robfowler78 · 15-07-2020 08:14PM

Boggles wrote: »

They have clusterfooked the messaging on masks.

But all shops have not been open all along, the majority of them have only been open less than a month.

Supermarkets are a very different experience now than they were 1-2 months ago.

Where it is was one per trolley get in and get out, now it's families making it an event.

The more masks the better, the evidence is clear.

Yeah more shops are open and more people about makes sense. You could argue that the rate of infection was much higher in the first few weeks then it is now aswell and no masks. Im not to bothered about wearing masks I'm more asking about the confusion about it. Even now as it's mandatory it still seems like the regulations havnt been agreed yet. Just seems to me they have long enough to get their message out.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 08:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you know they didn’t quarantine? How many cases have NZ had from travel in the last 6 weeks?

True I don't know if they did or not, we need proper enforced quarantine

Duke of Url · 15-07-2020 08:15PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I am going away for a while folks.

Just ignoring any government advice etc unless enforced. My brain is literally about to explode with angst and whatever so switch off is needed.

There are no direct signal from MM and this dithering Health Minister.

I really need to step away from caring or will damage my mental well being for a long time.

Sounds like someone is in need of a Pint..............Oh wait.....

Hurrache · 15-07-2020 08:15PM

Level 42 wrote: »

I can't believe fianna fail and the greens who bankrupted the country are making decisions

Obligatory 'Sinn Fein are in agreement with the decision' post.

Renjit · 15-07-2020 08:16PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Shoplifters will be out in force now with wearing masks in shops

More Ninjas too

Arghus · 15-07-2020 08:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Compare that infection rate per 100,000 to the rest of Europe! Did Germany reverse course after the meat factory rise?

Sure, but our rate is increasing, not decreasing. Every time we moved through a phase we were decreasing. That's why a pause makes perfect sense.

What Germany did is irrelevant. They have a far more robust health system, they had, proportion wise, a far less severe outbreak and have also mandated the wearing of masks since April 22nd.

Atlantic Dawn · 15-07-2020 08:18PM

RTE news just announced that civil servants who leave the country for non essential travel will have to take 2 weeks annual/unpaid leave when they return to isolate. That will go down well with unions

GazzaL · 15-07-2020 08:18PM

The proposed mask wearing requirement in shops is complete bull****. Many shops have been open throughout, and infection numbers dropped despite there being no requirement to wear masks in shops. Why is it suddenly necessary to wear a mask when going to buy some groceries in Supervalu?

There was a Doctor on the radio today saying that instead of banging on about masks like they have done for the last few weeks, the Government and NPHET need to simply continue to spread the simple message to social distance and practice good hygiene. The clear, basic message that was pushed when numbers dropped has been forgotten about because some clowns want to force everyone to wear masks.

Renjit · 15-07-2020 08:18PM

Arghus wrote: »

And you don't usually have to roar your order for two pairs of jocks directly into the face of your server.

I can't hear what you are saying under this background noise :pac:

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 08:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or maybe they are some of the 40,000 Americans who live here. Anecdotes are not facts

Who decide now to visit Cliffs of Moher, Guinness Storehouse, Carroll's Gift Shops and English Market etc.,

Captain Pillowcase · 15-07-2020 08:20PM

In one local Lidl last night, couple wearing masks literally on top of me at the till. I was on the 2m marker from the till, person in front of me on their dot gathering up shopping but these two? They just had to unload their shop but its okay they had on masks so they can stand on top of you!!! This is just one example. So while agree social distancing is reducing among people I have myself found that most I have come across in shops breaking the 2m are those wearing masks (this is just my opinion and not a statistic just giving my pov)

Its the ditthering and back and forth coupled with lack of clarity that makes me angry. The scare tactics, the finger wagging at people trying to get their lives back, no questioning of experts from the media in any meaningful way.

Also @Christy42 its not just pubs, I have had a friend fold a business recently which was destroyed in the closure of events another is close to shutting up shop. I am not reliant on pubs which I stated, its the killing of livelihoods, the shutting of social outlets for small communities which for some in rural areas was the heart of the community. Its not about the drink, its being with friends, talking, having an outlet, people to talk to its the human interaction which some don't have at home. Its not about being reliant on drink its the loss of interactions. And for me its the loss of my usual freedoms, my life on hold. There is so much more I could rant about (screenings or lack of, education etc) but I think if I took that particular stopper out I would be angry for the night.

TOMs WIFE · 15-07-2020 08:20PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Bear in mind the average age of those who have died and the likely comorbidities. Some of them could have been sick for quite some time.

KathleenGrant wrote: »

And their age makes it ok? Doesn't matter that they might have lived longer without virus, just that their time should be up?

Stop with the moral high ground nonsense. He wasn't implying it didn't matter, but it is a fact that it hits the elderly in terms of deaths more. And that many dying had serious underlying conditions, which rendered the Covid death figures a bit overstated in terms of historic deaths for the same period in previous years.

Plenty of us have elderly relations who are taking a "we still need to live our lives" approach, and that aren't expecting the whole country to bunker down to permanently protect them.

Santy2015 · 15-07-2020 08:22PM

Over and out for a while. I’ve read enough and have deleted news apps off my phone as well. Never anything positive on any media outlet.
Now I’m going to eat my feelings with a full pack of chocolate digestives and a cup of tea to help get rid of the anger!!

Renjit · 15-07-2020 08:22PM

GazzaL wrote: »

The proposed mask wearing requirement in shops is complete bull****. Many shops have been open throughout, and infection numbers dropped despite there being no requirement to wear masks in shops. Why is it suddenly necessary to wear a mask when going to buy some groceries in Supervalu?

With more people resuming back to normal with no social distancing (something I have observed on my recent visits), wearing mask makes sense. Unless you are ok to not consider safety of others. In that case, it's complete bull💩

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 08:22PM

Friendly reminder that the r-rate of the cluster in Sligo was about 16, in basic terms.
It means very little when the numbers are this small.

GazzaL · 15-07-2020 08:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friendly reminder that the r-rate of the cluster in Sligo was about 16, in basic terms.
It means very little when the numbers are this small.

That's the problem with headline numbers, they're very misleading. Great for the media, madness for the Government to be basing policy decisions on.

15-07-2020 08:26PM

Arghus wrote: »

Sure, but our rate is increasing, not decreasing. Every time we moved through a phase we were decreasing. That's why a pause makes perfect sense.

What Germany did is irrelevant. They have a far more robust health system, they had, proportion wise, a far less severe outbreak and have also mandated the wearing of masks since April 22nd.

Our health system performed very well apart from isolating care homes. Death rate is hospitals here was at the lower end. . My own view is until we are at close to 100 cases a day are we not at position where we need to be worried. Countries that opened before we did saw skies and did not over react, and stabilised again. You also have to remember 20 cases a day in March was probably really 200 because we could not test enough

GazzaL · 15-07-2020 08:27PM

Renjit wrote: »

With more people resuming back to normal with no social distancing (something I have observed on my recent visits), wearing mask makes sense. Unless you are ok to not consider safety of others. In that case, it's complete bull💩

They've stopped the social distancing message to go on about masks which only a few weeks ago were said to be both unnecessary and potentially a higher risk if worn incorrectly. Complete bull****, complete stupidity.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 08:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friendly reminder that the r-rate of the cluster in Sligo was about 16, in basic terms.
It means very little when the numbers are this small.

I'm sorry I'm confused is R now 1.2 from 16 people cluster in Sligo from Iraq travel

Arghus · 15-07-2020 08:29PM

Renjit wrote: »

With more people resuming back to normal with no social distancing (something I have observed on my recent visits), wearing mask makes sense. Unless you are ok to not consider safety of others. In that case, it's complete bull💩

That's it really. Most people weren't wearing masks, but for a long while they were taking other precautions.

Now streets, shopping centres and shops are nearly as full as they always were. If people want things to be as normalised as this, then they'll have to expect masks.

Stheno · 15-07-2020 08:30PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'm sorry I'm confused is R now 1.2 from 16 people cluster in Sligo from Iraq travel

Due to the overall numbers the cluster in Sligo and the Kerry house party will have disproportionately increased the r number

D.Q · 15-07-2020 08:30PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I am going away for a while folks.

Just ignoring any government advice etc unless enforced. My brain is literally about to explode with angst and whatever so switch off is needed.

There are no direct signal from MM and this dithering Health Minister.

I really need to step away from caring or will damage my mental well being for a long time.

Haha this is exactly how I feel about it.

It's particularly bad when people are mostly in agreement with this being the wrong move.

Just a big negative echo chamber that you have no power to change.

Very annoying

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 08:30PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'm sorry I'm confused is R now 1.2 from 16 people cluster in Sligo from Iraq travel

The overall is 1.2 but as I showed from the Sligo cluster little things like that have a massive effect on it. I can imagine the Kerry incident last week had a massive effect on it too.

Level 42 · 15-07-2020 08:30PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

RTE news just announced that civil servants who leave the country for non essential travel will have to take 2 weeks annual/unpaid leave when they return to isolate. That will go down well with unions

Paddy can't go anywhere but bring in the yanks no bother

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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