Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

D.Q · 15-07-2020 07:46PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Most incoherent and embarassing display from an Irish Leader in many years...

I think we need to just put our heads down for 2 years!

He's beyond useless. Snivelling, moist eyed, gammon faced cretin. The absolute embodiment of modern Irish politics.

There will be committees, enquiries, and tribunals on the way. Just keep cashing the cheques and kicking the can down the road until he can retire with his pension.

Stheno · 15-07-2020 07:46PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Have McDonald's actually opened up anywhere for eat in yet anyway? And you don't tend to hang around Penney's for any length of time.

In my local Penny's youd to queue for an hour for the till the first week it opened

ceadaoin. · 15-07-2020 07:49PM

Strumms wrote: »

How many countries in Europe are as pub centric, depending etc and have pub life at the very epicenter of their social scene to the same extent as we do ? Not many.

Plenty are. France for example, cafes are fairly central to life and serve the same function as a pub. Italy and Spain are similar. How are they getting on?

Boggles · 15-07-2020 07:50PM

autumnbelle wrote: »

Cannot understand the reasoning behind a small rural pub having to remain closed but you can go to penny’s or McDonald’s and have bigger crowds

McDonalds is drive through only.

It's been a while since I have been in Penny's but I don't think you are allowed to skull pints.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 07:52PM

autumnbelle wrote: »

Cannot understand the reasoning behind a small rural pub having to remain closed but you can go to penny’s or McDonald’s and have bigger crowds

Healy Raes won't like rural pubs still closed

hmmm · 15-07-2020 07:55PM

Arghus wrote: »

Yes, I too found that to be a bit concerning. They didn't make too much of it, but it felt like a reminder that they're not entirely sure about how the virus is circulating.

I certainly got the feeling that they're a bit more concerned then they'll say outright.

I thought it was simply an event to stop the proliferation of house parties. It's one thing for teenagers to be doing it, but I know of several local birthday parties, barbecues and other get-togethers which have been thrown by adults. We need to put a stop to this, it's perfect for spread of the virus.

Coillte_Bhoy · 15-07-2020 07:55PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I did read a post where someone said a pub was using a local café to supply the food. Nice symbiosis!

I know a pub doing that. In fairness they are offering a proper menu, not just sausages and chips etc

theballz · 15-07-2020 07:57PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Plenty are. France for example, cafes are fairly central to life and serve the same function as a pub. Italy and Spain are similar. How are they getting on?

Comparing going for a coffee to alcohol is nonsensical. Grow up.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 07:57PM

Boggles wrote: »

McDonalds is drive through only.

It's been a while since I have been in Penny's but I don't think you are allowed to skull pints.

I think McDonalds and Supermacs are now open for sit down also

Captain Pillowcase · 15-07-2020 07:58PM

Shops have been open through this whole mess with no masks. Is this a case of the UK sneezed and we caught the cold? Will stick to shopping online, I won't be wearing a mask to a shop, have tried but just made my breathing worse (I have asthma and it was too hard to breathe)

I almost feels like they are trying to bring about the closure of more businesses. 3 Weeks more can destroy more businesses, more job losses. And before anyone asks, no I am not dying to get back to a pub, couldn't tell you the last time I was in one not a drinker. But I know a few people who now think their jobs are gone for good.

Americans etc can come in, sign a form but hit the town straight away and mosey on about the place regardless and yet we get told to stay home holiday at home or we will bring on a second wave and kill all the grannies.

With the tests and the results, are these all from the past 24 hours or are these some delayed results? Is the increase in numbers from more testing? What is the actual R number? How many of these cases were sick or were they symptomless?

ednwireland · 15-07-2020 07:59PM

so let me see

the cases are health workers

travel

and allegedly house parties

potentially tourists from covid hotspots

yet our governments answer is wear masks in shops

dont travel

and dont enforce quarantine

im really failing to understand the logic

Goldengirl · 15-07-2020 08:00PM

Strazdas wrote: »

There's no evidence Americans are coming here in big numbers. All we've seen is Irish people ranting about the subject on social media with no knowledge of what is actually happening.

Just back from a few days in Kerry .
We were starting to dread it, reading about all the hordes of Americans down South , travelling around , spreading the virus.

There were none to be seen .

Talking to 2 taxi men, 1 publican , a hotelier , a boat man and 3 waitresses ...no Americsns this year, no busloads, just one family that didn't isolate and are now in quarantine .
Only Irish people holidaying, making up in part for the loss of income , with some travellers from the North , all behaving as per the rules .

What we did see however were a lot of 20 year olds coming down from Dublin , no social distancing , heading to a very big house party .
Some were very loud and shouty , others looked embarrassed , were wearing masks.

That is my experience and what I was told , but of course others may have had a different experience .

BringBackMick · 15-07-2020 08:02PM

I am going away for a while folks.

Just ignoring any government advice etc unless enforced. My brain is literally about to explode with angst and whatever so switch off is needed.

There are no direct signal from MM and this dithering Health Minister.

I really need to step away from caring or will damage my mental well being for a long time.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 08:04PM

Bring back Leo and Simon Harris, they can even do the briefing shirtless from Phoenix Park

robfowler78 · 15-07-2020 08:04PM

The whole mask thing is a mess at the start it wasn't recommended now it is recommended. And to make it mandatory in shops which have been open all along just seems odd. Either it is or isn't required but they need to be clear.

Boggles · 15-07-2020 08:04PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I am going away for a while folks.

Ah. Okay. Have a good one.

Some would say we barely knew you.

Christy42 · 15-07-2020 08:06PM

Captain Pillowcase wrote: »

Shops have been open through this whole mess with no masks. Is this a case of the UK sneezed and we caught the cold? Will stick to shopping online, I won't be wearing a mask to a shop, have tried but just made my breathing worse (I have asthma and it was too hard to breathe)

I almost feels like they are trying to bring about the closure of more businesses. 3 Weeks more can destroy more businesses, more job losses. And before anyone asks, no I am not dying to get back to a pub, couldn't tell you the last time I was in one not a drinker. But I know a few people who now think their jobs are gone for good.

Americans etc can come in, sign a form but hit the town straight away and mosey on about the place regardless and yet we get told to stay home holiday at home or we will bring on a second wave and kill all the grannies.

With the tests and the results, are these all from the past 24 hours or are these some delayed results? Is the increase in numbers from more testing? What is the actual R number? How many of these cases were sick or were they symptomless?

Note that this was the original date for pubs before it was moved forward. They should have just left stage 4 at the same date and moved stage 3 up when they did and no one would complain! Pubs should have had an idea of this when this was original date. Obviously a lot from the public purse will be needed to fix this and to try reinvigorate the industries afterwards.

I agree on people traveling from hotspots need to be quarantined. Granted this will also kill a lot of small businesses which you are so against for the pubs. Are we really that reliant on the pub industry?

Level 42 · 15-07-2020 08:06PM

Nanny Republic.
Numbers now won't get any lower

Arghus · 15-07-2020 08:06PM

Captain Pillowcase wrote: »

Shops have been open through this whole mess with no masks. Is this a case of the UK sneezed and we caught the cold? Will stick to shopping online, I won't be wearing a mask to a shop, have tried but just made my breathing worse (I have asthma and it was too hard to breathe)

Some shops have been open through this whole mess and there hasn't been mandatory mask wearing. But there was also a lot less people around, more heed paid to social distancing and there was plenty of other establishments shut. As there's more and more people out and about, social distancing is rapidly disappearing and most shops open then masks become even more important.

youandme13 · 15-07-2020 08:08PM

The R number is now between 1.2 to 1.8, a big jump!!

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 08:08PM

Shoplifters will be out in force now with wearing masks in shops

Boggles · 15-07-2020 08:08PM

robfowler78 wrote: »

The whole mask thing is a mess at the start it wasn't recommended now it is recommended. And to make it mandatory in shops which have been open all along just seems odd. Either it is or isn't required but they need to be clear.

They have clusterfooked the messaging on masks.

But all shops have not been open all along, the majority of them have only been open less than a month.

Supermarkets are a very different experience now than they were 1-2 months ago.

Where it is was one per trolley get in and get out, now it's families making it an event.

The more masks the better, the evidence is clear.

15-07-2020 08:09PM

Arghus wrote: »

Doctor Glynn said there in the briefing that the confirmed infection rate is up to 3.9 per 100,000 from 2.5 a fortnight ago. Every other time we went from phase to phase that number was decreasing, not increasing.

Okay, you might say that is down to increased testing, but it's hard to say definitively if we're starting to see a trend emerging or not about the spread of the virus in the community as a result of phases opening and people moving about in greater numbers and in general being much more lax then they were a few weeks ago.

So given that uncertainty, would you not think it's a sensible approach to wait until the infection rate has stabilised or is even declining before you decide to plough ahead with opening up the pubs - where you can guarantee close contact between people, plenty of shouting and roaring into each other's faces and a drink fueled complete lack of social distancing.

Compare that infection rate per 100,000 to the rest of Europe! Did Germany reverse course after the meat factory rise?

ceadaoin. · 15-07-2020 08:10PM

theballz wrote: »

Comparing going for a coffee to alcohol is nonsensical. Grow up.

people consume alcohol in french cafes. They are a social outlet the same as pubs in ireland and central to community life. Bars serve the same purpose in spain also.

landofthetree · 15-07-2020 08:10PM

The idea that pubs and nightclubs can open before a vaccine (or a NZ style lockdown with the aim of eliminating the virus) isnt realistic. The publicans need to be told this.

The idea that we can borrow 30 billion this year and have no austerity isn't realistic. Yet every TD in the Dail thinks otherwise.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 08:10PM

youandme13 wrote: »

The R number is now between 1.2 to 1.8, a big jump!!

And meaningless with such small case numbers

Level 42 · 15-07-2020 08:10PM

Yanks and the UK heads all over the place not being checked our response deny paddy a pint bullsh1t

BringBackMick · 15-07-2020 08:11PM

Boggles wrote: »

Ah. Okay. Have a good one.

Some would say we barely knew you.

Thanks for your support buddy. I hoppy MM and MM get on well.... disaster.

15-07-2020 08:11PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

4 too many, no quarantine

Do you know they didn’t quarantine? How many cases have NZ had from travel in the last 6 weeks?

Arghus · 15-07-2020 08:12PM

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Except you probably won't be intoxicated in Penney's or McDonalds.

And you don't usually have to roar your order for two pairs of jocks directly into the face of your server.

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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