Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

ShineOn7 · 15-07-2020 05:57PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

One of my colleagues was down in Dingle this weekend , he lives in Kerry. Said the place had a load of American tourists wandering around, all the locals on edge, couldnt enjoy a meal or anything.

God help the Americans when they start going around Dublin like that

We tend to be a lot more blunt in the capital

Arghus · 15-07-2020 05:57PM

Boggles wrote: »

The pattern has changed, the majority of the spread is now in the community.

The 0.3% positive rate is a somewhat false figure.

Proactive testing has been ramped up in care homes, hospitals, medical centers, etc.

The real figure which I'm sure NPHET have is community testing positive rate.

The reality is they didn't recommend against phase 4 opening for the craic, they see something they don't like and I imagine it is the positivity rate in the community.

Again all these infections took place up 14 days ago or beyond.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 05:59PM

Be right back wrote: »

Or they sell 5 for a fiver, reusable ones.

In Dunnes too?

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 05:59PM

No green list due for Monday now either. Being pushed out again

wadacrack · 15-07-2020 05:59PM

Today a stark reminder that we need to try the new Covid approach as seen in New Zealand.

Be right back · 15-07-2020 05:59PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I think the 5 for €5 are disposable masks

These are the ones I got.

US2 · 15-07-2020 05:59PM

I can book a flight over to London which is riddled, for 15 quid, get plastered in the pub then come back again. Absolutely bonkers.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 06:00PM

Has the government made any decision on flights incoming from Covid hot spots, forced quarantine?

Santy2015 · 15-07-2020 06:00PM

Summer is over!! Christ 2020 needs to F**k right off

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 06:00PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No green list due for Monday now either. Being pushed out again

Seriously............ this is a joke now surely

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 06:00PM

Be right back wrote: »

These are the ones I got.

In Dunnes?

Be right back · 15-07-2020 06:01PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

In Dunnes?

Yep, Dunnes.

Arghus · 15-07-2020 06:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They have all the data they need.

The decision should have been obvious.

You mean the data that shows an average increase in the rate of daily positive cases and a rising R number? That data?

What would your suggestion be? Ignore that information and just go for it? Sure, if it's the wrong approach - what are the consequences, right?

Arghus · 15-07-2020 06:04PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Why wait until this late to do it if it was so obvious. I thought the 3 weeks between phases was supposed to be enough time to see a trend, is it now 6 weeks.

But, there is a trend?

the corpo · 15-07-2020 06:04PM

I don't disagree with the decision, but just a little sickened at the damage it's doing. I'm a musician, already hard enough for small bands to find decent pub venues to play, how few will there be left whenever life does get to return to normal? Just desperately sad.

BringBackMick · 15-07-2020 06:05PM

We cant open pubs at this rate???

Are they actually nuts?

This is obscene

They are deluded

BringBackMick · 15-07-2020 06:06PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No green list due for Monday now either. Being pushed out again

Whered you hear this?

Can we get an election anytime soon and get rid of this shower?

Duke of Url · 15-07-2020 06:06PM

With such low numbers confirmed for the past few weeks and still deaths being listed is concerning.

JP Liz V1 · 15-07-2020 06:06PM

Is it just pubs not opening, what else was phase 4, cinemas?

niallo27 · 15-07-2020 06:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

The pattern has changed, the majority of the spread is now in the community.

The 0.3% positive rate is a somewhat false figure.

Proactive testing has been ramped up in care homes, hospitals, medical centers, etc.

The real figure which I'm sure NPHET have is community testing positive rate.

The reality is they didn't recommend against phase 4 opening for the craic, they see something they don't like and I imagine it is the positivity rate in the community.

Again all these infections took place up 14 days ago or beyond.

Of course they didn't do it for the craic but they will always recommend locking down. I'm sure they would recommend phase 1 if they could.

fineso.mom · 15-07-2020 06:08PM

I was in Dingle Monday, passed through early, did the Slea head drive and the plan was to come back for lunch and a walk around. Well the crowds on the street were so bad, I just kept going. I actually felt so sad that I kept to all the rules, hadn't set foot outside Limerick county for months, and then when I finally get to Kerry it just felt unsafe.
And I know that technically I was a tourist too but the people I saw were very obviously American and English tourists.

KathleenGrant · 15-07-2020 06:08PM

US2 wrote: »

I can book a flight over to London which is riddled, for 15 quid, get plastered in the pub then come back again. Absolutely bonkers.

Well go ahead then.
You can also buy alcohol in off-licences, supermarkets and a lot of service stations.
It's not like people are being deprived of alcohol, just a delay on opening pubs.
Get over it.

Christy42 · 15-07-2020 06:08PM

US2 wrote: »

I can book a flight over to London which is riddled, for 15 quid, get plastered in the pub then come back again. Absolutely bonkers.

On your bike then. Let us know how you get on.

Itssoeasy · 15-07-2020 06:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I honestly think today's decision was a kneejerk reaction to yesterday's figure.

Well that's the only reason that I can think might have delayed the reopening but yourself and others(very much appreciate btw) have gone below the daily headline numbers and shown the trends and how a number of cases on one day isn't telling the whole picture.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 06:09PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

With such low numbers confirmed for the past few weeks and still deaths being listed is concerning.

Bear in mind the average age of those who have died and the likely comorbidities. Some of them could have been sick for quite some time.

15-07-2020 06:10PM

Arghus wrote: »

You mean the data that shows an average increase in the rate of daily positive cases and a rising R number? That data?

What would your suggestion be? Ignore that information and just go for it? Sure, if it's the wrong approach - what are the consequences, right?

You realise we doubled the number of tests we are carrying out?

Numbers increased very slightly. 11 on Monday, 14 today. Possibly 18 yesterday without the backlog added.

I can’t see it possibly been different in 3 weeks. Maybe we should just wait for the vaccine? Or our resources to run out.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 06:10PM

Arghus wrote: »

You mean the data that shows an average increase in the rate of daily positive cases and a rising R number? That data?

What would your suggestion be? Ignore that information and just go for it? Sure, if it's the wrong approach - what are the consequences, right?

You relaise how R works yes ?? Drop a cluster of cases into it on a low data set and it rockets. That cluster of 15 in Killarney would have sent it through the roof.

Likewise the Sligo and Leitrim clusters.

As Prof Nolan said time and time again R is now not accurate as a measure of spread in the country.

As for the increase in cases, 6000+ extra tests per day finding on average 10 extra cases.

See where I'm going with this ?? So we do 6k extra tests, find on average 10 extra cases and say put the breaks on reopening, for what exactly.

Did you really think that opening up would see us staying at under 10 cases per day ??

So what changes in 3 weeks time.

BringBackMick · 15-07-2020 06:11PM

Is there any confirmation they are dumping the green list? If so Im done with this country.

Boggles · 15-07-2020 06:11PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is it just pubs not opening, what else was phase 4, cinemas?

Cinemas were phase 3.

Most of the summer movies have been moved to the autumn though.

They operate at low capacity anyway so shouldn't have a problem reopening, apart from lack of stuff to show.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 06:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Seriously............ this is a joke now surely

was mentioned on RTE, hadn't been confirmed but the usual 'government sources'

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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