Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

ZX7R · 15-07-2020 05:21PM

polesheep wrote: »

Maybe adopt the old East German approach; rat on your neighbours when they have a house party. I'll repeat it again, they are rapidly losing the people.

Irish stasi

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 05:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

Where has testing increased?

Has it increased 3 fold in the community?

Or has testing being ramped up in hospitals, care homes, etc?

Context is key.

It's fairly commonly reported that all nursing home residents and staff are being tested weekly for the next month

polesheep · 15-07-2020 05:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Then why on earth are we pushing a phase back 3 weeks

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1283449299343376389?s=19

Leo playing a blinder. He has gone up in my estimation.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 05:22PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

For one thing we will see where the numbers go over the next 3 weeks. (FWIW I would allow beer gardens to reopen now). But I do know for a fact that folks who have a few drinks in a pub / house situation will revert to hugs and no social distancing (and shouting loud to get over the music). 9 euro wings in a "restaurant" does seem to prevent that?

Utter crap, its the distancing, table service , no moving around the pub that prevents that not a €9 bowl of chicken wings. There's already music on in places, are the wings stopping me talking to people.

You're assuming here that everywhere that opens is opening without any of these measures in place.

Sofa King Great · 15-07-2020 05:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

Isn't there around 30 new clusters in private homes the past few days?

Pandemic 101, don't ignore anything.

How few cases do you think we should have before we move forward? The difference between 15 and 30 as a percentage of a 4.5m population is statistically insignificant

Assetbacked · 15-07-2020 05:22PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Pretty silly reply.

I've seen it in pubs since phase 3 came in. There is no social distancing and people are getting just as drunk as before. No 9 quid's worth of food is stopping it.

The increase in cases is due to a house party, not restaurants reopening. Pubs aren't even open, just restaurants and places doing food.

We have a government that no one actually wanted trying to find its feet after months of no government, so it seems that the utter ****show with our reopening is due to this. We are not isolated from Europe as we share a land border with the UK which has reopened. In any event, our numbers are not any better than other EU countries yet we have decided to go extra slow. It is just madness and highlights something wrong with our government situation.

Boggles · 15-07-2020 05:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's fairly commonly reported that all nursing home residents and staff are being tested weekly for the next month

Has testing in the community increased 3 fold?

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 05:22PM

The cynic in me questions why we suddenly have a backlog in cases come through the day before a cabinet meeting..........

The HorsesMouth · 15-07-2020 05:22PM

Sorry what is going on here? There has to be something else...
Every other EU county plus the UK have pubs open!
This is farcical.

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 05:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

Has testing in the community increased 3 fold?

Testing as a whole has increased due to nursing homes, contacts and the fact you'll be offered a test if you've a pain in your foot at this stage

fleet_admiral · 15-07-2020 05:23PM

Publicans I know, many of whom have fully stocked their cold rooms in anticipation of opening next Monday are lost for words. A few have done full cash and carry orders too. This delay to August is going to wipe out already barely there pubs

Arghus · 15-07-2020 05:23PM

Think the pubs was the right decision.

It's hard to say whether there's a trend emerging of rising numbers, if there isn't we'll have greater understanding in three weeks and then the pubs can be opened, hopefully.

If there is a definite trend emerging of rising cases then it'd be absolutely stupid to throw open the doors of the pubs right at the moment numbers are on the rise. The very nature of pubs and their central role in Irish social life is bound to make them a contributing factor to further spread. A lot of people on here are in denial about this.

A bit of caution while there's uncertainty about the progression and spread of the virus at a delicate time is, on balance, better than just taking a chance - only to find out after the fact that it was a dumb move.

Renjit · 15-07-2020 05:23PM

Interestingly, death count is still low in Israel while the infection count is increasing.

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 05:24PM

The VFI are not happy to say the least

fleet_admiral · 15-07-2020 05:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The VFI are not happy to say the least

Neither are the LVA

Spanish Eyes · 15-07-2020 05:25PM

At last FF and MM had to make a decision. And this is what they do. But hey ho, after the drink driving debacle they had no choice lol.

So we are told not to travel abroad, not allowed to go for a drink (without food), must wear facemasks, and continue to allow Fat Jack from Dallas in to say hi.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 05:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The VFI are not happy to say the least

Well, they've been absolutely blindsided.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 05:25PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

I was at a restaurant for the first time and no one took my details (and pubs aren't open yet).

House parties the hosts know everyone?

The host knows everyone ?? Have you been to a house party. Someone else invites someone else etc

Assetbacked · 15-07-2020 05:26PM

Arghus wrote: »

Think the pubs was the right decision.

It's hard to say whether there's a trend emerging of rising numbers, if there isn't we'll have greater understanding in three weeks and then the pubs can be opened, hopefully.

If there is a definite trend emerging of rising cases then it'd be absolutely stupid to throw open the doors of the pubs right at the moment numbers are on the rise. The very nature of pubs and their central role in Irish social life is bound to make them a contributing factor to further spread. A lot of people on here are in denial about this.

A bit of caution while there's uncertainty about the progression and spread of the virus at a delicate time is, on balance, better than just taking a chance - only to find out after the fact that it was a dumb move.

Cases were expected to rise but our government are bowing down to head cases in the NPHET who are purely concerned about eradicating the virus and not simply managing it. This disconnect between just flattening the curve and crushing it entirely appeared from a lack of a government backbone to actually take a position and say "actually, we need to reopen in line with other countries that have similarly suppressed the virus in the community".

It is a stereotype that the smartest and brightest go into the private sector but it is dramatically on show with respect to the handling of this crisis. Arts degrees and teachers running around like headless chickens in politics and the civil service.

Arghus · 15-07-2020 05:26PM

Renjit wrote: »

Interestingly, death count is still low in Israel while the infection count is increasing.

The death count lags behind the infection count for several weeks. People get infected, but then die further on down the line.

Trump is sticking to the line that deaths have stayed low despite infection numbers in the US. That will change in the coming weeks.

iamwhoiam · 15-07-2020 05:26PM

I have absolutely no problem with pubs and clubs remaining closed . Although In my opinion it should then be logical to keep Americans out of the country .
We need schools open so keeping numbers down is vital to do that . So if that means keeping pubs closed then so be it .
Our children’s education is more important

Boggles · 15-07-2020 05:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Testing as a whole has increased due to nursing homes, contacts and the fact you'll be offered a test if you've a pain in your foot at this stage

So that's a no, testing in the community has not increased 3 fold and the increase in testing is attributed to proactive testing of care facilities or mandatory testing if you need an operation, etc.

So the real figure to gauge how the virus is spreading in the community is, what is the positivity rate for community testing.

Higher than .3% i imagine.

Atlantic Dawn · 15-07-2020 05:27PM

Arghus wrote: »

Think the pubs was the right decision.

It's hard to say whether there's a trend emerging of rising numbers, if there isn't we'll have greater understanding in three weeks and then the pubs can be opened, hopefully.

If there is a definite trend emerging of rising cases then it'd be absolutely stupid to throw open the doors of the pubs right at the moment numbers are on the rise. The very nature of pubs and their central role in Irish social life is bound to make them a contributing factor to further spread. A lot of people on here are in denial about this.

A bit of caution while there's uncertainty about the progression and spread of the virus at a delicate time is, on balance, better than just taking a chance - only to find out after the fact that it was a dumb move.

Yes we best wait for the magical vaccine :rolleyes:

The fact is this isn't going away for the next 3 years plus, it is not possible to bring the level to zero in this country, you simply control the risk while sustaining an economy and life. A better approach might be ban anyone over 55 visiting a pub if it's deaths and ICU visits you were worried about.

Gruffalux · 15-07-2020 05:28PM

I am getting a sort of vague feeling here that people really like pubs. Don't know. Could be wrong.

fleet_admiral · 15-07-2020 05:28PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have absolutely no problem with pubs and clubs remaining closed . Although In my opinion it should then be logical to keep Americans out of the country .
We need schools open so keeping numbers down is vital to do that . So if that means keeping pubs closed then so be it .
Our children’s education is more important

A lot of people won't be able to afford to educate their children if they don't get back to work soon in pubs. I include myself in that

Spanish Eyes · 15-07-2020 05:30PM

Vintners power is waning. Am not sad about that, but hope the bar workers continue to get their Covid payment.

Schools should be the priority for sure now.

Rob A. Bank · 15-07-2020 05:30PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

Any thing of an update regarding this mythical green list next Monday?

It is beyond ridiculous at this stage.

Dr Phillip Nolan confirmed a case from the USA on 29/6 and we still have Texans slobbering their saliva and mucous all over the place. (Texas 11,060 new cases yesterday and 285,772 cases overall)

Absolutely no signs of urgency as Irish businesses worry about having contact with them.

"Irish restauranteur JP McMahon wrote on Twitter that staff in his Galway restaurant Cava Bodega were "very uncomfortable" as a group of people from Texas dined in their restaurant.

"We have no way of knowing if they just arrived and should be self-quarantining," he wrote.

"We need a decision on this, particularly if people are coming from places with high cases.""

American tourists openly flouting Ireland's Covid-19 quarantine rules

fleet_admiral · 15-07-2020 05:31PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Vintners power is waning. Am not sad about that, but hope the bar workers continue to get their Covid payment.

Schools should be the priority for sure now.

Isn't the pup ending the same day the pubs are now reopening? What about the pubs that won't be able to afford to open now with the delay.

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 05:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, they've been absolutely blindsided.

I think with the guidelines not out it would have raised some alarms

Elmer Blooker · 15-07-2020 05:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

RTE : The cabinet are discussing house parties.

We are facing economic ruin and the cabinet discuss .......... house parties!

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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