Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

boardise · 15-07-2020 04:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So if I've got this right, we'll get a green list and your free to go to a country on it and roam around, go out for dinner and a few drinks or just a few drinks if you want, come home, no quarantine and go on as normal.

But you can't go to a pub here without a €9 meal.

Any logic there ?

Whatever about what goes on abroad ,publicans themselves are telling us that the advised norms are being egregiously ignored in many bars in Ireland.. This,alas,should come as no surprise.

giveitholly · 15-07-2020 04:46PM

How many countries in Europe still have their pubs closed?

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 04:47PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I wonder we're the 20+ health worker's at house parties

That's an absolute disgrace. No talk about that.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 04:47PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Where's the sense in holding back phase 4 when they are allying people in from hotpots to do as they please? The authorities are recommending self isolation instead of quarantine and the self isolation is not being adhered to. Where is the sense in holding back phase 4 while they are inviting potential covid19 cases into our country to mix with our population?

Also whay are they announcing it now? Its not for on the publicans who were planning on opening next week. There's been barrel deliveries already to some pubs in preparation for next week's opening. A smack in the face for publicans.

A poorly ventilated pub is more of a risk than random travellers. Apparently it's the U35s to blame for this!

KrustyUCC · 15-07-2020 04:47PM

Mícheál Martin just proved he's a political chicken

Cases well in control overall yet pushing back 3 weeks for pubs

Costing the country hundreds of millions

14 cases today

'Awfully high' number... Not

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 04:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Irish government are a subservient lapdog to the American dollar. Very weak leadership.

Well they won't be going to many pubs here unless they get food

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 04:48PM

giveitholly wrote: »

How many countries in Europe still have their pubs closed?

None.

Arghus · 15-07-2020 04:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The endgame is working vaccines and we can see those slowly beginning to emerge. Sure COVID zero would be great but just how long do you persist with it until you realise it can't be done?

To be honest I'm not holding my breath and pinning all my hopes on vaccination.

Obviously, there's been some encouraging signs and there's lots of ongoing work, but there's still no essential guarantee that one will be found and become available for mass production even inside the insanely optimistic time frame of six months, or even a year.

I'm not saying that it won't happen, but I think there needs to be an element of practical realism when talking about vaccines. They are still, at this moment, a bit of a Hail Mary solution. I detect a bit more acknowledgement of this creeping into coverage of the ongoing work.

I just wonder will the attitude towards taking a covid free approach soften if we are still on square one in 6 months or 12 months. It poses huge practical and political issues today. But I wonder how we'll all see things after a potentially dog rough Winter. The one thing we should all remember is that this period has taught us, if it has taught us anything, is that certainty and predictably are both very fallible. A lot of what would have seemed simply "impossible" in January have turned out to be anything but.

schmoo2k · 15-07-2020 04:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So if I've got this right, we'll get a green list and your free to go to a country on it and roam around, go out for dinner and a few drinks or just a few drinks if you want, come home, no quarantine and go on as normal.

But you can't go to a pub here without a €9 meal.

Any logic there ?

The reality is once folks have a few drinks in them, social distancing is gone and as the voice levels rise so does the aerosol spread. With food and tables (or being outside) it does help.

ZX7R · 15-07-2020 04:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That's an absolute disgrace. No talk about that.

Deflection thats all, blame young people easier than to admit they have a clear problem with protecting our health service

D.Q · 15-07-2020 04:50PM

How on earth have we ended up in a situation where Fianna Fail are dictating policy again.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 04:51PM

14 new cases - you'd think we were finding 100's a day the way MM is going

And all the media concentrate on is the 32 yesterday

schmoo2k · 15-07-2020 04:52PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting it also. 3 and a half more weeks.

Can't see the numbers changing dramatically by then. Then again we all know there's going to be more house parties now.

At least with house parties, the contract tracing is easier...

When pubs open (and it could be a regional thang) it would be good insist that folks have the tracking app installed?

Atlantic Dawn · 15-07-2020 04:53PM

I thought the publicans would have had the politicians in their pockets, clearly the world has gone completely mad.

ZX7R · 15-07-2020 04:53PM

D.Q wrote: »

How on earth have we ended up in a situation where Fianna Fail are dictating policy again.

It's a novil virus it works in a misterious way even with political power's

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 04:54PM

And some prof on the news saying we are now in the second wave - ffs

Atlantic Dawn · 15-07-2020 04:54PM

fritzelly wrote: »

And some prof on the news saying we are now in the second wave - ffs

Can't see any 2nd wave of deaths with the nursing homes now under control. They accounted for 65% of deaths.

schmoo2k · 15-07-2020 04:55PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There's social distancing in pubs, a completely different controlled environment to a house party.

How can you say that, when pubs haven't reopened yet? The food thing at least forces a table between folks...

15-07-2020 04:55PM

D.Q wrote: »

How on earth have we ended up in a situation where Fianna Fail are dictating policy again.

Mehole is a headless turkey allowing tourists from Covid-19 hotspots wander around Ireland as they please, facilitating quick spread of cases. Meanwhile pubs which can monitor social distancing are bolted and house parties where no one gives a damn only encouraged.

wadacrack · 15-07-2020 04:55PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Mícheál Martin just proved he's a political chicken

Cases well in control overall yet pushing back 3 weeks for pubs

Costing the country hundreds of millions

14 cases today

'Awfully high' number... Not

Good decision. Should make it easier/safer for schools to resume in September. Hopefully the next step will be sorting the issue with travel. Mandatory quarantine and then we can adopt the Zero Covid approach. This is what I think will happen and obviously people are frustrated but I think long term it would work out much better . Many scientists believe it can be done and as seen in Asia it the most viable approach as immunity with this virus looks to be very complicated. We all want normality but greater patience required.

KrustyUCC · 15-07-2020 04:56PM

They just couldn't allow a bank holiday weekend with pubs being open

They fear Bank Holidays like no other

Mícheál Martin and FF going to get this in the neck

Awful when you make Leo look good

Ficheall · 15-07-2020 04:56PM

Can't watch at the mo, but presumably he'll be asked about why travel from the US is allowed? The North seems reasonably on top of things, and I don't think they're our main concern re imported cases any more..

Atlantic Dawn · 15-07-2020 04:57PM

schmoo2k wrote: »

How can you say that, when pubs haven't reopened yet? The food thing at least forces a table between folks...

Pubs serving food have, has there been a single recorded case confirmed as being as a result of a visit to any of these venues by the circa hundreds of thousands of visits over the last few weeks? Sometimes statistics are dangerous when they don't suit an agenda.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 04:57PM

Arghus wrote: »

To be honest I'm not holding my breath and pinning all my hopes on vaccination.

Obviously, there's been some encouraging signs and there's lots of ongoing work, but there's still no essential guarantee that one will be found and become available for mass production even inside the insanely optimistic time frame of six months, or even a year.

I'm not saying that it won't happen, but I think there needs to be an element of practical realism when talking about vaccines. They are still, at this moment, a bit of a Hail Mary solution. I detect a bit more acknowledgement of this creeping into coverage of the ongoing work.

I just wonder will the attitude towards taking a covid free approach soften if we are still on square one in 6 months or 12 months. It poses huge practical and political issues today. But I wonder how we'll all see things after a potentially dog rough Winter. The one thing we should all remember is that this period has taught us, if it has taught us anything, is that certainty and predictably are both very fallible. A lot of what would have seemed simply "impossible" in January have turned out to be anything but.

I think they are going to find it much harder to point us out of this and I can't see a sign of any kind of a strategy. The PUP finishes in August as well. Most communications from this new government have been less supportive and more admonishing. You'd miss the greater approachibility of Harris and Varadkar. I also wonder where that €2500 sledgehammer is going to be swung next. It seems to be the only tool in the chest at present.

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 04:58PM

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1283440450301460481?s=20

KrustyUCC · 15-07-2020 04:58PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Good decision. Should make it easier/safer for schools to resume in October. Hopefully the next step will be sorted the issue with travel. Mandatory quarantine and then we can adopt the Zero Covid approach. This is what I think will happen and obviously people are frustrated but I think long term it would work out much better . Many scientists believe it can be done and as seen in Asia it the most viable approach as immunity with this virus looks to be very complicated. We all want normality but greater patience required.

It's nothing to do with schools just political cowardice

The North is open and won't shut so this Zero Covid is a fantasy

schmoo2k · 15-07-2020 04:58PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Where's the sense in holding back phase 4 when they are allowing people in from hotpots to do as they please? The authorities are recommending self isolation instead of quarantine and the self isolation is not being adhered to. Where is the sense in holding back phase 4 while they are inviting potential covid19 cases into our country to mix with our population?

Also whay are they announcing it now? Its not for on the publicans who were planning on opening next week. There's been barrel deliveries already to some pubs in preparation for next week's opening. A smack in the face for publicans.

Classic "whataboutism". So you want pubs open so the tourists can go into them?

boggerman1 · 15-07-2020 04:58PM

fritzelly wrote: »

14 new cases - you'd think we were finding 100's a day the way MM is going

And all the media concentrate on is the 32 yesterday

Listening to the last word and when cooper read out just 14 new cases you could nearly sense the disappointment in his voice.the fear mongering going on is over the top.no thought of the mental damage that’s being done to the country as well as economically.plus he had Gerry Killeen on after his disappearance of the past few weeks

shinzon · 15-07-2020 04:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mehole is a headless turkey allowing tourists from Covid-19 hotspots wander around Ireland as they please, facilitating quick spread of cases. Meanwhile pubs which can monitor social distancing are bolted and house parties where no one gives a damn only encouraged.

You seem to think a pub is a bastion of looking out for peoples health, there not, once pubs open up normally start of the evening yes there will be social distancing, but lets face it the majority just want to get pissed and try getting people to do social distancing then. Your on a losing battle there.

Shin

GeorgeBailey · 15-07-2020 04:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1283440450301460481?s=20

Well that's me totally f*cked (my work is wedding related)

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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