Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

SleetAndSnow · 15-07-2020 03:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just to summarize things, we doubled the number of people we were testing, found some extra cases, now we are panicking and probably won't allow pubs to reopen and will enforce masks when there is really no need to.

So we should stop testing because no testing = No cases and open everything up and be covid free, stats wise? Love this idea! /s

stargazer 68 · 15-07-2020 03:55PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like they're worried about indoor gatherings so house parties but doubt that will change behaviour tbh. I think they could be worried that if there's spike with pubs opening plus at house parties it could be bad. Maybe writing was on the wall when guidelines weren't out in advance

Indoor gatherings are already happening. Can't get a table for more than 6 people and can only stay 105 minutes. Forget it - lets just go to one of the houses!

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 03:56PM

Arghus wrote: »

I think most people are mentally more resilient than you'll often hear said around here.

There's often an assumption from the "pro economic" crowd that thousands of people will just kill themselves.

They are up to a point, but they do need to see an endgame, which we don't have. Most people I meet are thoroughly fed up with it all, but soldier on.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 03:57PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I don't see the numbers changing that much in a few weeks anyway. We will likely be in a similar spot in a few weeks time.

Yup there's going to be cases and I don't see them being below 20 most days so its time to start living alongside it with the measures in place.
Yet I'll still be able to go into a pub next week so long as I buy a meal, covid is smart knowing you've had food.

Even if they push phase 4 out by 2 weeks that's the weekend before a Bank Holiday and there's not a chance they'll do it then so your looking probably at 10th August as was the original plan

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 03:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah look house parties have been going on throughout so not much is going to change in that sense as you've mentioned.

Unfortunately I'd say for many towns and villages now they won't see many pubs reopening

I think the discrepancy between pubs that can serve food and can't will be a sore point. Wonder will a few open that way? As it is was only 3 weeks but if it's another 3 weeks they might say feck it they need to get income.

SeaBreezes · 15-07-2020 03:57PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

Insanity.

At the very height of daily case numbers, literally the only place people could go to were shops, and very few people wore masks. Almost no staff wore them (at least in my town).
And despite this the cases consistently dropped down as far as single figures to the level we are at now.
Through every stage of reopening of all retail and shops the numbers were unaffected. No masks mandatory.

If that is not concrete proof that they do not need to be forced on the entire population in order for shops to be safe I don't know what is. It's pure PR to keep twitter mobs appeased.

In the UK, shop assistants are 75% more likely to die from COVID19.
Masks have been scientifically proven to help stop the spread of disease.

In my mind, its insanity NOT to wear a mask for the few minutes it takes to shop. Why not, when you could save a life?

Be like Trump, pretend you're the lone ranger..

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 03:58PM

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Indoor gatherings are already happening. Can't get a table for more than 6 people and can only stay 105 minutes. Forget it - lets just go to one of the houses!

They are and can't see these guidelines affecting them tbh

Drumpot · 15-07-2020 03:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Living with the virus is not having people masked up for the next six months. As our trends show we will/should be at very very low numbers soon and it's more than overkill if that's going to be our public health policy.
Mental health will become a greater issue as this goes on as it forces people to normalise very unnatural behaviour. Sure, we've been through a tough time but I've yet to hear anyone from government articulate any reference to the mental side of it.

How does wearing a mask affect people’s mental health?

ZX7R · 15-07-2020 04:01PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Unbelievable, there's not going to be much difference between phase 4 on Monday or phase 4 in 2 weeks time with the case numbers.

Roll back the numbers allowed to gather indoors, what are they going to police every house party in the country.

We either start to learn to live along side this or we don't

Young people of Ireland you have been very bold and had house parties so now MM we ground us all
That sounds like a good as an excuse as any ffs

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 04:01PM

Eod100 wrote: »

They are and can't see these guidelines affecting them tbh

Had planned to head out with a few mates next week as I've a few days off work. Just got a text now basically saying house party if the pubs don't open.

These are lads that haven't had a house party throughout the restrictions

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 04:02PM

Drumpot wrote: »

How does wearing a mask affect people’s mental health?

It is supposed to be a temporary measure and months is not temporary. It also shows that is not over nor looking like it's over.

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 04:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Had planned to head out with a few mates next week as I've a few days off work. Just got a text now basically saying house party if the pubs don't open.

These are lads that haven't had a house party throughout the restrictions

That could be a fairly big unintended consequence. You'd wonder how many cases are from that idiot who went to that party with covid?

the corpo · 15-07-2020 04:04PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I think there's a difference between being in somewhere for a minute and being somewhere for 60 minutes now don't you ?

If I fill the car up with petrol and happen to not have a mask am I to not go into the shop to pay then ?

Let's be practical about this.

To be practical though, you mask up as you have no control over the scenario.

What if you pop in to pay for your petrol, only one person in front of you, all looks grand, but then they take an age paying, there's a machine problem, whatever, but sh1t frequently happens. If you were already wearing your mask, no big deal, but if you weren't all of a sudden you put yourself, and others, in a compromised position. That's why it makes sense to make it mandatory. Just in case....

It's also a courtesy to those that are working in the shops. "I know you're in this environment all day, I won't be adding to your headache"

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 04:04PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Young people of Ireland you have been very bold and had house parties so now MM we ground us all
That sounds like a good as an excuse as any ffs

There is a different feel to how the new government is delivering "health messages" now. Do it or we'll apply that threat of a €2500 fine to more parts of your life!

15-07-2020 04:06PM

The chances of people having a summer staycation look less likely.

More and more will book their flight tickets now. And sure why not?

Why stay here with the bad weather while we try to decide when its safe to have a pint without food.

15-07-2020 04:06PM

Good to see that the €9 substantial meal will continue to keep us safe throughout July.

Very unfair on pubs that can't serve food can't open, nobody's going for the bloody food. Just enforce all of the other rules and let the others open without food, its completely bizarre.

fritzelly · 15-07-2020 04:07PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like phase 4 may be delayed. https://twitter.com/jackpowerIT/status/1283425620630921216?s=19

Screw this government

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 04:10PM

You can send your thank yous to your local FF voters!

polesheep · 15-07-2020 04:10PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Screw this government

I think there will be plenty of people up and down the country echoing that sentiment. A mask to go into a supermarket for a few minutes but you can sit in a restaurant for 90 minutes without one. A sandwich is the difference between a pub being open or not. The government is going to very quickly lose the people. We didn't know how lucky we were with Leo in charge:(

Drumpot · 15-07-2020 04:11PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It is supposed to be a temporary measure and months is not temporary. It also shows that is not over nor looking like it's over.

It’s not over by a long shot. It’s really very simple, right now is just the start, our numbers going down is great but was Mostly a result of a savage lockdown. We don’t want to have to do that again.

There is no logical reason to assume our numbers won’t go up over the coming months if we don’t take precautions. Prevention is better then cure. If wearing masks reduces infection rates why wait until things get bad to make them mandatory?

It is completely irresponsible to work off the presumption that “we know more now so it won’t be so bad”. Doesn’t matter if you know more but do nothing to use that knowledge. We also know right now that there is a lot we don’t know about the virus.

I can’t get over how bad some people are at discussing this. They can only digest positive or negative news and see anybody with a contradicting view as some sort of tin foil hat person. There is no logic to some people’s interpretations of what’s going on and to be honest they are just latching onto whatever narrative they want to believe.

I don’t know how things are going to play out. We could be lucky and get a quick vaccine. We could learn a lot of things that show we can do a lot of the things we want to do with little risk. Maybe schools and shops and sports events will be shown to be not so bad... or maybe there will be a massive surge in winter with COVID piggybacking on other seasonal virus to spread.

I don’t know what’s going to happen but the blasé attitude some people have to only seeing things going one way is infuriating. It’s impossible to discuss this objectively with people who will only accept the narrative they want to believe. I believe there is a lot we still don’t know and in the absence of knowledge a prudent approach is caution. If wearing masks is one of those approaches , then it makes sense if it facilities us not requiring a full lockdown.

Where we are in numbers right now is relevant just today. I want us to stay that way, but accept we need to make compromises.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 04:13PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That could be a fairly big unintended consequence. You'd wonder how many cases are from that idiot who went to that party with covid?

Yeah its going to be a consequence. Like we're all mid to late 20s and these lads wouldn't usually be bothered with house parties

Boggles · 15-07-2020 04:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Unbelievable, there's not going to be much difference between phase 4 on Monday or phase 4 in 2 weeks time with the case numbers.

How do you know?

Arghus · 15-07-2020 04:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The chances of people having a summer staycation look less likely.

More and more will book their flight tickets now. And sure why not?

Why stay here with the bad weather while we try to decide when its safe to have a pint without food.

I think the 1000 cancelled flights yesterday tells a different story.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 04:16PM

Drumpot wrote: »

It’s not over by a long shot. It’s really very simple, right now is just the start, our numbers going down is great but was Mostly a result of a savage lockdown. We don’t want to have to do that again.

There is no logical reason to assume our numbers won’t go up over the coming months if we don’t take precautions. Prevention is better then cure. If wearing masks reduces infection rates why wait until things get bad to make them mandatory?

It is completely irresponsible to presume that “we know more now so it won’t be so bad”. Doesn’t matter if you know more but do nothing to use that knowledge. We also know right now that there is a lot we don’t know about the virus.

I can’t get over how bad some people are at discussing this. They can only digest positive or negative news and see anybody with a contradicting view as some sort of tin foil hat person. There is no logic to some people’s interpretations of what’s going on and to be honest they are just latching onto whatever narrative they want to believe.

I don’t know how things are going to play out. We could be lucky and get a quick vaccine. We could learn a lot of things that show we can do a lot of the things we want to do with little risk. Maybe schools and shops and sports events will be shown to be not so bad... or maybe there will be a massive surge in winter with COVID piggybacking on other seasonal virus to spread.

I don’t know what’s going to happen but the blasé attitude some people have to only seeing things going one way is infuriating. It’s impossible to discuss this objectively with people who will only accept the narrative they want to believe. I believe there is a lot we still don’t know and in the absence of knowledge a prudent approach is caution. If wearing masks is one of those approaches , then it makes sense if it facilities us not requiring a full lockdown.

Where we are in numbers right now is relevant just today. I want us to stay that way, but accept we need to make compromises.

There needs to be some conversation about masks and for how long. Putting them on and hoping numbers won't rise is really not a very good health policy. In that scenario it should be a return to what is known to work - shutting things down and we need to hear that too.

marno21 · 15-07-2020 04:16PM

That was a threat (so far).

Kerry was one of the airports mentioned that would have cancellations but all Ryanair flights to the UK (Manchester/Luton/Stanstead) are all for sale as of right now. All fares are €15.

SeaBreezes · 15-07-2020 04:18PM

the corpo wrote: »

To be practical though, you mask up as you have no control over the scenario.

What if you pop in to pay for your petrol, only one person in front of you, all looks grand, but then they take an age paying, there's a machine problem, whatever, but sh1t frequently happens. If you were already wearing your mask, no big deal, but if you weren't all of a sudden you put yourself, and others, in a compromised position. That's why it makes sense to make it mandatory. Just in case....

It's also a courtesy to those that are working in the shops. "I know you're in this environment all day, I won't be adding to your headache"

Agreed. What if you sneeze in that minute?

polesheep · 15-07-2020 04:18PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah its going to be a consequence. Like we're all mid to late 20s and these lads wouldn't usually be bothered with house parties

It beggars belief that the government don't get that keeping the pubs closed will lead to more house parties. They really are losing the people fast.

Christy42 · 15-07-2020 04:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Unbelievable, there's not going to be much difference between phase 4 on Monday or phase 4 in 2 weeks time with the case numbers.

Roll back the numbers allowed to gather indoors, what are they going to police every house party in the country.

We either start to learn to live along side this or we don't

I mean they can delay it further if it hasn't improved in 2 weeks so there could be a world of difference between Monday and hitting stage 4.

They can't police every house party but they can limit the amount of gatherings via businesses and it sends a harsher message that some might listen to.

As for a mask being needed for a 2 minute trip to the shop. Probably not but if you are wandering a shop for an hour then yes. So instead of an arbitrary time limit just set a simple rule that people can figure out and is easy for stores to police.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 04:21PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

As I'm sure plenty of the posters on the restrictions will attest to, I'm not one of the "open up everything now" crowd. I have been content for the most part with the government's roadmap and I think the slow approach was in general a good idea.

That being said, I don't see the benefit in slowing things down again now. There's no evidence of a return to exponential growth in countries that, like ourselves, got things under control before reopening. We have a significantly improved testing capacity. We have very low numbers in hospital. That's not to say I think this is all over and we need to move on and restrictions won't happen again. I accept that this could come back. I'm just not seeing any evidence to justify a slowing of reopening at the moment. We need to take advantage of the current lull in cases and let a degree of normality return.

Wasn't Martin pressuring the previous government to open up faster? At the moment he seems more concerned with the nonsense going on in his party than running the country.

You'd wonder whether it was some muttering from NPHET of being ignored that was at the heart of it.

Ten of Swords · 15-07-2020 04:21PM

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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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