Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Non solum non ambulabit · 15-07-2020 02:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24hrs: 4387
Tests conducted last 7 days: 49372
Positive tests last 24hrs: 17
Positivity rate last 7 days: 0.3%

17 tests in the last 24 hours. I am expecting low/mid teens new cases today. It has to be under 20. If not the data on positives tests is incorrect

caveat emptor · 15-07-2020 02:31PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

The risk has been outsourced with respect to commercial property. This is all overseas capital which means they will be the losers in the event of a commercial property crash, not the Irish taxpayers.

Good to know. I guess this relevant because cover is affecting people's livelihood.
So worst case scenario if multinationals don't need as many people to be in the office and don't renew leases etc the Irish Real Estate Funds (Irefs) won't take hit.

The fact that multinationals etc won't require as many people to be win the city means that there is not the same pool of people going for the overpriced rental properties? Contagion will occur when the rental market is not as attractive as it once was so all of the institutional foreign money won't be buoying up those prices.

What about all of the people who invested in holiday lettings in the hope of getting some of that airbnb money? Who'll pay their mortgage.

Guess time will tell. We could revisit it in a year and see what affects if any on the market occur.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/property-price-growth-slowed-in-may-as-transactions-plunged-1.4305091

People going mental.....

https://twitter.com/weeaboo/status/1241555854446518272?s=20

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/04/how-the-covid-19-crisis-locked-airbnb-out-of-its-own-homes

Onesea · 15-07-2020 02:32PM

Alot of people say the line "we are learning more about the virus everyday"
So what concrete information have they learned about the virus?
Does it effect the blood initially then the lungs?
What other illness is it most similar to?
How contagious is it?
Is it airborne?
Does it survive on surfaces?
With testing so widespread worldwide what is the death rate for the middle aged?

Have been watching pax flights going all around Europe, going from Africa to Europe, North and South America to Europe. I think we have abiut a month's of normalish international traffic. Should nt this virus have been reimported to Ireland and all other EU countries by now?

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 02:38PM

https://twitter.com/maryeregan/status/1283409620493574151?s=21

ednwireland · 15-07-2020 02:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/maryeregan/status/1283409620493574151?s=21

yep lets not bother ensuring people quarantine but complusory face masks for a 2 minute visit to the shop

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 02:42PM

ednwireland wrote: »

yep lets not bother ensuring people quarantine but complusory face masks for a 2 minute visit to the shop

Masks should’ve been compulsory in shops weeks ago

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 02:46PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/maryeregan/status/1283409620493574151?s=21

That'll be intersting to see how that goes.

Lots of things seem to get considered at cabinet and not alot of things decided.

Horse has bolted long ago on alot of things

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 02:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/maryeregan/status/1283409620493574151?s=21

Interesting this happens only days after UK announced similar.

Jim_Hodge · 15-07-2020 02:48PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Two types of referendum in Ireland.
Construction referendum
And
Ordinary referendum
It would fall under the second

Not that we've ever had an Ordinary Referendum but it would not be required to change the CTA at all. An Ordinary Referendum allows the Seanad to exercise a check on the Dáil by providing a mechanism for it to prevent the passing of a bill with which it disagrees and, given government appointees to the Seanad, that's unlikely.

But we're drifting off topic, so I'll say no more other than the Dáil can certainly bring legislation to amend the CTA without a referendum.

setanta1984 · 15-07-2020 02:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/maryeregan/status/1283409620493574151?s=21

Insanity.

At the very height of daily case numbers, literally the only place people could go to were shops, and very few people wore masks. Almost no staff wore them (at least in my town).
And despite this the cases consistently dropped down as far as single figures to the level we are at now.
Through every stage of reopening of all retail and shops the numbers were unaffected. No masks mandatory.

If that is not concrete proof that they do not need to be forced on the entire population in order for shops to be safe I don't know what is. It's pure PR to keep twitter mobs appeased.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 02:51PM

ednwireland wrote: »

yep lets not bother ensuring people quarantine but complusory face masks for a 2 minute visit to the shop

The penalty is draconian. Heard two elderly ladies in Dunnes last week apologising to each other for forgetting their masks.

ednwireland · 15-07-2020 02:53PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

Insanity.

At the very height of daily case numbers, literally the only place people could go to were shops, and very few people wore masks. Almost no staff wore them (at least in my town).
And despite this the cases consistently dropped down as far as single figures to the level we are at now.
Through every stage of reopening of all retail and shops the numbers were unaffected. No masks mandatory.

If that is not concrete proof that they do not need to be forced on the entire population in order for shops to be safe I don't know what is. It's pure PR to keep twitter mobs appeased.

totally agree , although i suspect my attitude might be different if i lived in a city but we had 1 case in 7 days, i have no problem social distancing in shops, im rarely in them for more than 15 minutes (the joys of the northwest !)

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 02:54PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The penalty is draconian. Heard two elderly ladies in Dunnes last week apologising to each other for forgetting their masks.

It will be interesting to see how many/any people will be fined and if so by how much. I think it's more aimed at a deterrent. When it's not being enforced by transport workers I can't see many being fined. If driver called Gardai say cos someone refused to wear mask onboard don't think anyone's going to wait around to be fined.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 02:57PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how many/any people will be fined and if so by how much. I think it's more aimed at a deterrent. When it's not being enforced by transport workers I can't see many being fined. If driver called Gardai say cos someone refused to wear mask onboard don't think anyone's going to wait around to be fined.

There are much bigger numbers to deal with and definitely a lot more potential for conflict. My local shop is largely female-staffed and can't seen them getting into bouncing! As I said the first granny escorted out is bad news!

owlbethere · 15-07-2020 03:00PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That'll be intersting to see how that goes.

Lots of things seem to get considered at cabinet and not alot of things decided.

Horse has bolted long ago on alot of things

Face masks in shops would be a fantastic idea. I was reading the Facebook group for Irish covid sufferers. There's some people there who believe their exposure came from supermarkets because it was during lock down and their movements were reduced.

I went shopping few times and there were incidents of people coughing without covering their mouths. Not a care in the world for other people.

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 03:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

There are much bigger numbers to deal with and definitely a lot more potential for conflict. My local shop is largely female-staffed and can't seen them getting into bouncing!

Yeah say will be even less likely to be enforced in shops. Lot of places which had people outside counting numbers, making sure people used hand sanatiser etc don't seem to have them anymore so not sure who or how they expect it to be enforced.

But guess it's more about sending message to wear one especially if people already have them for using public transport.

Hurrache · 15-07-2020 03:02PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah say will be even less likely to be enforced in shops.

Pretty easy, no mask, no service. Many customers are currently refused regularly for other things, this would be no different.

Arghus · 15-07-2020 03:02PM

political analyst wrote: »

The fact that a deceased person tested positive for Covid is not proof that the person's death was caused by Covid. Niall Boylan has a point.

https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1283093428046356480

There's a deep irony in Niall Boylan calling for logical responses, when he himself is completely wrong with his facts there.

113 people under the age of 65 have died from Covid in Ireland, not 8. 113 is roughly 8% of all total deaths.

Basic stuff.

Drumpot · 15-07-2020 03:04PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

Insanity.

At the very height of daily case numbers, literally the only place people could go to were shops, and very few people wore masks. Almost no staff wore them (at least in my town).
And despite this the cases consistently dropped down as far as single figures to the level we are at now.
Through every stage of reopening of all retail and shops the numbers were unaffected. No masks mandatory.

If that is not concrete proof that they do not need to be forced on the entire population in order for shops to be safe I don't know what is. It's pure PR to keep twitter mobs appeased.

This sort of mindset is very misguided.

As we have seen with this virus, there is still alot we dont know about it and there are contradictions that still have not been explained.

There is no definitive information that explains why Supermarkets and their workers do not appear to of been badly affected. Is it because supermarkets are usually wide spaces with really high roofs which means a dilution of virus ? Is it because even though people were allowed in supermarkets, the amount of people allowed in a shop was severaly restricted and very well monitored (2 metre ques)? Was it actually how well supermarkets regulated customers during a specific peroid ? Do we know how many shop workers got ill and if there is any evidence that we know many didnt have asymptomatic version of the virus ? (maybe shop workers have a stronger immune system because they always work in an environment that exposes themselves to people ?).

Until we know why supermarkets were not responsible for clusters, its irresponsible and naieve to presume its an area we dont need to concern ourselves.

A mask is proven to reduce the spread of a cough or sneeze. That is scientific fact.

The mask argument seems to basically revolve around people who just dont want to wear masks out of inconvenience, versus the scientific evidence that basically isnt definitive on "how effective" they are. So they help, but we just dont know to what degree.

In the absence of knowing for sure, it makes a lot more sense to make masks mandatory. But its a cultural issue of inconvenience that people in western countries just dont seem to be able to grasp.

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 03:08PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how many/any people will be fined and if so by how much. I think it's more aimed at a deterrent. When it's not being enforced by transport workers I can't see many being fined. If driver called Gardai say cos someone refused to wear mask onboard don't think anyone's going to wait around to be fined.

Gardai already basically said they weren't going to go chasing buses and trains around. Can't see them legging it to every shop that calls them.

Unless its done properly it'll be another thing of unions representing retail workers saying we aren't enforcing this and the Gardaí saying the same.

They should probably learn from the lack of engagement with the likes of the NBRU etc on the transport legislation

ACitizenErased · 15-07-2020 03:08PM

Member of the navy has tested positive at Haulbowline Naval Base.
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Member-of-Navy-in-Haulbowline-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-03dfc81c-d498-461a-af9c-60a0b1f0a98f-ds

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 03:09PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Pretty easy, no mask, no service. Many customers are currently refused regularly for other things, this would be no different.

That's how it was meant to be on public transport too. If they get to the til til it's already too late, not sure if someone behind counter wants to get abused for refusing service. Hasn't been made clear how people prove exceptions either, take their word or letter from GP say?

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 03:10PM

This includes the 26 from the weekend before
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1283416736310743041?s=19

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 03:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Gardai already basically said they weren't going to go chasing buses and trains around. Can't see them legging it to every shop that calls them.

Unless its done properly it'll be another thing of unions representing retail workers saying we aren't enforcing this and the Gardaí saying the same.

They should probably learn from the lack of engagement with the likes of the NBRU etc on the transport legislation

Not a hope. I can't see shops calling them either unless someone went balistic and even then. I guess the hope is that the deterrent works to make people wear one.

I think tbf, working in retail can be stressful enough without having to enforce this and risk potential conflict with abuse or worse

stephenjmcd · 15-07-2020 03:12PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That's how it was meant to be on public transport too. If they get to the til til it's already too late, not sure if someone behind counter wants to get abused for refusing service. Hasn't been made clear how people prove exceptions either, take their word or letter from GP say?

Thats actually a good point on the medical front, they said medical exceptions but never actually said do you need a GP letter or what. A bus driver isn't going to be checking for GP letters nor is a shop worker if we're being realistic.

Have seen a few tweets to Dublin bus with people asking similar and its just a bog standard reply with a link to the hse website

ninebeanrows · 15-07-2020 03:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1283416736310743041?s=19

Imagine this is a headline in 2020

Sickening we have regressed so far in such a short time

D.Q · 15-07-2020 03:14PM

The mask issue is crazy. How is it even inconvenient to wear a bit of fabric, grow up and put the mask on. Of all the hills to die on.

I'd understand if the main health guidance was:

"ok guys, we're not certain, but carrying this massive rock around all day might help save lives. We know its an inconvenience, but it could be worth the effort if it helps to save lives and stop the spread"

but its not a massive rock, its a bit of ****ing cloth and elastic.

And even if they are wrong and it doesn't save lives or even stop the spread, so what? we can all laugh about it down the line. the masks don't leave permanent scars, its a minor minor inconvenience you absolute freaks.

Eod100 · 15-07-2020 03:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This includes the 26 from the weekend before
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1283416736310743041?s=19

Imagining scenes like this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B21IDMoWCg

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 03:14PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Pretty easy, no mask, no service. Many customers are currently refused regularly for other things, this would be no different.

Shopping comes in many forms. Lots of quick pop ins. It'll need to be a balanced approach.

lalababa · 15-07-2020 03:16PM

The wearing of masks in indoor public places (save restaurant s and pubs) would be grand. No problem to do it and see how things are a month down the road. Willy nilly Foreign travel and tourists is another matter.
Also crazy drunken idiots around pubs and of course the 'youff'

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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