Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

A referendum is not required if the law isn't enshrined in the constitution. Where is the CTA covered by the constitution?

Two types of referendum in Ireland.
Construction referendum
And
Ordinary referendum
It would fall under the second

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Why refuse a free potentially life saving test, are they even self isolating

Because the test is very unpleasant?

“It’s not comfortable, I’ll just be honest,” says Pinto, a University of Chicago Medicine otolaryngologist who’s had similar tests done on himself. “There’s a little discomfort. It’s not long-lasting. It’ll sting for a minute.”

It isn’t pain like you feel from a shot. Instead, think about how it felt if you’ve gotten chlorinated water up your nose in a swimming pool.

The complex nerve endings in your nose told your brain: That’s not right, there’s something bad in there. And that burning sensation makes you want to blow the water right back out.

Well, the swab test for COVID-19 is more intense than that.

“It’s a deep burning, and it often elicits tears and sometimes coughing,” says Molly K. Erickson, a nurse practitioner at Rush University Medical Center who helped set up the Chicago hospital’s testing sites. “That discomfort really comes with getting an adequate sample.”

Once the swab is inserted, it needs to be swirled around for about 15 seconds. Depending on the test, the same thing might also be done through your other nostril.

The discomfort you feel typically goes away quickly, and there’s usually no bleeding.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/4/10/21216845/coronavirus-covid19-abbott-rapid-swab-test-nose-nasal-how-it-feels-jayant-pinto-molly-erickson

'Usually no bleeding' - get off with that.

political analyst wrote: »

The fact that a deceased person tested positive for Covid is not proof that the person's death was caused by Covid. Niall Boylan has a point.

We didn't lock down because of 1700 deaths. We locked down because of the potential for tens of thousands of more deaths (and other forms of suffering) if the virus had been allowed spread unrestricted.

hmmm wrote: »

We didn't lock down because of 1700 deaths. We locked down because of the potential for tens of thousands of more deaths (and other forms of suffering) if the virus had been allowed spread unrestricted.

Well, the potentially overwhelmed health system first, followed by, potentially, loads of deaths.

political analyst wrote: »

The fact that a deceased person tested positive for Covid is not proof that the person's death was caused by Covid. Niall Boylan has a point.

https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1283093428046356480

The virus seems to do a lot more enabling of other medical problems to kill people than directly killing them itself. It seems more an evil assistant than the main villain.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/scientists-warn-of-potential-wave-of-brain-damage-linked-to-covid-19.html

"Scientists warned on Wednesday of a potential wave of coronavirus-related brain damage as new evidence suggested Covid-19 can lead to severe neurological complications, including inflammation, psychosis and delirium."

"“Whether we will see an epidemic on a large scale of brain damage linked to the pandemic – perhaps similar to the encephalitis lethargica outbreak in the 1920s and 1930s after the 1918 influenza pandemic – remains to be seen,” said Michael Zandi, from UCL’s Institute of Neurology, who co-led the study."

"“Given that the disease has only been around for a matter of months, we might not yet know what long-term damage COVID-19 can cause,” said Ross Paterson, who co-led the study. “Doctors need to be aware of possible neurological effects, as early diagnosis can improve patient outcomes.”"

ixoy wrote: »

There's very little evidence though there that it will cause issues in any significant numbers to most people. All it says is, "we're not sure" which is different to "we disagree".

They have the experience and are warning us.

Whether or not we choose to listen and learn from their experience so we don't have to go through their experience is our choice.
You want to take the risk? Be my guest.

I'd prefer not to stick my hand in the fire to find out its hot... when Ive been warned..

They said:
"At first, initially, we thought it was a bad flu, then we thought it was a bad flu with a very bad pneumonia, it was the phase when you came here,
but subsequently we discovered that it is a systemic illness with vessel damage in the whole body with renal involvement, cerebral involvement,"
he told me in the now silent COVID-19 emergency room that was overwhelmed a few months ago.
"So we are seeing other acute manifestations of renal failure that require dialysis; or stroke,
and then acute myocardial infarction, so a lot of complications or other manifestations of the virus.
"And also now we see a significant proportion of the population with chronic damage from the virus."

Researchers identified serious neurological complications arising from COVID-19 including delirium, brain inflammation, stroke and nerve damage in 43 people aged 16 to 85.
Some of the patients had experienced no severe breathing problems at all, with the neurological disorder being the first and only sign that they had coronavirus.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Jaysus,

Seems like we could be in for a nasty property price correction too if commercial property market takes a hit. I don't know anyone going back to office.
I imagine these firms will not be extending their lease. Could see the same sort of contagion during financial crisis.
That's all we need. I wouldn't like to be left holding the bag....

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/central-bank-warns-of-covid-19-risks-to-property-market-1.4280680

Luckily for the deeply concerned, there is a thread for people currently engaged in buying or selling residential properties at his moment, where it is quite clear that residential properties are scarce, in high demand with generally increasing prices.