Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Indefinite lockdown is what the experts you say you want to listen to have said, Ryan and Killen both said it so its not me saying it before you start putting words in my mouth and say I'm fear mongering, they've both said it.

Anyway at this point I won't reply to you further because your going off in a tangent now with brexit and if I replied to this post how I wanted I'd probably be banned.

But sure look follow Gerry and Ryan with the Indefinite lockdown all you want and again they've said that not me

I call straw man on this.
They are saying lockdown to get it to zero.
Then reopen EVERYTHING because it isn't here.
Right now it is here. Schools will reopen.
Then they'll close again. As sure as night follows day.
Do you think that this virus only has a panache for house parties?

Restrict all non essential travel into the state.
Have quarantine facilities for people who can't effectively isolate in the place they'll be staying while here. At their expense.

SeaBreezes wrote: »

The group, which includes many high-profile public health experts and epidemiologists, set out how Ireland could move towards a “zero-Covid island”, similar to New Zealand.

The group includes professor of public health Anthony Staines of DCU; infectious diseases ecologist Prof Gerard Killeen of UCC; immunologist Dr Tomás Ryan of TCD; Prof Patricia Kearney of UCC; Prof Gabriel Scally; and RCSI infectious diseases expert Prof Sam McConkey.


Dr Nick Flynn, a senior partner in the MyCorkGP practices group, said he was seeing a “worrying trend” of people presenting with symptoms, then refusing referrals for Covid-19 tests.

Serious concerns raised at a meeting of the National Public Health Emergency Team could endanger plans to reopen the remainder of the State’s pubs on Monday.


... Sure what would THEY know?

Giving their educated opinions in fields they have devoted their lives to studying.... that the Irish Times is quoting.. it MUST be fearmongering nonsense..

How could they possibly know more than internet randomers like you ... oh, wait... :rolleyes:

To write articles based on nothing but quotes from these people creates fear as there is a misconception that what they say is gospel with respect to the virus. The articles put in no counter opinion whatsoever when there are obvious counter points which refute what they say.

1. Crush the curve - it necessarily fails and yet is constantly churned out by anti-relaxers, flat curvers McConckey and Killeen. Why is it a complete non starter? Because it only works if you close off all borders or else all other countries take the same approach. We will not be closing off borders and other countries absolutely can't afford to try to crush the curve so it is dead in the water.

2. Pub openings may be scuppered - based on what? Our data is remarkably stable and we are not doing any enforcement with respect to our borders. Further, the EU has already implemented a green list and most countries have bars and cafes open already. We are not exceptional so it is just one crank's view that pub openings should be scuppered. The IT should pose these counter points in the article otherwise it is just giving a voice to a minority, non-practical opinion.

3. Asymptomatic people "worryingly" refusing to be tested - perhaps I can give them this, as yes I would be concerned that people aren't being tested as contact tracing and testing is one of the things we need to ensure we can get rid of social distancing and not have to lockdown again.

caveat emptor wrote: »

One thing I think people are missing here is that winter is different to spring is different to summer.

Commuting to work, schools being open, pubs being open are all pie in the sky if this follows anything like other respitory viral seasonal trends.

I understand that this virus is not seasonal. There is certainly no evidence to suggest it is.

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I understand that this virus is not seasonal. There is certainly no evidence to suggest it is.

• Wahahaha how do you know that?
• Why is a virus seasonal?
• Why are respiratory viruses seasonal

You are naive and little bit blinkered if you think this will behave any differently. Comes down to fluid dynamics & immune system condition probably & molecular biology. Experts (who we so loath on this thread) don't even know. So how can a randomer on the internet know? Of course this is MORE infectious, The mechanism by which it infects people is the same. So while "there is no evidence" There is circumstantial evidence to suggest this.

I googled it for you though. Now spot the differences.

Why flu season is in the fall and winter?
The flu tends to spike in the fall and winter for a major reason: the temperature.

"The virus survives better in cool, dry temperatures," Simanek said. And that's thanks to a protective gel-like coating that surrounds the flu virus while it's in the air.

The flu is an airborne infectious disease. So in order to spread, the virus needs to survive long enough in the air to travel from one person to the next. And that's where the virus's gel-like coating helps when it's cold outside.

In colder temperatures, that capsule, which is made of fats and oils called lipids, hardens into a shell around the virus. This protects the virus and keeps it alive long enough to spread between victims.

For comparison, this isn't as easy to do when it's warm outside because the lipid coating degrades, exposing the virus to the environment where it can easily get destroyed before finding a host.

Once the virus is inside you, your body temperature degrades the coating, releasing the virus. After that, the virus starts to wreak havoc and replicate in hopes of infecting you and the next bystander. If you get the flu, you will be contagious for 5 to 7 days after your symptoms begin.

https://www.insider.com/when-is-flu-season

There are posters who think they are being extremely positive but border on silly at times. I think they are afraid, whistling in the dark.

Yesterday evening was a prime example when cases were announced. We had 32. Nothing that remarkable about the figure given we're opening up and some rises evident in other countries.

There was an amount of crap posted about it by the 'we know everything and don't worry be happy group'. Stuff like that figure is too high for the official 24 hour cases release I have. What way are they releasing stats?

Some posters think they have an inside line and are on NEPHET! The figure itself was nothing terribly worrying, just something to be kept an eye on with travel the main problem.