Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

igCorcaigh · 14-07-2020 10:42PM

snotboogie wrote: »

The economy is ****ed anyway with social distancing. Our current approach is hope and pray for a vaccine. I don't think people have grasped just how restrictive the "new normal" is.

True. Business will really have to adapt to this new reality. The economy will thrive in new ways, but we are in a time of change for sure.

igCorcaigh · 14-07-2020 10:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE Operations update

As of 18:30 no change in ICU, 10 covid confirmed paitents and 5 on ventilators.

As of 8pm 13 covid confirmed cases in general beds. Down 1 on yesterday.

1 case confirmed in hosptial labs between 8pm last night and 8pm tonight, case reported from Navan hosptial

Wishing all well. Our health system is coping. I hope all medical services open soon.

IMHO it was never right to delay essential medical services to people, such as cancer treatment or screenings.

expectationlost · 14-07-2020 10:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

3 people referred to gardai for not completing the locator form.

"Figures for the start of month show calls were made to 3,532 people who arrived in Ireland and only 48pc answered their phones when called."

Oh but it gets better, chances are you won't even get a call now,

"However due to the increase in people arriving here they are now selecting a “proportional cohort” of between 10pc and 20pc of each flight to call."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/three-people-referred-to-gardai-for-refusing-to-fill-out-passenger-location-forms-39368900.html

so where are those people now?

blowitupref · 14-07-2020 10:47PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Tomas Ryan wants us to go back to phase 2 on the tonight show. Unbelievable stuff really.

Pushing the 0 covid island stuff again

Ridiculous the amount of times he's been on the tonight show during this virus. Surely once was more than enough.

BorneTobyWilde · 14-07-2020 11:00PM

The virus does not need to be ''Lab Made'' for China to be responsible.. They could have discovered it in a bat, then studied it for a few year, created a vaccine and then somehow it got out and infected people. I find it strange that China day after day come out with
1 new cases LOL, HEHEH, HAHA
2 new cases LOL, THE WORLD IS SO DUMB HA
3 new cases LOL, Even when we're being so obvious they don't see it HAHA

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

Benimar · 14-07-2020 11:03PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The virus does not need to be ''Lab Made'' for China to be responsible.. They could have discovered it in a bat, then studied it for a few year, created a vaccine and then somehow it got out and infected people. I find it strange that China day after day come out with
1 new cases LOL, HEHEH, HAHA
2 new cases LOL, THE WORLD IS SO DUMB HA
3 new cases LOL, Even when we're being so obvious they don't see it HAHA

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

Or they are lying through their teeth:rolleyes:

fritzelly · 14-07-2020 11:04PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

If you wanna go the whole conspiracy route then why do you not think China are not reporting new cases?

JJayoo · 14-07-2020 11:04PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The virus does not need to be ''Lab Made'' for China to be responsible.. They could have discovered it in a bat, then studied it for a few year, created a vaccine and then somehow it got out and infected people. I find it strange that China day after day come out with
1 new cases LOL, HEHEH, HAHA
2 new cases LOL, THE WORLD IS SO DUMB HA
3 new cases LOL, Even when we're being so obvious they don't see it HAHA

They have a vaccine, it's the only explanation as to why no one else in China is getting sick, while the rest of the world is falling apart.

Or maybe they have the ability to completely shut a city down hard, essentially the complete opposite to what is happening in America.

BorneTobyWilde · 14-07-2020 11:06PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Or maybe they have the ability to completely shut a city down hard, essentially the complete opposite to what is happening in America.

They reopened long long ago, with no ill effect, makes no sense on paper

Ficheall · 14-07-2020 11:10PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They reopened long long ago, with no ill effect, makes no sense on paper

I'm not sure their "reopening" is all that "open"..

ACitizenErased · 14-07-2020 11:25PM

fritzelly wrote: »

If you wanna go the whole conspiracy route then why do you not think China are not reporting new cases?

To be fair the Chinese have been using their vaccine for a while, their military have all been vaccinated apparently.

BLIZZARD7 · 14-07-2020 11:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I find the acceptance of the "new normal" most remarkable.

The "new normal" until a vaccine. A vaccine exists for influenza, however 2-3 years ago influenza accounted for 25k deaths in Italy.

Sport', club's, gigs have all been postponed, some here are glad of that.

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 83 I think. The vulnerable need to be protected, but not at the cost of the futures of those not at risk.

Italy currently has had 34,984 reported deaths from Covid-19 with 3/5 of the months the virus has been present in the country in a very strict lockdown. Not comparable to the flu, I can't believe that has to be repeated still at this point.

FintanMcluskey · 14-07-2020 11:29PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Italy currently has had 34,984 reported deaths from Covid-19 with 3/5 of the months the virus has been present in the country in a very strict lockdown. Not comparable to the flu, I can't believe that has to be repeated still at this point.

Everything is comparable.

Influenza seems much more deadly to younger folk than Covid.

Thats a comparison

fritzelly · 14-07-2020 11:30PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

To be fair the Chinese have been using their vaccine for a while, their military have all been vaccinated apparently.

You know what he meant

BLIZZARD7 · 14-07-2020 11:39PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Everything is comparable.

Influenza seems much more deadly to younger folk than Covid.

Thats a comparison

Seems? Have some stats to back up that claim maybe?

NegativeCreep · 14-07-2020 11:40PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Italy currently has had 34,984 reported deaths from Covid-19 with 3/5 of the months the virus has been present in the country in a very strict lockdown. Not comparable to the flu, I can't believe that has to be repeated still at this point.

I dont think they’re saying COVID is like the flu. They’re just saying that flu has a vaccine yet tens of thousands of people die from in anyway. Who’s to say COVID will be any different? We may get a vaccine and still have to put up with a lot of deaths around the world even so

NegativeCreep · 14-07-2020 11:42PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 83 I think. The vulnerable need to be protected, but not at the cost of the futures of those not at risk.

And according to google the average life expectancy in Ireland is 81.96 years...

bb1234567 · 14-07-2020 11:52PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I find the acceptance of the "new normal" most remarkable.

The "new normal" until a vaccine. A vaccine exists for influenza, however 2-3 years ago influenza accounted for 25k deaths in Italy.

Sport', club's, gigs have all been postponed, some here are glad of that.

The median age of deaths in Ireland is 83 I think. The vulnerable need to be protected, but not at the cost of the futures of those not at risk.

It was 25,000 excess deaths not necessarily flu deaths, although typically excess death is chalked up to flu outbreaks but it's not a given. But if you are using an excess death statistic figure then surely you compare like with like, Italian excess deaths throughout March and April alone are already 43,000 above other years. Figures for May and June are not released but there was significant excess deaths in May at least in Italy also
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046

Ficheall · 14-07-2020 11:53PM

Do we have a re-reg in the house?

Deeper Blue · 14-07-2020 11:56PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Tomas Ryan wants us to go back to phase 2 on the tonight show. Unbelievable stuff really.

Pushing the 0 covid island stuff again

Himself and Gerry Killeen should fly to the moon and self isolate for the next 50 years

NegativeCreep · 14-07-2020 11:57PM

PaybackPayroll wrote: »

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- The whole asymptomatic thing. So people can spread this without even realising they have it. Lovely.

Is there any actual proof of this? I’ve heard so much about asymptomatic transmission but I’ve yet to see any actual proof that it’s a thing at all.

JJayoo · 15-07-2020 12:04AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They reopened long long ago, with no ill effect, makes no sense on paper

You are missing the point, China can shut down any area/region of any size literally in minutes, no other country on the planet can act as swift/brutally as China in this regard and people obey over there there are no protests, protest/don't comply and you disappear, this is why they have shut the virus down.

Essentially disobeying in China is far far worse than the virus

nocoverart · 15-07-2020 12:36AM

Wonder what username Kermit is using? somebody like that just doesn’t go away. Hysteria is a Virus and it thrives on Boards.

cnocbui · 15-07-2020 12:53AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Is there any actual proof of this? I’ve heard so much about asymptomatic transmission but I’ve yet to see any actual proof that it’s a thing at all.

Asymptomatic cases may be driving spread of coronavirus

...
International studies
There are also reports in other countries of significant transmission by people who are asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic.
On Tuesday, Dr. Sandra Ciesek, director of the Institute of Medical Virology in Frankfurt, Germany, tested 24 passengers who had just flown in from Israel.

Seven of the 24 passengers tested positive for coronavirus. Four of those had no symptoms, and Ciesek was surprised to find that the viral load of the specimens from the asymptomatic patients was higher than the viral load of the specimens from the three patients who did have symptoms.
Viral load is a measure of the concentration of the virus in someone's respiratory secretions. A higher load means that someone is more likely to spread the infection to other people.
While Ciesek has not yet published this finding, on February 18, she published a letter in the New England Journal of Medicine about two passengers who returned to Germany from Wuhan, China, and tested positive for coronavirus.
One of these positive passengers had no symptoms and the other had a faint rash and a mild sore throat. When she took their testing samples back to the lab, she successfully infected a cell culture with the patients' swabs.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html

cnocbui · 15-07-2020 02:01AM

The mortality rates for patients admitted to ICU:

US 70%
Italy 60%
China 44%
UK 40%
Australia 15%

Anyone know what it is here?

dalyboy · 15-07-2020 02:02AM

cnocbui wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html

That article is assumptions and vague claims. When did assumptions and claims replace SCIENTIFIC proof ? (Which is what the poster was asking for)

cnocbui · 15-07-2020 02:09AM

dalyboy wrote: »

That article is assumptions and vague claims. When did assumptions and claims replace SCIENTIFIC proof ? (Which is what the poster was asking for)

I hope you don't mind if I nominate you to lick surfaces touched by asymptomatic virus carriers, just to find out for sure.

https://msphere.asm.org/content/msph/5/3/e00442-20.full.pdf

In conclusion, surroundings of COVID-19 patients can be extensively contaminated and asymptomatic COVID-19 patients do contaminate their surroundings and impose risks for others in contact with them

US2 · 15-07-2020 02:30AM

cnocbui wrote: »

The mortality rates for patients admitted to ICU:

US 70%
Italy 60%
China 44%
UK 40%
Australia 15%

Anyone know what it is here?

Overwhelmed ICU's. Doesn't matter how good healthcare is, if the nurses and doctors can't spend enough time on you.

Airyfairy12 · 15-07-2020 03:58AM

Noticing how since the new government came into power covid numbers have risen substantially and they are no longer following the advice of medical experts, they seem to be ignoring the rising numbers and carrying on with lifting lockdown while continuing to allow international travel from high risk countries despite multiple medical professionals requesting that flights be cancelled.
Michael Martin gave a half arsed speech asking travellers to consider not coming to Ireland but isnt doing anything to actually prevent people coming into the country.
Just reading about restaurant owners turning away tourists who aren't bothering to quarantine and aren't following guidelines, arguing with business owners to let them onto the premises. Business owners and the general public shouldnt have to forcefully implement rules and regulations. I feel like the current government is leaving the public high and dry to deal with this outbreak.

yosemitesam1 · 15-07-2020 05:04AM

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Noticing how since the new government came into power covid numbers have risen substantially and they are no longer following the advice of medical experts, they seem to be ignoring the rising numbers and carrying on with lifting lockdown while continuing to allow international travel from high risk countries despite multiple medical professionals requesting that flights be cancelled.
Michael Martin gave a half arsed speech asking travellers to consider not coming to Ireland but isnt doing anything to actually prevent people coming into the country.
Just reading about restaurant owners turning away tourists who aren't bothering to quarantine and aren't following guidelines, arguing with business owners to let them onto the premises. Business owners and the general public shouldnt have to forcefully implement rules and regulations. I feel like the current government is leaving the public high and dry to deal with this outbreak.

Testing has doubled since late may/early June, official numbers mean nothing without taking changes in testing numbers and criteria into account.
Has there really been an increase, a greater percentage of infections detected or are false positives driving the numbers now?

Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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