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Gen 1 Nissan Leaf range?

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  • 22-06-2020 9:39pm
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    cpage
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭


    My working from home these last few months has made me realise how much money I am spending on diesel and car maintenance so it has got me thinking how much I might be able to save if I went electric.

    I was browsing donedeal and it has several Nissan Leafs for sale for €4-5k

    These are all Gen 1 cars with the 24kwh battery.

    I did a bit of research on the Leaf and note the original range of 100-120km but understand that this degrades with use so it is likely that the cars advertised for €4-5k a fair bit of degradation (or is it??).

    What I would really like to know and have not really been able to find out looking at various websites and forums is the following:

    Will a 2011 or 2012 Leaf with 80,000-100,000km on the clock be able to get me to work which is a 70km trip, mainly on the motorway?

    I would be grateful for any advice, particularly those who may have Gen 1 Leafs

    Thanks


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    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,762 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    A EUR4k Leaf will not do your 70km motorway trip. In summer maybe in perfect circumstances if you drive at Leaf Speed (88km/h). In winter, not a chance.

    You will need to fork out a bit more for the newer generation battery that came with 2014 cars. These can be had from about €9k, although a particularly dirty / scruffy high mileage one recently came up for sale at just €7k


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    Soarer
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    As Unkel said, you’d want to have perfect conditions, and a tailwind, to get 70km on the motorway.

    Any chance you can get a chargepoint put in at work? You’d be laughing then.

    Edit: just realised its 70km each way. Nah you’re goosed with the gen1.


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    graememk
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    Soarer wrote: »
    As Unkel said, you’d want to have perfect conditions, and a tailwind, to get 70km on the motorway.

    Any chance you can get a chargepoint put in at work? You’d be laughing then.

    Edit: just realised its 70km each way. Nah you’re goosed with the gen1.

    Devils advocate, and also pushing the price up even more, Should be ideal for a ionic?


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    cpage
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭cpage


    unkel wrote: »
    A EUR4k Leaf will not do your 70km motorway trip. In summer maybe in perfect circumstances if you drive at Leaf Speed (88km/h). In winter, not a chance.

    You will need to fork out a bit more for the newer generation battery that came with 2014 cars. These can be had from about €9k, although a particularly dirty / scruffy high mileage one recently came up for sale at just €7k


    I had a feeling a Leaf for 4-5k was too good to be true!!
    Is the 2014 car when the battery was upgraded to 30kwh?


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    cpage
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭cpage


    graememk wrote: »
    Devils advocate, and also pushing the price up even more, Should be ideal for a ionic?

    Ioniq would be nice but a bit pricey for me


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    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,070 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    cpage wrote: »
    Is the 2014 car when the battery was upgraded to 30kwh?

    161 (a few rare examples from 152)


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    cpage wrote: »
    I had a feeling a Leaf for 4-5k was too good to be true!!
    Is the 2014 car when the battery was upgraded to 30kwh?

    Late 2013 saw the Gen 2 car with better battery chemistry.
    With 11 bars and about 70 odd % SOH my old one done 100km on the motorway at 100kmph.

    2016 saw the 30 kWh battery. This would suit you perfect but I still think you’d want a charge in work to be comfortable. Even a 3 pin socket would put enough back in so that you are not driven mad every day having to stop and charge or running close to empty.


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    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,358 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I bought a Gen1 facelift 24kWh leaf (so the 132 onwards one mentioned above) to do a 110km round trip to work at the time, based on the reports the leaf could do that.

    It cant. 90km on the motorway without going so slow you're a danger to other road users.

    Take range quoted by people on the internet with a pinch of salt, multiply them by 0.7 or so to get a real range.


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    cpage
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭cpage


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Late 2013 saw the Gen 2 car with better battery chemistry.
    With 11 bars and about 70 odd % SOH my old one done 100km on the motorway at 100kmph.

    2016 saw the 30 kWh battery. This would suit you perfect but I still think you’d want a charge in work to be comfortable. Even a 3 pin socket would put enough back in so that you are not driven mad every day having to stop and charge or running close to empty.

    Thanks for the info. I didnt realise there was a battery improvement in 2013. What does SOH mean?
    I do actually have access to a charger in work. The 70km is one way, from home to work. Maybe a Gen 2 might do. 2016 well out of my price range at mo.


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    cpage
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭cpage


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I bought a Gen1 facelift 24kWh leaf (so the 132 onwards one mentioned above) to do a 110km round trip to work at the time, based on the reports the leaf could do that.

    It cant. 90km on the motorway without going so slow you're a danger to other road users.

    Take range quoted by people on the internet with a pinch of salt, multiply them by 0.7 or so to get a real range.

    Thats helpful to know.


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    cpage
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭cpage


    Sorry guys but I have another question; I have read about the 12 bars which give an idea of how much the battery has degradedegraded but what i'm wondering is if a battery has lost 2 bars does that mean the range is down about 16%?? (ie. each bar relates to approx 8% of the range)


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    Round Cable
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    cpage wrote: »
    Sorry guys but I have another question; I have read about the 12 bars which give an idea of how much the battery has degradedegraded but what i'm wondering is if a battery has lost 2 bars does that mean the range is down about 16%?? (ie. each bar relates to approx 8% of the range)

    The first battery bar lost is at 15% degradation, with each subsequent battery bar representing a 6.25% loss.


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    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,435 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    cpage wrote: »
    What does SOH mean?

    Its the battery State Of Health


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    cpage
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭cpage


    That clears up a few things for me. Thanks very much for all the advice


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