George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:19PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Not exactly, I have it on good authority that the lady setting fire to the car was concerned that someone infected with Covid-19 had been in the car and therefore she felt it was best to use intense heat to kill the virus.

This is also the reason why she was wearing the mask.

See how ridiculous some statements sound?

You are right. Your statements here do sound ridiculous.

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:19PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'll ask the same question again how do you decide when letting him do it is right or wrong,

"Telling a cop he can’t connect with the people he protects and serves or else he will be fired by the same unions that have been identified as part of the problem, is simply wrong "

A white cop in a hick town could use your above definition in way that would be completely wrong ,

The Nazi's had " simply gesture " in there fu*cked up eyes , I know in this case its not like that but to make sure these things don't happen down the line it would be easier to tell cops to remain neutral while on Duty ,

I have already said I don't agree with the "Why" from the Union boss

Well that’s getting into a whole other can of worms now you’re talking about hate crimes. And the NYPD is under probe for officers reportedly making white power gestures during the protests. Kneeling isn’t hate speech. Neither is a cop saying “merry Christmas” or “happy holidays” but bet your bottom dollar of a union fired a cop for saying the wrong Christmas or holiday salutation to someone that would be tremendously wrong of them. Same if they fired a cop for saying “Go Lakers!” Etc.

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:20PM

briany wrote: »

It's some sorry state the world has gotten itself into where you can't even kneel on the neck of a restrained man for 8 minutes while he pleads for his life and then dies, without being called a murderer. :rolleyes:

8 minutes and 46 seconds.

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:21PM

walshb wrote: »

Looting is a little bit more clear cut here....

Videos show exactly people looting, whether caught or not. They were clearly looting

Chauvin is being tried for the death of a man. Whether they can show it was deliberate ending of life (murder) or reckless actions that resulted in death is where it gets tricky.

I personally am torn.....would have no real issue with him being found guilty of 2nd degree murder.

Then you agree it’s murder! That’s all folks!

BorneTobyWilde · 12-06-2020 05:21PM

biko wrote: »

Now you can order food by race.

https://twitter.com/UberEats/status/1268643816292020224

Can you imagine if it was only promoting white businesses.

Tell me how · 12-06-2020 05:22PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

but I'm sure there are white women in Justine Damond's family, and Daniel Shaver's family, and Jeremy Mardis's family who feel that they have something to say about police brutality and we damn sure know there is in Timpa's:

I see you now are accepting that police brutality is widespread.

About time.

In terms of the rest of your comments on Chappelle, he was talking about Candace and how she generally carries and positions herself as much as he was commenting on her speaking out about Floyd.

Also, a question for you, which is more offensive, saying that a woman has a stinky pu**y, or saying that it is ok to grab women by the pu**y when you are famous?

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:24PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Can you imagine if it was only promoting white businesses.

400 years of racism, white supremacy:

America: I don’t really see anything wrong with this

Uber highlights black eateries:

“No wait just one god damn minute”

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:24PM

But you are all forgetting that this will be argued in court, with defense claiming that the cause of death wasn't Chauvin....An autopsy reporting it wasn't asphyxiation. Another reporting that it was....

"Chauvin was reckless and OTT, but he never intended for the man to die....."

This is what will be argued

Wonder what will happen if acquitted? Will people promote and encourage mayhem, in the guise of peaceful protesting? Because we know now clearly, that there is no such thing as peaceful protesting. People will hijack.

Tell me how · 12-06-2020 05:26PM

walshb wrote: »

But you are all forgetting that this will be argued in court, with defense claiming that the cause of death wasn't Chauvin....An autopsy reporting it wasn't asphyxiation. Another reporting that it was....

Chauvin was reckless and OTT, but he never intended for the man to die.....

This is what will be argued

Wonder what will happen if acquitted? Will people promote and encourage mayhem, in the guise of peaceful protesting? Because we know now clearly, that there is no such thing as peaceful protesting. People will hijack.

How do you know he never intended for the man to die?

yourdeadwright · 12-06-2020 05:27PM

Overheal wrote: »

Well that’s getting into a whole other can of worms now you’re talking about hate crimes. And the NYPD is under probe for officers reportedly making white power gestures during the protests. Kneeling isn’t hate speech. Neither is a cop saying “merry Christmas” or “happy holidays” but bet your bottom dollar of a union fired a cop for saying the wrong Christmas or holiday salutation to someone that would be tremendously wrong of them. Same if they fired a cop for saying “Go Lakers!” Etc.

They can march or rally without actually breaking the law but you still wouldn't want a police man involved ,(not that you'd want anyone involved but you get me )

I just think your best off not leaving anything to chance in this time ,

Anyway we its not going to solve the problems we currently have one way or another,

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:27PM

Tell me how wrote: »

How do you know he never intended for the man to die?

I never said that. I implied that this is what the defense will argue.....read my sentence under it.....I should have put it in quotes

I can't know for certain, but if I had to call it, I'd say that you should have known that he could have died, so for that, you are guilty.

briany · 12-06-2020 05:28PM

Do you think if the roles were reversed, Floyd would have had a chance of getting off on an, "Oops, didn't mean it." defence?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-06-2020 05:29PM

walshb wrote: »

But you are all forgetting that this will be argued in court, with defense claiming that the cause of death wasn't Chauvin....An autopsy reporting it wasn't asphyxiation. Another reporting that it was....

Chauvin was reckless and OTT, but he never intended for the man to die.....

This is what will be argued

Wonder what will happen if acquitted? Will people promote and encourage mayhem, in the guise of peaceful protesting? Because we know now clearly, that there is no such thing as peaceful protesting. People will hijack.

He knew for 2 minutes that there was no pulse, not once but twice a pulse was taken and none found.

What is suppose to happen when a police officer has a person in custody with no pulse?

A) continue restraining

begin CPR

Yeah let's go with he didn't want to kill him.

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:29PM

briany wrote: »

I'm sure that if a black man of the same background as George Floyd killed a white man (not even a cop, necessarily) in the same fashion, with the same level of evidence, it wouldn't be a murder trial. Because the cops would have put a few dozen bullets in said black man, if he were found.

It's this type **** that creates killing and hate.....

OTT exaggeration about people....bringing in color to everything...

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:31PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

He knew for 2 minutes that there was no pulse, not once but twice a pulse was taken and none found.

What is suppose to happen when a police officer has a person in custody with no pulse?

A) continue restraining
begin CPR

Yeah let's go with he didn't want to kill him.

I don't disagree with you. I was simply pointing out how this likely goes in a court of law....

Defense doing all they can to show that it was not murder.

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:32PM

briany wrote: »

Do you think if the roles were reversed, Floyd would have had a chance of getting off on an, "Oops, didn't mean it." defence?

OJ got off, didn't he?

And the evidence was overwhelming there...

A lot may depend on the jury makeup.

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:35PM

walshb wrote: »

But you are all forgetting that this will be argued in court, with defense claiming that the cause of death wasn't Chauvin....An autopsy reporting it wasn't asphyxiation. Another reporting that it was....

Chauvin was reckless and OTT, but he never intended for the man to die.....

This is what will be argued

Wonder what will happen if acquitted? Will people promote and encourage mayhem, in the guise of peaceful protesting? Because we know now clearly, that there is no such thing as peaceful protesting. People will hijack.

Perhaps the wrath of god would be unleashed. Who knows?

I can tell you that given the events surrounding the LA riots that people will not throw their hands up in the air and say “oh well.” People would March and people who want to cause trouble would join them. But that doesn’t mean they definitely will. LA happened for a lot of reasons, not just Rodney Kings abusers getting acquitted, that was just the last straw. Eg. A black man was thrown in jail for 30 days for animal abuse, a Korean shop owner was given a suspended sentence for shooting a black girl in the back of the head, and Rodney Kings abusers went scot free. Those are just the highlights.

What everyone can or should agree on is that George Floyd was murdered. The question is is the system that society has built able to exact justice? If the system will not enact justice the people will enact their own justice, demand the system change, or both.

I wouldn’t get too distracted by BLM. This is a police state issue. It does have racist foundations, that are undeniable. But people who defend the system want people to attack BLM on this line of “why just blacks?” Seeking to divide people who all agree that the system of law and order in the United States is broken from the very bottom to the very top.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-06-2020 05:35PM

walshb wrote: »

I don't disagree with you. I was simply pointing out how this likely goes in a court of law....

Defense doing all they can to show that it was not murder.

"Never intended for the man to die" is your words. Not doing CPR as soon as he knew there was no pulse, there is intent to let him die. Lack of/no oxygen to the brain for 2 minutes because he wants to continue to sit a top of him, I'll go with intent to cause serious harm/death.

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:37PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

"Never intended for the man to die" is your words. Not doing CPR as soon as he knew there was no pulse, there is intent to let him die. Lack of/no oxygen to the brain for 2 minutes because he wants to continue to sit a top of him, I'll go with intent to cause serious harm/death.

FFS, I was intending it as their (defense) words, not mine....

I told you. I forgot to put quotes to be extra clear...

Your are being deliberately obtuse here to create argument.....

Defense will likely say that Chauvin did not intend George to die.....

I am not saying that at all, because it is not possible for me, or anyone to know. Only Chauvin really knows.

Outlaw Pete · 12-06-2020 05:37PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I see you now are accepting that police brutality is widespread.

About time.

"About time" ?? lol

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

There seems to be a determined attempt to show that black people are being oppressed in America and that there is systemic racism in the police force and it really isn't helping. There absolutely should be marches on the street right now, but they shouldn't be about black lives mattering, they should be about police brutality as a whole, as that is what the real issue is.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You say that as of police brutality is not something other races have to contend with but that's just false, no matter how many hashtags claim otherwise. The truth is that when the victims of police brutality are white, the mainstream media just don't report on those instances of police brutality in anywhere near as amplified a way as when the victim was black and the cop white. Daniel Shaver perhaps the only case of an unarmed white guy being killed which was covered comparably to a white cop black victim killing.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The truth is Police brutality in America is something which affects all races and it should not be a problem which is discussed from the perspective that it only affects one. There are many factors at play in such deaths. Screaming racism just because a cop was white and the victim black helps nobody and just fuels division. In fact some studies have even shown that there is more hesitation when a suspect is black given the reactions we have seen over the years.

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:39PM

walshb wrote: »

FFS, I was intending it as their (defense) words, not mine....

I told you. I forgot to put quotes to be extra clear...

Your are being deliberately obtuse here to create argument.....

Defense will likely say that Chauvin did not intend George to die.....

They’ll say that but I think the other arguments in the last few posts nail their coffin. No pulse no CPR no apparent concern for his health or well being

And hands in his pockets.

He didn’t give a ****.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-06-2020 05:39PM

walshb wrote: »

FFS, I was intending it as their (defense) words, not mine....

I told you. I forgot to put quotes to be extra clear...

Your are being deliberately obtuse here to create argument.....

Defense will likely say that Chauvin did not intend George to die.....

Yes, and the prosecution has the evidence to prove that to be wrong.

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:40PM

Overheal wrote: »

They’ll say that but I think the other arguments in the last few posts nail their coffin. No pulse no CPR no apparent concern for his health or well being

And hands in his pockets.

He didn’t give a ****.

I agree.......

Hands in pockets and defiant stare at the "hecklers" really disturbed me.

briany · 12-06-2020 05:42PM

walshb wrote: »

OJ got off, didn't he?

And the evidence was overwhelming there...

A lot may depend on the jury makeup.

Last time I checked, the case against OJ wasn't so strong as to feature HD video of him stabbing his wife, and looking into the camera nonchalantly while he did it. Not that I'm saying he did or did not do it.

But before this segues into a side argument about OJ Simpson, I still am thoroughly unconvinced that a man such as Floyd would have been able to kill a cop in the same fashion with the same level of evidence and even expect to live to tell the story, never mind go on trial.

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:42PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Yes, and the prosecution has the evidence to prove that to be wrong.

But can they prove it?

You know the defense will attack it vigorously and bring in every expert then can to discredit

Typical defense, of course. And to be expected.

Anyone thinking the case is clear cut is being very naive.

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:43PM

I just can’t fathom how the jury isn’t going to be asked why he had his hands in his pockets. His hands are a less lethal form of restraint. His hands can check pulse. I just don’t get it.

walshb · 12-06-2020 05:44PM

briany wrote: »

Last time I checked, the case against OJ wasn't so strong as to feature HD video of him stabbing his wife, and looking into the camera nonchalantly while he did it. Not that I'm saying he did or did not do it.

But before this segues into a side argument about OJ Simpson, I still am thoroughly unconvinced that a man such as Floyd would have been able to kill a cop in the same fashion with the same level of evidence and even expect to live to tell the story, never mind go on trial.

Ok, so you are blanket claiming that a whole force are capable of cold blooded murder if the reverse was true here?

Talk about stoking race relations....

You do realize that there are a lot of black people on the police force....? Would they be in on it, too, or just white cops?

Are you saying that white cops would not tolerate the reverse, and would kill a man in cold blood rather than apprehend?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-06-2020 05:47PM

I get that the two differing autopsies will be disputed greatly in court.. the defence "no asphyxiation" the prosecution "asphyxiation"..

The defenses case falls apart imo why chauvin when finding out twice that there was no pulse, why wasn't CPR started immediately. It's a complete dereliction of duty to protect life.

Outlaw Pete · 12-06-2020 05:48PM

Candace responded as she should I see. Pointless responding in kind with a comedian as they'll always win when it comes to trading one or two line insults back and forth. Instead challenging him to make his comments to her face, which of course he won't do, but sure would love to see it.

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1271471604208472072

Overheal · 12-06-2020 05:50PM

walshb wrote: »

Ok, so you are blanket claiming that a whole force are capable of cold blooded murder if the reverse was true here?

Talk about stoking race relations....

You do realize that there are a lot of black people on the police force....? Would they be in on it, too, or just white cops?

Are you saying that white cops would not tolerate the reverse, and would kill a man in cold blood rather than apprehend?

Sorry but cops are a gang. If someone kills one of their own they will enact revenge. If the perp isn’t killed during the “arrest” they are taken somewhere a camera isn’t looking to have their gut checked.

I’ve seen too many examples of those videos and too many examples of people dying in police custody, often for less than killing a cop. But I stand by my mention of Christopher Dorner, and the 400 cops that showed up to that cabin.

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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