George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Podge_irl wrote: »

Why?

The police are not moving out of line popping in among the protesters, kneeling and shouting "defund the police".

The police in Camden NJ who knelt with protesters were not, themselves, protesting. It was a way of indicating they were listening to and open to the protesters and were not "the enemy". It is good community policing.

Look your not going to change my opinion
It opens a can of worms for police to be allowed show there social and political views while on duty ,

Its not rocket science to see problems it can cause in the future ,

Police on his free time can go into the community and explain his own thought s

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Ok lets me try and make this simple for you and give you an example closer to home ,so you might understand my stance,

Say during the "repeal the 8th " movement here in Ireland ,

Would you be happy if Garda on duty in uniform joined the side who where against it and while in uniform joined in with them waving placards and what not ?

There would be absolute murder , boards and twitter would break , Joe Duffy's ear drums would explode .

Just because you agree with a movement does not make it right for the Police to join in they should remain impartial while on duty its just being professional ,

( for the record I voted to repeal Before you start)

Such condescending bullsh!t. I couldn't give a sh!t what way you voted.

I forgot, you have the choice to support police brutality, let's talk about George Floyd's past, we need to justify the brutality.

biko wrote: »

They can protest on their own time.
Uniformed personnel should not show political allegiance to anything.

So you agree the police union boss in Chicago should get fired?

Those colours were fairly well planted to the mast there. This has nothing to do with unprofessional or not showing allegiance.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

No its not ,
In what world would you correlate me saying police should remain impartial on Duty to its ok to kill someone ?

Are you 6 ? Have you fallen over recently ? do you need a nap ?

No I'm neither of those things. But you're right falling over can be very dangerous and cause brain injury. Should be avoided.

To be serious I actually don't have a problem with police "not kneeling" In the absence of reform it could be taken as empty tokenism.
The worrying thing for me is that it shows the unaccountable power of the police unions have It wasn't the police dept chiefs giving that order it was a union threatening expulsion from the lodge.
The unions are political and they obviously have power over officers that is not a good model of policing.

joe40 wrote: »

No I'm neither of those things. But you're right falling over can be very dangerous and cause brain injury. Should be avoided.

To be serious I actually don't have a problem with police "not kneeling" In the absence of reform it could be taken as empty tokenism.
The worrying thing for me is that it shows the unaccountable power of the police unions have It wasn't the police dept chiefs giving that order it was a union threatening expulsion from the lodge.
The unions are political and they obviously have power over officers that is not a good model of policing.

Multiple occasion iv said I don't agree with the Union boss ,

I just personal believe any police force should always remain impartial while on duty and just do there job ,

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is the police Union boss a government job ?

They are police are they not? So what scenario do we have here. The rank and file can't show political allegiance but their higher ups can? That seems like a ridiculous system.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iv countless times said I don't agree with what he has said

I was asking you a serious question , I have no idea how they employ the Union boss, I thought it could be a retired cop ,

AFAIK it is a police officer elected by union members and payed by union fees so technically not government employed but payed only by government funds since the fees will be a tax on officers in effect.

Fair enough. Hopefully he retracts the statements soon but unlikely.

Christy42 wrote: »

AFAIK it is a police officer elected by union members and payed by union fees so technically not government employed but payed only by government funds since the fees will be a tax on officers in effect.

Fair enough. Hopefully he retracts the statements soon but unlikely.

That's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure
So they are not actually on the government payroll in that positon ,

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

huh? union dues are paid by its members. nothing to do with the government. it is not a tax

With that being the case how could anyone but the union members ask for him to resign ? Have they asked called for it

Again I don not agree with him ,

yourdeadwright wrote: »

With that being the case how could anyone but the union members ask for him to resign ? Have they asked called for it

Again I don not agree with him ,

anybody can ask anybody to resign. only the members have the power to make it happen.

The infamous photo OP, all the boys getting sued.

"A group of three plaintiffs is suing President Donald Trump, Attorney General William Barr, Defense Secretary Mark Esper, D.C. National Guard Commanding General William Walker, U.S. Park Police Acting Chief Gregory Monahan, and Secret Service Director James Murray for actions taken by law enforcement on June 1 to remove protesters from Lafayette Park outside of the White House."

https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/lafayette-park-protesters-sue-trump-barr-esper-and-other-officials-for-violent-attack-near-white-house/?utm_source=mostpopular

Thoughts ?

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1271333594330329088?s=19

US2 wrote: »

Thoughts ?

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1271333594330329088?s=19

He is a Labour Politician. The Labour Party that just got it's worst spanking in 60 years.

Everything is to the extreme far right of him.

Ask him if these thugs are men with born with penises or men born with vagina's....that'll get the feminists in the Party knickers in such a twist they'll oust him!!!

US2 wrote: »

Thoughts ?

https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1271333594330329088?s=19

Welcome to the era of ****wittery. Well, I guess it masks over his own failures in tackling Covid-19.

But it's typical really. The left can never go too far, but anyone to the 'right' of Labour is hard/far-right.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yesterday people where banging on about how the police should have been more professional in the 75 yearold incident
Today the same people want the police to be unprofessional about something else,

There’s nothing unprofessional about community engagement.