George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

zpehtsfd · 09-06-2020 08:45PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Like a number of posters here, the lack of self awareness from this police union guy is incredible.

Crying 'stop treating us like animals and thugs' despite the fact that is exactly what police forces have been doing to minority communities for decades and again to peaceful protesters over the last 2 weeks.

https://twitter.com/AugustTakala/status/1270399690912272384?s=20

Generalize much? You have 700K cops making 10m+ arrests every year in the US. Talk about lack of self awareness.

Timberrrrrrrr · 09-06-2020 08:45PM

Cupatae wrote: »

How do you know chauvin didn't kill him by accident ?

Where do ya wanna draw the line for being ridiculous?

Easy to not notice if a note is fake

Not so easy to notice that a man is dying under your knee after you kneel on him for 9 minutes.

Overheal · 09-06-2020 08:45PM

JJayoo wrote: »

Ya let's defund the cops

BBC News - Chicago sees deadliest day in 60 years amid protests
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52984535

"Chicago saw its deadliest day in at least 60 years last month, with 18 killings within a 24-hour period on 31 May."

"
Over the last weekend in May - a three day holiday - 85 people were shot and 24 killed, according to the University of Chicago Crime Lab."

"Mr Kapustin added that protests over Mr Floyd's 25 May death in police custody may have distracted Chicago Police Department (CPD) resources from normal patrol duties."

"When CPD has to turn its attention elsewhere and there's suddenly this vacuum that opens up, you also unfortunately see a picture like you saw with [last] weekend where you see an absurd amount of carnage, people getting injured and killed," he said. "

Criminals took advantage of a very public diversion of police forces shocker.

That will be the case regardless of size of any given police force. Even if a precinct kept the same patrols, and added staff to respond to a protest or a riot, news of that riot would still inspire an increase in crime elsewhere in the jurisdiction. So, I don’t see that this is an automatic condemnation of the debate to sequester funds away from police, who are rolling around with chemical weapons and MRAPs while doctors and nurses are shuffling around wearing trash bags and makeshift PPE.

walshb · 09-06-2020 08:46PM

Cupatae wrote: »

How do you know chauvin didn't kill him by accident ?

Where do ya wanna draw the line for being ridiculous?

I personally think there was more to it than accidental..

But I get your point.

Cupatae · 09-06-2020 08:47PM

joe40 wrote: »

I don't doubt the story is true, it has been well documented and mentioned here on numerous occasions. I just find it amusing that you came on the story in a hip hop website.

Well I thought it d be less likely to be descredited if it was coming from a source that is based on music culturally dominated by black people.

But of course you attacked the only thing you could the source cause the facts were untouchable

xtal191 · 09-06-2020 08:47PM

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1270411009182875650

~Rebel~ · 09-06-2020 08:47PM

Cupatae wrote: »

https://classichiphopmagazine.com/editor/2020/6/8/george-floyd-posed-as-a-water-company-man-to-rob-a-pregnant-woman

That's the hero being cheered for.The double standards are unreal .

The snowflakes will reel off how many black people are in jail but conviently leave stuff like this out.

Dude... we had a decent chat last week privately, where you told me you were intent only on learning, and finding the genuine heart of the situation. And then you post this?

Come on man, you’re better than that... no one is calling George Floyd a hero, rather than simply stating he was a man who did not deserve to die. Who committed no crime worthy of slow, agonising death, without trial or even charge.

Using right wing rhetoric like snowflakes doesn’t exactly help either.. like, it’s grand, but it’s just an invocation of a political strata to which I wouldn’t have thought you wanted to belong, from our chat.

xtal191 · 09-06-2020 08:48PM

https://twitter.com/EricDJuly/status/1270185497160278017

09-06-2020 08:48PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Where has anyone said that about white people?

Is this another one of those 2+2+incredible insecurity=5 situations?

No insecurities here chief. I'm apparently living my privileged life.

Feel sorry for all the minorities though. You feeling the same?

joe40 · 09-06-2020 08:48PM

walshb wrote: »

No. Read again.

Picking out couple examples here and there of what people believe to be wrongdoing, to use as some claim that the police are corrupt, is rubbish

There is context. Try and follow it.

You are describing innocent people been shot as a

"couple of examples here and there of what people believe to be wrongdoing"

Seriously, you can't dismiss these killings that easily.

They may not be overtly racist, that is true but there is a pattern which suggests otherwise, and it is very wrong to dismiss lose of life in such a blase fashion.

Each one of those deaths is a tragedy.

walshb · 09-06-2020 08:50PM

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1270411009182875650

That is one big man.

Not nice to see him getting hit, but the cop in question had to bring him down, and he was not cooperating.

Foxtrol · 09-06-2020 08:50PM

JJayoo wrote: »

So just lump all cops in? Great approach...so all black people are theiving scum because I have seen videos of some black people looting?

Or do you just use generalisations when it suits?

That is the lack of self-awareness. They have been proven to racially profile but then cry about being profiled themselves.

I don't like generalizing but if cops don't want to be lumped in together they need to kick out the bad apples and be open to reform. Instead their unions are refusing to admit there is a problem, fighting reform, and celebrating their colleagues that are charged with crimes.

https://twitter.com/enoughbadapples/status/1270153472109957120?s=20

https://twitter.com/FirenzeMike/status/1269993700937138177?s=20

https://twitter.com/bobbydupree/status/1269294976669642752?s=20

Cupatae · 09-06-2020 08:51PM

JJayoo wrote: »

So just lump all cops in? Great approach...so all black people are theiving scum because I have seen videos of some black people looting?

Or do you just use generalisations when it suits?

Nah you can't do that you can only make generalization s when it is benifical to the BLM and the snowflakes that follow it's agenda.

Cops = Bad Guys
Black Community = all victims

Is the jist of how this tread is going.

Overheal · 09-06-2020 08:53PM

Cupatae wrote: »

The delusion?

That there's some mass travesty happening to all black people in America that is imposed by some external power and that they are devoid of all chance and oppertunity based on there skin color and that the black community are exempt of all fault or responsibility for there current circumstances.

What's the KKK and dlyan what ever his name have to do with gf and the current riots ? I think ya missed the bus for that one.

George Floyd was murdered over $20. Dylan Roof got arrested without being brutalized, and was fed Burger King. Do you need a map?

The underlined bit is just some out your hole rubbish strawman of your own design and not deserving of much more response than that.

walshb · 09-06-2020 08:53PM

joe40 wrote: »

You are describing innocent people been shot as a

"couple of examples here and there of what people believe to be wrongdoing"

Seriously, you can't dismiss these killings that easily.

They may not be overtly racist, that is true but there is a pattern which suggests otherwise, and it is very wrong to dismiss lose of life in such a blase fashion.

Each one of those deaths is a tragedy.

And I clearly said that death and hurt and tragedy and accidents happen..

Millions and millions of cop scenarios in the U.S. every year....

There will always, sadly, be instances (albeit a very very small number) that are down to mistakes, recklessness and over-zealous cops.

These incidents are not down to a corrupt force....

Foxtrol · 09-06-2020 08:54PM

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1270411009182875650

So you're also on the side of police reform?

Welcome aboard!

Foxtrol · 09-06-2020 08:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No insecurities here chief. I'm apparently living my privileged life.

Feel sorry for all the minorities though. You feeling the same?

What nonsense were you talking about white people then?

joe40 · 09-06-2020 08:56PM

Cupatae wrote: »

Nah you can't do that you can only make generalization s when it is benifical to the BLM and the snowflakes that follow it's agenda.

Cops = Bad Guys
Black Community = all victims

Is the jist of how this tread is going.

Literally nobody has said that, and why are you calling people snowflakes? It's really silly.

walshb · 09-06-2020 08:56PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

So you're also on the side of police reform?

Welcome aboard!

What was wrong with the clip?

Did the black officer not do his job? Was he exhibiting police brutality, or did he need to do as he did to restrain that very large man, who did lash out?

Maybe the cop saw and felt and heard that this man was a threat....?

Cupatae · 09-06-2020 08:56PM

Overheal wrote: »

George Floyd was murdered over $20. Dylan Roof got arrested without being brutalized, and was fed Burger King. Do you need a map?

The underlined bit is just some out your hole rubbish strawman of your own design and not deserving of much more response than that.

He was 100% murdered .

It's almost as if no two situations are the same... Do you need a map? Oh wait your blindly following the mob, you ll be alright.

~Rebel~ · 09-06-2020 08:58PM

Cupatae wrote: »

Nah you can't do that you can only make generalization s when it is benifical to the BLM and the snowflakes that follow it's agenda.

Cops = Bad Guys
Black Community = all victims

Is the jist of how this tread is going.

I find it’s actually only the pro-cop folks that are making absurdist overstatements like this, while pro blm folks have generally been more nuanced... a huuuge part of the problem is that black communities are poorer, with fewer opportunities, and so more likely to end up involved in crime. As well as the systemic problems Black folks have to deal with in the here and now, these are things that have to be tackled so the next generations have a better fairer chance.

America is reeeaallyy bad at that though. I’ve personally seen it in action with the homelessness in LA, where on top of not dealing with the current homeless crisis, they are also not providing the necessary social care to the people who will become homeless tomorrow. If they did that, and at least stopped the numbers from spiralling, it would be a huge help, and save an absolute bloody fortune. But alas, there’s been little sign of it over the past 8 years I’ve lived there. There have at least been murmurings of such more recently, but I’ll not hold my breath...

Cupatae · 09-06-2020 08:59PM

joe40 wrote: »

Literally nobody has said that, and why are you calling people snowflakes? It's really silly.

You ve clearly missed a lot of posts. Like one or two pages ago...

Foxtrol · 09-06-2020 08:59PM

walshb wrote: »

And I clearly said that death and hurt and tragedy and accidents happen..

Millions and millions of cop scenarios in the U.S. every year....

There will always, sadly, be instances (albeit a very very small number) that are down to mistakes, recklessness and over-zealous cops.

These incidents are not down to a corrupt force....

Given how police forces are fighting reforms and have been consistently found to have lied over the last week then it bring your point on corruption into question (big thread in link)

https://twitter.com/Relentlessbored/status/1269769130422538240?s=20

joe40 · 09-06-2020 09:01PM

walshb wrote: »

And I clearly said that death and hurt and tragedy and accidents happen..

Millions and millions of cop scenarios in the U.S. every year....

There will always, sadly, be instances (albeit a very very small number) that are down to mistakes, recklessness and over-zealous cops.

These incidents are not down to a corrupt force....

Why does it not happen here, UK Canada, Australia or any European country to anywhere near the same extent.

I never went as far as saying police are all corrupt but there definitely seems to be a mentality or ethos of extreme violence with very little accountability.

That needs to change. If BLM acts as a catalyst for that change then that has to be a good thing.

If these protests result in reforms that ultimately save lives I'm all for that. Big "if" I know but reform has to happen.

KiKi III · 09-06-2020 09:02PM

walshb wrote: »

And I clearly said that death and hurt and tragedy and accidents happen..

Millions and millions of cop scenarios in the U.S. every year....

There will always, sadly, be instances (albeit a very very small number) that are down to mistakes, recklessness and over-zealous cops.

These incidents are not down to a corrupt force....

Yeah, Derek Chauvin had about 19 “accidents” on his record but I notice you’re not dragging up articles about that.

Must have been very clumsy to have all those accidents.

Some might even say he wasn’t well suited to police work. Some might say if his superiors had responded appropriately to the barrage of previous complaints against him George Floyd’s children would still have a Dad.

Overheal · 09-06-2020 09:02PM

xtal191 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EricDJuly/status/1270185497160278017

In fact most Americans everyday on social media discuss “inner city violence.” Amazing that I never see Fox News do a Sunday documentary piece on it either, you know? :rolleyes:

There were probably also murders in Birmingham, or Colorado Springs. But nobody ever talks about that? Conspiracy!

Or could it be that people absorb that through local news? It is rare to read or hear people discuss murders in my town or county, and sure it happens. I think Irish people misconstrue the scope of Gun violence in the United States. While I could appreciate that if someone was shot dead in Ennis it would be the talk of the region, here in the US it’s any other night and it’s across town with scant public details anyway. The electorate is more interested when a police officer - the institution that’s supposed to solve and help prevent said murders - appears to be abusing his authority to murder someone in custody.

Overheal · 09-06-2020 09:04PM

Cupatae wrote: »

He was 100% murdered .

It's almost as if no two situations are the same... Do you need a map? Oh wait your blindly following the mob, you ll be alright.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Do you not agree that neither situation called for murdering an arrestee?

Cupatae · 09-06-2020 09:04PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I find it’s actually only the pro-cop folks that are making absurdist overstatements like this, while pro blm folks have generally been more nuanced... a huuuge part of the problem is that black communities are poorer, with fewer opportunities, and so more likely to end up involved in crime. As well as the systemic problems Black folks have to deal with in the here and now, these are things that have to be tackled so the next generations have a better fairer chance.

America is reeeaallyy bad at that though. I’ve personally seen it in action with the homelessness in LA, where on top of not dealing with the current homeless crisis, they are also not providing the necessary social care to the people who will become homeless tomorrow. If they did that, and at least stopped the numbers from spiralling, it would be a huge help, and save an absolute bloody fortune. But alas, there’s been little sign of it over the past 8 years I’ve lived there. There have at least been murmurings of such more recently, but I’ll not hold my breath...

The pro BLM are making plenty of absurd arguments on here.. all black people are innocent and any struggles they have are someone or something elses fault is the running mantra at the min.

I mean someone has to add some bit of balance to the discussion

We have plenty overstating the plight of the black community aswell to the point of being ridiculous... But what ever argument you could make for the states the BLM protests in the UK and Ireland are an absolute joke.

southstar · 09-06-2020 09:05PM

Overheal wrote: »

I don’t think there’s a person on this thread that hasn’t acknowledged and already read about his past.

It was what, 7 years ago? And he served his time for this, AND, police were arresting him on suspicion of a NON-violent crime.

Even if he had cut open the woman with a steakknife and ate the fetus like a roasted quail right after skull****ing it, it doesn’t explain nor does it justify what we saw for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, 7 years later, in reference to a SUSPECT counterfeit $20 note.

No but it seems that poverty is routinely used to explain away /excuse the types and levels of criminality.in these communities ...and maybe not without merit..but when police screw up in dealing with it ..it seems that suddenly the criminals now acquire a racial identity and the
police an ulterior motive..ie racism....all seems too convenient.The police forces and local govt in most US urban centres generally have high racial participation at all levels..though It seems that the macho militaristic element of policing communities certainly needs to be reformed

Foxtrol · 09-06-2020 09:06PM

walshb wrote: »

What was wrong with the clip?

Did the black officer not do his job? Was he exhibiting police brutality, or did he need to do as he did to restrain that very large man, who did lash out?

Maybe the cop saw and felt and heard that this man was a threat....?

Absolutely no sign of deescalation from any officer. If the guy wanted to hurt the cops he had several opportunities but didn't.

Bolded is the exact problem. The hiring and training of cops is so bad that a not insignificant number see threats everywhere and use it as an excuse to escalate situations and the current laws in many states give them cover.

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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