EV vs PHEV - we spend 99% of our time in and around Dublin

Between those two, the Peugeot has a far bigger range and can charge at up to 100kW (vs 43kW max in the Leaf - if you are lucky) and can charge at the high speed Ionity chargers that are popping up all over the country (with 4-6 stalls each, so no waiting time as opposed to the single stall old crappy ESB public chargers which you will depend on in the Leaf)

If you rarely / never need to drive beyond the range of your car, above is not so important of course, but I would worry about the fast charging system of the Leaf when it comes to reselling time as this system has been obsolete for years now

leaf has 2 usb chargers in the back as well.

as a recent owner and getting to grips with EV ownership having CCS or Chademo makes no odds and it won't either unless doing long trip dublin/galway etc, all my charging so far is on type 2. The E208 has the same 7 kW on-board charger for Type 2. I charge at work and the public charge points from ESB or shopping center provided points and not spent one kw from home yet. debating even should even bother installing a home charger, most i talk with use granny cable if the need is there. If i were to install would also need to change the meter as well. Again i charge from work free and ESB is still free so don't feel inclined, plus with electricity usage higher these days during the day so there isn't a benefit either to change meter. The dealer charge point (also everywhere nationally) is also free but not going to go out my way.

A lot of leaf haters here boil it down to not having CCS or active thermal management, but bottom line the leaf is a city car, not for long range commutes imo. So really ask yourself are you really going to be doing long regular trips, if you are then you the CCS/Chademo +plus the battery cooling is a concern you should really consider. Also consider the re sale value, for me that won't be a problem cause if anything will get a second car rather than get rid.

my main gripe with the new leaf is getting the app setup, wasn't a straight forward process. If you ask me this is where the leaf doesn't do well in. Space in the back and the decision the boss makes generally goes (wife).

with that said this thread has all the details you should need, do look at videos and other reviews to make the informed decision of what you choose.

Do consider the possibly of not making the jump for EV yet, there is a possibility dealers will slash prices to bring up demand or some other incentives later. Also considering not going for EV at all at this time and go ICE or plug in hybrid, wait till the norm reaches 80kw/100km for affordable ev and perhaps when the onboard charger is 22kw as standard etc. Or even when nissan decide to put in active thermal cooling into leafs :pac:
i doubt they will ditch the chademo standard but nobody knows.

liamog wrote: »

I drive an e-Up! and am upgrading to an electric Mini, I have no skin in this game, but the Nissan apologists are start to descend into fanboyism.

and i don't understand how people reiterate the same post of the same thing over and over again without bringing new material or keeping within scope of OP. I bought my leaf this year with full knowledge of the Chademo/CSS and no active cooling. It isn't a concern for the use i need the car to perform. I don't regret my purchase, it was earlier than i anticipated as result of some external factors making the push.

but go on keep banging that drum, don't see how it is constructive for the OP as such stuff should be discussed in the nissan leaf thread.

There is more to a car than its fast charging abilities. I think what i've said is quite clear,
short/medium regular journeys leaf should be in consideration regardless of the fast charging issues. In case you forgot this is the scope of use which the OP stated. As a new leaf owner was providing some insight.
long regular journeys, leaf's should not be anywhere near consideration imo.

also i am not a Nissan fanboy
in the Telsa fanclub, if money could stretch or decent M3 second hand i would be there in a heartbeat. so maybe in a few years will re visit to buy another car

If you have any thoughts on installing solar panels in the future, get a Zappi charger, which will charge the car with excess solar energy

Am I right in saying that you’re shortly going to have two kids, so you’ll need two car seats and you want the ability to carry another adult in the back occasionally?

If so, I think you would be mad to consider a 208, e or otherwise. There simply won’t be enough room for double buggy plus shopping plus all the baby paraphernalia. An adult simply won’t fit in the back with the two car seats. You mentioned a 4 year HP deal- in 4 years you’ll most likely have one child in school and may be into the school run/playdate scenario where you’ll need to carry a third booster seat - you’ll struggle to fit it.

Forget how the car is powered for the moment. Think of your other requirements first, then see if there’s something electric that works for you.

You’ll need something the size of the Ioniq or larger. How much longer can you wait? Reason I ask is that the VW ID3 might be an option. Afaik they should be here by year end but who knows with Covid. Even then it’s Golf sized so still small enough but you’d manage.

For comparison, when I was in your position almost 10 years ago I bought a nearly new SMax. Still have it and it’s been a fantastic car for the purpose we bought it. Still is.

In my opinion, Hybrids are a fudge. Either go Full EV or don't bother. You'll be blue in the face plugging in a Hybrid at ever hands turn. Most decent EV's will get you all the way to most locations in Ireland. A one hour stop at a fast charger and you should have enough to then get you home.

If it were me I'd go with the leaf. Bigger car and better value than the e208 which is huge money for what you get.

A 19 leaf is 27 to 28k so good value.

The nuances of battery and charging or range will never affect you or be an issue so I wouldn't even weigh it up.

Test drove the leaf and its well nice.

Remember it's just a car and can be sold and changed as needs change over time so don't over think it!

i bought new for that price..

championc wrote: »

In my opinion, Hybrids are a fudge. Either go Full EV or don't bother. You'll be blue in the face plugging in a Hybrid at ever hands turn.

Why is that?
You plug it in once a day the same as you would a BEV.

championc wrote: »

Most decent EV's will get you all the way to most locations in Ireland. A one hour stop at a fast charger and you should have enough to then get you home.

:eek:

No thanks. And I think you'll find most of the general public wont be up for that either.

Lumen wrote: »

The problem is that whilst there are many, many places in Ireland that I'd like to spend an hour, none of them are motorway service stations.

Indeed. Soleless places where you just want to get in and out as quickly as you can.

Having to stay longer because of the car you drive is a no no for me.

My own goal for my next EV is to be able to drive Cork-Dublin (@ 120km/h) with no more than a 15-20min stop, which is close to how long it would take to get in/out of the shop and toilet anyway.

I think thats do-able with the new wave of EV's... e208 and ID.3 (with optional 100kW charging) should be able to do it.

KCross wrote: »

Indeed. Soleless places where you just want to get in and out as quickly as you can.

Having to stay longer because of the car you drive is a no no for me.

My own goal for my next EV is to be able to drive Cork-Dublin (@ 120km/h) with no more than a 15-20min stop, which is close to how long it would take to get in/out of the shop and toilet anyway.

I think thats do-able with the new wave of EV's... e208 and ID.3 (with optional 100kW charging) should be able to do it.

I've an e-Niro, so I can almost get to Cork and back, and when I'm commuting after this lockdown, my 60km daily round trip will require charging once per week.

So a splash and dash on a return leg is very possible, but the likelihood is that I'd get it charged at a public AC charge point overnight.

Black_Knight wrote: »

2 stops at 120km/hr in an Ioniq 28 Cork-Dublin, unless you're brave/stupid.

Why would you need to stop twice? Isn't it approx. 260km?
Surely, setting out with a fully charged Ioniq, just one 15 minute stop would suffice?

You should check your Ioniq's tyre pressures - you must have terrible efficiency .