George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Overheal · 01-06-2020 08:49PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Independent autopsy isn’t a court of law. That’s where all the evidence will be produced and we will get answers.

Suddenly “it has to be decided in a court of law”

Five minutes ago: “if you can talk you can breathe”

We see you.

Overheal · 01-06-2020 08:50PM

Brevedar wrote: »

Is there any evidence that Trump is racist?

Loads. Google is your friend.

standardg60 · 01-06-2020 08:52PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Independent autopsy isn’t a court of law. That’s where all the evidence will be produced and we will get answers.

You were extremely happy to support the findings of the first autopsy though.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 01-06-2020 08:53PM

ElmoLaw wrote: »

good point. wierd that both are so different. 1st report was a sham IMO and tried to tell us what we saw with our own eyes wasnt true.

Yeah, there's ways of looking at it.. even if it wasn't the strangulation and it was the underlying conditions that killed him.. there is so much evidence that their actions were not in anyway other then to torture the man, if he resisted them, he was going to pay for it.. their actions led by that cnut and the willingness of the others to not rip him off his neck led to his death. Everyone of them are culpable of his murder.

completedit · 01-06-2020 08:54PM

I've heard people tarnish eastern europeans, gypsies, travellers in awful terms, talk about how America is such a bad and terrible country. they don't understand that the same thinking that people are inherently no better or worse, is what leads to the type of country America has

weldoninhio · 01-06-2020 08:55PM

Overheal wrote: »

Suddenly “it has to be decided in a court of law”

Five minutes ago: “if you can talk you can breathe”

We see you.

I stand by that. It’s always been my contention that it will be decided in court. As I said earlier, if there was a lot of plaque built up in etc in Mr Floyds arteries and/or he has taken intoxicants it would be very hard to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the cop caused death.

Of course, his arteries could be clear and the cop could get send down. I’m playing devils advocate, but from the video I don’t think asphyxiation was the cause of death. That’s my opinion, nothing else.

Tony EH · 01-06-2020 08:55PM

theballz wrote: »

The protests today in town were incredibly frustrating. People not social distancing or wearing gloves/masks.

I get the unrest, upside and urge to show support - however, we are going through a terrible crisis at the moment. Many more could die as a result.

The tragedy of Floyd's murder aside, those clowns out there on their "protest" today are the worst kind of gobshites.

I'd say a good half percentage of them were there because they had fuck all else to do. Exactly what it is they think they are going to achieve is anybody's guess.

It probably didn't even register with the targets they're protesting against.

weldoninhio · 01-06-2020 08:57PM

standardg60 wrote: »

You were extremely happy to support the findings of the first autopsy though.

Extremely happy? I live in Dublin. A case in butthole, Minnesota has no real baring on my emotions either way. Sorry to disappoint. It’s a discussion board.

Shanotheslayer · 01-06-2020 08:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I stand by that. It’s always been my contention that it will be decided in court. As I said earlier, if there was a lot of plaque built up in etc in Mr Floyds arteries and/or he has taken intoxicants it would be very hard to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the cop caused death.

Of course, his arteries could be clear and the cop could get send down. I’m playing devils advocate, but from the video I don’t think asphyxiation was the cause of death. That’s my opinion, nothing else.

Hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt? Easiest thing to prove.

Your opinion is factually wrong

ExMachina1000 · 01-06-2020 08:57PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1267141940547469312

I'm not sure if swat police need disposal uniforms or nurses require automatic weapons to treat patients though

Overheal · 01-06-2020 08:57PM

Tony EH wrote: »

The tragedy of Floyd's murder aside, those clowns out there on their "protest" today are the worst kind of gobshites.

I'd say a good half percentage of them were there because they had fuck all else to do. Exactly what it is they think they are going to achieve is anybody's guess.

It probably didn't even register with the targets they're protesting against.

It’s almost as if a few bad apples spoil the public’s opinion of an entire bunch.

Huh.

Yurt2 · 01-06-2020 08:58PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I stand by that. It’s always been my contention that it will be decided in court. As I said earlier, if there was a lot of plaque built up in etc in Mr Floyds arteries and/or he has taken intoxicants it would be very hard to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the cop caused death.

Of course, his arteries could be clear and the cop could get send down. I’m playing devils advocate, but from the video I don’t think asphyxiation was the cause of death. That’s my opinion, nothing else.

You have to be joking right?

Are you seriously mounting an argument on this basis and trying to play it off like you know how the justice system works?

froog · 01-06-2020 08:58PM

good article on the neck restraint and police training in Minnesota in general.

in summary - most states don't allow this technique but Minnesota is an exception. quotes from minnesota police training organisations seem very vague. also the cop in question had a history of complaints made against him.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/

Mad_maxx · 01-06-2020 08:59PM

theballz wrote: »

The protests today in town were incredibly frustrating. People not social distancing or wearing gloves/masks.

I get the unrest, upside and urge to show support - however, we are going through a terrible crisis at the moment. Many more could die as a result.

that the government allowed it to go ahead makes the long drawn out loosening of covid 19 restrictions a complete farce

blade1 · 01-06-2020 09:00PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I stand by that. It’s always been my contention that it will be decided in court. As I said earlier, if there was a lot of plaque built up in etc in Mr Floyds arteries and/or he has taken intoxicants it would be very hard to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the cop caused death.

Of course, his arteries could be clear and the cop could get send down. I’m playing devils advocate, but from the video I don’t think asphyxiation was the cause of death. That’s my opinion, nothing else.

Hi Johnnie Cochran!

begbysback · 01-06-2020 09:00PM

Brevedar wrote: »

Is there any evidence that Trump is racist?

On the contrary, maga love black people

https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1266797274149146624

Overheal · 01-06-2020 09:00PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

that the government allowed it to go ahead makes the long drawn out loosening of covid 19 restrictions a complete farce

“Allowed it”

?

standardg60 · 01-06-2020 09:01PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Two widely differing reports is probably a bad thing here..

Much better if both were closer together.

The attorney for the family calling for a bump in charge to 1st degree murder (imo it was).

Agreed, piper payer calling the tune.
Imo it was too, he had his knee on his neck within a minute of arriving, had no idea of what had happened before, Floyd was clearly under the influence and was no threat to anyone.
Breaks my heart to hear him calling for Mama.

Yurt2 · 01-06-2020 09:05PM

Overheal wrote: »

“Your honor the suspect was simply not healthy enough to be brutalized by my client”

JFK wasn't murdered in the legal sense. He had an unusually tender skull due to a lack of calcium intake and had the misfortune to drive by the book depository as Lee Harvey Oswald was innocently testing his rifle that he got for his birthday. He mistook Jackie Kennedy's hat for a pheasant. Honest mistake.

#weldonihnolegalplaybook

BluePlanet · 01-06-2020 09:05PM

Just saw this video about an unhinged cop in NY pulling out his weapon and aiming at protesters.
This is how it will go down: unhinged cops will start shooting ppl; protesters will then start bringing guns.

https://twitter.com/jangelooff/status/1267308341660979200

Dr. Bre · 01-06-2020 09:06PM

Dr Tony won’t be happy with the social distancing at that March today in Dublin

alchemist33 · 01-06-2020 09:07PM

It'd be interesting to see both reports in full. We only seem to see snippets from the press. I found it odd that the first attributed some blame to "potential intoxicants" when they didn't even have the toxicology results.
And on the second, if there were features found suggestive of asphyxia, it makes that conclusion more fact than opinion.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 01-06-2020 09:07PM

standardg60 wrote: »

Agreed, piper payer calling the tune.
Imo it was too, he had his knee on his neck within a minute of arriving, had no idea of what had happened before, Floyd was clearly under the influence and was no threat to anyone.
Breaks my heart to hear him calling for Mama.

Someone reminded me of the Thomas Kelly incident from 2011, also posted on this thread after I was reminded.. I thought that would be the worse case of brutality I'd witness from cops, nope step up these 4 fcuks in full view of people recording them they didn't give a sh!t, the attitude of blue uniform/badge stayed strong through out

nullzero · 01-06-2020 09:15PM

Overheal wrote: »

Suddenly “it has to be decided in a court of law”

Five minutes ago: “if you can talk you can breathe”

We see you.

We see you too.

Everyone who has a different opinion to you is automatically a racist.

Shanotheslayer · 01-06-2020 09:18PM

nullzero wrote: »

We see you too.

Everyone who has a different opinion to you is automatically a racist.

Well whoever thinks the cop kneeling on his neck didn't kill him are either a racist or an idiot.

And if you're a racist, you're an idiot.

DelaneyIn · 01-06-2020 09:19PM

Feck anyone who attended that bull**** today, all for their own self gratification and Instagram.

Black Lives Matter.

Not elderly Irish people though or those with compromised immune systems even if such people are also black.

There are smarter and safer ways to organise a protest here during this time. ****ing idiots marching today over something that happened three thousand miles away and we are in the midst of a pandemic that is crucifying business and the country’s finances.

Overheal · 01-06-2020 09:19PM

nullzero wrote: »

We see you too.

Everyone who has a different opinion to you is automatically a racist.

Excuse me the fcuk?

Show me where. Bet.

Yurt2 · 01-06-2020 09:20PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Extremely happy? I live in Dublin. A case in butthole, Minnesota has no real baring on my emotions either way. Sorry to disappoint. It’s a discussion board.

The Twin Cities have a metro population of about 4 million people. Significantly larger than Dublin, so it's not exactly Beavertown Iowa we're dealing with here.

nullzero · 01-06-2020 09:25PM

Overheal wrote: »

Excuse me the fcuk?

Show me where. Bet.

Bet?

What are you? Seven years old?

Read what you're posting here, what exactly was "we see you" supposed to mean then? You posted a link to an article earlier and you clearly didn't comprehend what the heading of that article was.
Everything with you is black and white, never any grey areas, if only life was that simple.

Heaven forbid Trump should lose the election this year, you'll have nothing to crusade against.

Trump is in my opinion an idiot, to others it appears that he is personally responsible for everything negative in American society, when in actuality all the issues that are rearing their heads at the moment have existed through the entire history of that country.

The alt right are morons, and the modern "left" are just as bad.

Idiots, idiots everywhere.

Outlaw Pete · 01-06-2020 09:29PM

Yurt! wrote: »

This is the most out of control I've seen America in my lifetime, and that's some going.

I think the place finally cracked-up.

Well, it's not as bad as 2016 (yet at least - and hopefully it won't be) when 5 cops were effectively executed after a BLM march and could easily have been more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjlFWTeOT3c

The reporting since Floyd's death from the mainstream media has been disgraceful and grossly irresponsible. They have gone out of their way to push the narrative that there is systemic racism in the US police force and that it is what led to Floyd's death, when they had no proof of that.

I remember Tony Timpa's mother crying on TV when her son was similarly killed and there was no looting and violence like we are seeing now. Same with many other deaths of white people who have been killed by cops. Daniel Shaver, Justine Damond, Chase Tuseth etc.

The truth is Police brutality in America is something which affects all races and it should not be a problem which is discussed from the perspective that it only affects one. There are many factors at play in such deaths. Screaming racism just because a cop was white and the victim black helps nobody and just fuels division. In fact some studies have even shown that there is more hesitation when a suspect is black given the reactions we have seen over the years.

The cop involved here was a c***, of that there is no doubt but the mainstream news media still had an obligation to report the facts, not lead with their biased agenda. They stoked the racist angle of this story just so they could feed into a political narrative. Thankfully George's family don't seem to want to do similarly.

It is also sickening to see the same media selectively report what has been going on these past few days. Gangs looting shops, women being robbed and punched in the face and churches being burned to the ground is not "protesting" - and as Obama said (when he had to deal with similar) those who do that are just 'thugs' and 'criminals'.

https://twitter.com/TruthBToldDe/status/1266533096448540672

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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