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  • 18-04-2020 1:43pm
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    youngrun
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-single-parents-concerned-at-treatment-in-supermarkets-1.4231719

    Single parents not welcome. Find it hard to see how this is not major discrimination.

    Parents who bring young children with them as they buy essential groceries have spoken out about how uncomfortable they have been made feel by staff in some supermarkets despite claims by stores that there is no policy barring small family units from shopping together.

    Retailers have adopted strict social distancing policies to slow the spread of Covid-19 and people have been encouraged to shop alone, but for many single parents that is impossible and some have expressed concern they are being unfairly targeted.


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  • #2
    at1withmyself
    Registered Users Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    youngrun wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-single-parents-concerned-at-treatment-in-supermarkets-1.4231719

    Single parents not welcome. Find it hard to see how this is not major discrimination.

    Don't see an issue in current circumstances, loads of help available for those who can't make it to the shop themselves, single parents included.


  • #3
    [Deleted User]
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    youngrun wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-single-parents-concerned-at-treatment-in-supermarkets-1.4231719

    Single parents not welcome. Find it hard to see how this is not major discrimination.

    Not discrimination and personally I hope they enforce one person per household a lot more.

    With all the current community supports and volunteers doing shopping etc, there is not one single iota of good excuses to bring kids shopping.


  • #4
    inisboffin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    I don't think everyone has the same access to supports. I just told someone about a few of the supports and they had no idea. Asking for support if you need it seems obvious to me but maybe not to everyone. I heard about support for old and vulnerable people for sure but don't know of one specifically for single parents? Maybe there is?*

    I find it like night and day at that particular Aldi too (yep I know which one it is) with most staff being lovely but one staff member so is atrocious in his dealing with the public that I avoid shopping there myself from what I have seen.

    For a single parent living alone I think going out to the shops is much more than just getting groceries. Plenty of shops are ok with this once the kids aren't running loose so I assume they will get the business. If they don't have transport it's worse.


  • #5
    zell12
    Registered Users Posts: 23,333 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Dunnes promoting 'one person one trolley' on radio ads
    https://twitter.com/dunnesstores/status/1248189020796080128?s=20


  • #6
    TheValeyard
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    at1withmyself wrote: »
    Don't see an issue in current circumstances, loads of help available for those who can't make it to the shop themselves, single parents included.

    What help is there for single parents?

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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  • #7
    Mrs OBumble
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    youngrun wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-single-parents-concerned-at-treatment-in-supermarkets-1.4231719

    Single parents not welcome. Find it hard to see how this is not major discrimination.

    Single parents are welcome. Their germ-vectors are not.

    In the case in the article, if the kid was old enough to ride there on a bicycle, it was old enough to wait outside while the mother shopped.


    Alternatives:

    The simplest option is to ask a friend to shop for you, and drop the stuff off at your door.

    Community groups - most neighbourhoods have people who are shopping for those who cannot get out themselves. Locally, the city response forum has complied la list: https://www.galwaycity.ie/news/1610/59/Galway-City-Community-Response-Forum-COVID-19-Community-Response-Map/d,News%20Detail



    Update: 10 minutes after I posted, I heard a radio ad giving the phone numbers you can call to access co-ordinated support. List for all counties is available here (near the bottom of the page) https://www.gov.ie/en/news/ba4e3d-covid-19-ireland-launches-the-community-call-in-major-nationwide-vol/


  • #8
    45mhrc7evo1d3n
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    inisboffin wrote: »
    I don't think everyone has the same access to supports. I just told someone about a few of the supports and they had no idea. Asking for support if you need it seems obvious to me but maybe not to everyone. I heard about support for old and vulnerable people for sure but don't know of one specifically for single parents? Maybe there is?*
    TheValeyard wrote: »
    What help is there for single parents?

    I found this resource for single parents via Google: https://onefamily.ie/local-covid-19-supports/.


  • #9
    Arghus
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    First time I've seen a child described as a germ-vector.


  • #10
    Mrs OBumble
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    Arghus wrote: »
    First time I've seen a child described as a germ-vector.

    You obviously don't read the same Facebook groups I do!

    Seriously - why do you think that closing schools is one of the first community-wide responses to outbreaks of infections diseases like measles, flu, vomiting bug - and now SARS Covid-19.

    Children lack boundaries, so they spread stuff.


  • #11
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    You obviously don't read the same Facebook groups I do!

    Seriously - why do you think that closing schools is one of the first community-wide responses to outbreaks of infections diseases like measles, flu, vomiting bug - and now SARS Covid-19.

    Children lack boundaries, so they spread stuff.

    Yes, I am aware of all of this.

    Just the terminology is a bit heartless to me.

    Also the absolutist logic of the child had a bike, so therefore should be a-okay to stand unaccompanied outside a busy shop doesn't wash with me.

    Plenty of little kids cycle in the company of their parents, but wouldn't be old enough, in my view, to be left on their own in a busy spot like that, potentially for an extended period of time. And I don't think a parent should be okay with that.


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  • #12
    youngrun
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Single parents are welcome. Their germ-vectors are not.

    In the case in the article, if the kid was old enough to ride there on a bicycle, it was old enough to wait outside while the mother shopped.


    Alternatives:

    The simplest option is to ask a friend to shop for you, and drop the stuff off at your door.

    Community groups - most neighbourhoods have people who are shopping for those who cannot get out themselves. Locally, the city response forum has complied la list: https://www.galwaycity.ie/news/1610/59/Galway-City-Community-Response-Forum-COVID-19-Community-Response-Map/d,News%20Detail



    Update: 10 minutes after I posted, I heard a radio ad giving the phone numbers you can call to access co-ordinated support. List for all counties is available here (near the bottom of the page) https://www.gov.ie/en/news/ba4e3d-covid-19-ireland-launches-the-community-call-in-major-nationwide-vol/

    How is this not discrimination??
    I am stunned by the supermarkets stance on this
    .

    Is it time to end children altogether so?? No more might solve all illnesses and viruses


  • #13
    JohnCleary
    Registered Users Posts: 10,206 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    No children allowed in Aldi? Which one, i'll make it my new local.

    On a serious note....

    https://i.imgur.com/PzhbGnT.jpg


  • #14
    cooperguy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭cooperguy


    youngrun wrote: »
    How is this not discrimination??
    I am stunned by the supermarkets stance on this
    .

    Is it time to end children altogether so?? No more might solve all illnesses and viruses

    It is discrimination, but that is ok. We are also discriminating against older people and telling them they shouldnt leave their houses, we're discriminating against Dads, they are not allowed in hospitals for the birth of their children. The list is quite long, these are the things that have to be done to stop the spread of a disease.

    But we're not doing it without putting supports in place. There are a number of voluntary groups and government agencies that will help people who need it during these lock downs.


  • #15
    what_traffic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,867 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    You obviously don't read the same Facebook groups I do!

    Seriously - why do you think that closing schools is one of the first community-wide responses to outbreaks of infections diseases like measles, flu, vomiting bug - and now SARS Covid-19.

    Children lack boundaries, so they spread stuff.

    Thats your first problem, secondly the tone you adopt is so "USA".
    Whats that about?
    Anyhow Children should no longer be seen nor are they the potential super "vectors" that they once were when schools, creches etc were open. 5/6 Weeks ago that was a different story.
    Now Paediatric hospitals are looking for work at the minute.
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30108-5/fulltext
    "
    During Italy's national lockdown for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), official hospital statistics in the period March 1–27, 2020, show substantial decreases—ranging from 73% to 88%—in paediatric emergency department visits compared with the same time period in 2019 and 2018 (figure). Similarly, family paediatricians widely report a considerable reduction in clinic visits, although this is difficult to measure precisely.

    Schools and sports activities have been closed since March 1 in Italy, so it is understandable that the numbers of acute infections and traumas among children are lower than usual.
    "
    Will be interesting to see similar papers from Ireland in the future.


  • #16
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Single parents are welcome. Their germ-vectors are not.

    In the case in the article, if the kid was old enough to ride there on a bicycle, it was old enough to wait outside while the mother shopped.

    Great idea leave the "germ-vectors" outside on their own unsupervised where they will obviously completely respect social distancing and hygiene guidelines. Who know maybe if we get lucky it will end up with a group of kids from single parents end up getting left their at the same time where can stay together and self regulate in terms of social distancing :rolleyes:

    A lot of posts in this thread smack of "It's not an issue for me to get the shopping done without kids so I don't understand why others can't"


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