Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

end of the road · 05-04-2020 12:36PM

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

TV licence fee could be replaced by broadband levy, says BBC

There is also a body of opinion against the BBC within the UK and has been for several decades. Its biases have also become more apparent especially to the Brexit supporters and its pushing of identity politics is annoying a growing number of the UK public.

BBC comedian admits his own show could be 'tearing the country apart'

They have been panicked by the suggestion from the Tory government of moving to a subscription fee and decriminalising non-payment of the licence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ODfGYDm-30

the body of opinion against the bbc in the uk are generally people who want to be told what they want to hear. i'm afraid in my experience that seems to be absolutely the case with a lot of brexit supporters.
there is no bias or identity politics in terms of bbc reporting, however i do agree that the attempts to implement divercity and representation among bbc staff rather then allowing it to happen organically probably isn't helping anyone, but it is certainly not something that should be used to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Brendan Bendar · 05-04-2020 12:41PM

end of the road wrote: »

the real world we are living in where the organisation is an organisation designed to provide a public service, and where providing that public service would require more staff then an organisation providing simple entertainment programming.

i'm sure you are very happy you are correct in your mind, but it seems rte and other big organisations don't agree.
they quite rightly don't care what you or i think about the wages they pay to their staff, it's between the staff and their employer.

state owned or not, management with the experience of running a large organisation will acquire and require a high wage, thats just how it is .
300k and around that certainly seems to be appropriate pay for people capable of managing large organisations, and some even pay higher.

it would be comparable to the open market to an extent, mid way between organisations such as the bbc and itv, and smaller organisations.

as far as i understand, it is actually not in rte's remit to make a profit. sure it would be nice if it did but for it to do so would require i would suspect a paring back of the unprofitable public service output, and instead putting out even more of the entertainment fluff that it seems we all agree we do not want from rte.

Michael O'Leary is not the answer to solving issues with everything you know.
just because he was instrumental in the growth of an airline to being a very successful airline it doesn't mean he will automatically be successful in solving every other organisation's issues.
i can't imagine he has any experience of the broadcasting industry, so he would not really be a suitable candidate i would imagine.

We know all that..

Pa ElGrande · 05-04-2020 01:07PM

end of the road wrote: »

the body of opinion against the bbc in the uk are generally people who want to be told what they want to hear. i'm afraid in my experience that seems to be absolutely the case with a lot of brexit supporters.
there is no bias or identity politics in terms of bbc reporting, however i do agree that the attempts to implement divercity and representation among bbc staff rather then allowing it to happen organically probably isn't helping anyone, but it is certainly not something that should be used to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

There very definitely is a bias there and one that usually follows a politically correct narrative on specific topics. The overt implementation of diversity has directly taken them from being impartial and objective and involved themselves in a political conflict between social conservatives and social liberals in the UK. Even a program like Gardeners World does not escape the diversity quotas, admittedly I have not seen it for a while but I did notice segments where they added "diversity" that added nothing to the program other than a tick box item.

You can see political topics affect RTE coverage is the same manner on topics like climate change with political activists complaining there is not enough coverage and using the cover of the public interest to push their agenda, even though I don't watch RTE. it is a fair assumption on my part that its coverage does not question the narrative. Here is an example of a blatant propaganda image that was shown one RTE last year, the image is unsupported by the science and draws from a catastrophists own imagination but it is used to support a particular political narrative.

Harry Palmr · 05-04-2020 05:54PM

Meanwhile in Channel 4land

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/05/channel-4-pays-millions-in-bonuses-amid-coronavirus-tv-ad-slump

Channel 4 has paid out millions in bonuses to bosses and staff while opening talks with the government about potentially tapping an emergency £75m credit facility as the coronavirus hammers the TV industry.

The broadcaster, which is publicly owned but funds itself mostly through TV advertising, is estimated to have paid out more than £5m to its 903 staff last month.

The payouts, which include hundreds of thousands of pounds in bonuses each to the chief executive, Alex Mahon, the director of programmes, Ian Katz, and the commercial boss, Jonathan Allan, relate to the performance of Channel 4 last year.

It is understood Channel 4 will announce this week a range of cost-cutting measures for this year, one of which includes a temporary 20% reduction in the salary of the executive team and board.

Ad revenue is their entire income really at about 1.1bn, as idea of what's coming ITV revenue is tracking down by 34% at the moment. There'll be a massive hole by years end, even with 180m in reserves.

RabbleRouser2k · 05-04-2020 09:44PM

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

TV licence fee could be replaced by broadband levy, says BBC

They have been panicked by the suggestion from the Tory government of moving to a subscription fee and decriminalising non-payment of the licence.

That Kumar guy is an even bigger fart sniffer than I'd imagined.

The thing about identity politics is that audiences switch off. Without an audience, you can't justify your license fee.
All this 'DON'T MISGENDER ME!!!' bullcrap is starting to annoy the mainstream audience.

It's been a proven loss maker across every entertainment medium.

If they're panicked, they know that trying to conform to the 'woke' audience is going to lead to cutbacks and layoffs as money makers.

06-04-2020 10:45AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Lottie Ryan on the cover of 3 magazines at the checkouts in my local Super Valu last night. RTE pushing her harder than ever now, as predicted. RTE determined to make her a star (:rolleyes:) no matter what. They have a duty to enrich the offspring and extended families of former contractors at our expense.

Having looked at the “Who’s Who of Celebrity Talent”, could it be Noel Kelly who’s pushing her? He’s as much to gain as anyone

RabbleRouser2k · 06-04-2020 11:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Having looked at the “Who’s Who of Celebrity Talent”, could it be Noel Kelly who’s pushing her? He’s as much to gain as anyone

https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/why-rte-stars-call-noel-kelly-the-godfather-26793708.html

This explains so much. Wasn't Gerry Ryan's book pretty much a disaster? Many of the books were pulped.

The bit in that article about 'breaking' Tubridy into the UK... I only have to laugh.

Ryan fell on his ar*e over there.

ButtersSuki · 06-04-2020 11:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Having looked at the “Who’s Who of Celebrity Talent”, could it be Noel Kelly who’s pushing her? He’s as much to gain as anyone

Possibly; but either way it's a virtuous circle - Lottie on the cover of magazines shows how opoluar she is = more appearances on RTE because she's so popular = more shows = more magazine and on and on.....= more fees.

RabbleRouser2k · 06-04-2020 11:50AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Possibly; but either way it's a virtuous circle - Lottie on the cover of magazines shows how opoluar she is = more appearances on RTE because she's so popular = more shows = more magazine and on and on.....= more fees.

True... I suppose Jennifer Zamperelli's an example of this.

Was on The Apprentice UK, got noticed by RTE (probably booked Kelly too). Did a lot of interviews after the show. Wrangled herself into another Reality tv show, Failte Towers.

Then got into Republic of Telly, managed to get some sh**e dating show that died on its a**e and was cancelled not long after.
Slowly but surely wrangled her way into getting the Dancing with the Stars job... and that was one of those sure-fire ratings winners. No matter how sh**e it was, it would get the audience.

And it did-does better than the LLS on most occassions. So her agent can say 'well, this show gets a huge audience=it's because of Jen=give her more money'.

Lottie 'might' try the same angle... but so did Mairead Farrell (remember when RTE shoved her into EVERYTHING to see if she would catch on, including The Panel and the Republic of Telly. Or a revampled Movie Show that didn't even finish a season).
Lucky for Farrell, she married a NAMA millionaire.

maestroamado · 06-04-2020 11:53AM

Why not give all presenters say €100,000.
It should not be beyond technology to calculate revenue generated bhy a given programme and if they are good enough they be rewarded from this revenue. To my mind there are only a few good presenters in RTE and the rest are mediocre.
Let the people who are paying the advertising revenue decide where the spend their money and presenters rewarded accordingly.
AFAIK the way its done now it is done by time of day and prime rates probably between 8/10pm.
I see another thread here where it showed a presenter who did not even know how to dress herself and though i usually not take too much heed of this stuff i agree..
Michael O'Leary, i have a feeling he may be looking at the "aras" as he came out a few times in the last couple of years supporting FG candidates which surprised me, he may have his reasons.
I think he be great ambassador for Ireland.

RabbleRouser2k · 06-04-2020 01:17PM

I hope Noel Kelly isn't expecting a bonus for this.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/entertainment/tv/irish-broadcasters-who-caught-covid-19-all-attended-the-same-charity-bash/ar-BB12budg?ocid=spartandhp

elperello · 06-04-2020 01:31PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I hope Noel Kelly isn't expecting a bonus for this.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/entertainment/tv/irish-broadcasters-who-caught-covid-19-all-attended-the-same-charity-bash/ar-BB12budg?ocid=spartandhp

I suppose the journalist who wrote that piece did get paid.

It's just a puff piece full of conjecture.

March 6th there were no restrictions. Pubs and restaurants were all open.

RabbleRouser2k · 06-04-2020 02:21PM

elperello wrote: »

I suppose the journalist who wrote that piece did get paid.

It's just a puff piece full of conjecture.

March 6th there were no restrictions. Pubs and restaurants were all open.

Oh I agree-this felt like Kelly wrote a puff piece to 'take one for the team', so to speak.

Make up an excuse about how all these folks got sick, then wrangle more money out of their employers to say 'well, they worked while they were sick'.

ijohhj · 06-04-2020 05:29PM

Ban the television license. Want money? Make things people want and are willing to pay for. Money up front with the result being reality series about women picking out their wedding dresses is some farce.

The balls on them to try and go after monitors too. No RTE, I don't watch your content because it's garbage. So I'm not paying for it.

end of the road · 06-04-2020 06:38PM

ijohhj wrote: »

Ban the television license. Want money? Make things people want and are willing to pay for. Money up front with the result being reality series about women picking out their wedding dresses is some farce.

The balls on them to try and go after monitors too. No RTE, I don't watch your content because it's garbage. So I'm not paying for it.

unviable and isn't going to happen quite rightly.
whatever about having a license to have a tv capable of receiving a terrestrial signal, public funding for rte in some form is necessary for the bits it actually does do well, few i would suspect are going to pay of their own will for something that has generally always been free to air, regardless of how good the content would be.

ijohhj · 06-04-2020 06:44PM

end of the road wrote: »

unviable and isn't going to happen quite rightly.

Completely viable and should happen.

If there's media of Irish interest to be made, it should be funded like all other media is. You seek funding either from private companies or from government culture funding schemes.

Varik · 06-04-2020 07:18PM

Worst thing that could happen is they get get directly funded as they are now, government would be upping their funding when it suited for good press and RTE finest would be able to hire the whole family.

Should be trimed down to just RTE 1 and news, and a ban on all purchased programming. If they want more they can fund that entirely themselves by ads.

ohnonotgmail · 06-04-2020 07:29PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

True... I suppose Jennifer Zamperelli's an example of this.

Was on The Apprentice UK, got noticed by RTE (probably booked Kelly too). Did a lot of interviews after the show. Wrangled herself into another Reality tv show, Failte Towers.

Then got into Republic of Telly, managed to get some sh**e dating show that died on its a**e and was cancelled not long after.
Slowly but surely wrangled her way into getting the Dancing with the Stars job... and that was one of those sure-fire ratings winners. No matter how sh**e it was, it would get the audience.

And it did-does better than the LLS on most occassions. So her agent can say 'well, this show gets a huge audience=it's because of Jen=give her more money'.

Lottie 'might' try the same angle... but so did Mairead Farrell (remember when RTE shoved her into EVERYTHING to see if she would catch on, including The Panel and the Republic of Telly. Or a revampled Movie Show that didn't even finish a season).
Lucky for Farrell, she married a NAMA millionaire.

Zamparelli starred in and co-wrote Bridget and Eamon so you cant compare her to the talentless lottie ryan.

Kivaro · 06-04-2020 07:30PM

When you see RTE supporters (employees) on here pushing for direct taxation to support the quango, then the rest of us should realise that it is a terrible idea. It would result in a blank cheque book for RTE to continue with their primary objective ........... which is to financially support RTE stars/staff/families/friends.
I am still amazed that RTE has not offered across the board salary reductions like many governments and businesses are doing across the world in solidarity with the massive amounts of people who have lost their jobs due to this pandemic.

Is Ryan Tubridy really worth paying almost €1/2 million every single year?
How many damn masks could we buy with that money?
It is obscene and an insult to all of us in Ireland.

end of the road · 06-04-2020 07:37PM

ijohhj wrote: »

Completely viable and should happen.

If there's media of Irish interest to be made, it should be funded like all other media is. You seek funding either from private companies or from government culture funding schemes.

likely unviable and is unlikely to happen and nor should it.
if there's media of Irish interest to be made such as programming of cultural and necessary signifficance such as a higher standard of news and current affairs and other non-commercially viable programming, it shouldn't be funded like all other media is when it is being broadcast by the state broadcaster, as the state broadcaster is necessary and exists for the good of the state and it's people, even if some of the programming happens to be rubbish in an individual, or multiple individuals opinion. you don't seek funding either from private companies or from government culture funding schemes, but public funding and government schemes if rte has access to them.

Varik wrote: »

Worst thing that could happen is they get get directly funded as they are now, government would be upping their funding when it suited for good press and RTE finest would be able to hire the whole family.

Should be trimed down to just RTE 1 and news, and a ban on all purchased programming. If they want more they can fund that entirely themselves by ads.

trimming it down would remove some public service content which would make the service less relevant.
certainly a bann on imported programming and entertainment fluff would be reasonable.
over all the amount of tv stations and radio stations rte have are just about right.

end of the road · 06-04-2020 07:42PM

Kivaro wrote: »

When you see RTE supporters (employees) on here pushing for direct taxation to support the quango, then the rest of us should realise that it is a terrible idea. It would result in a blank cheque book for RTE to continue with their primary objective ........... which is to financially support RTE stars/staff/families/friends.
I am still amazed that RTE has not offered across the board salary reductions like many governments and businesses are doing across the world in solidarity with the massive amounts of people who have lost their jobs due to this pandemic.

Is Ryan Tubridy really worth paying almost €1/2 million every single year?
How many damn masks could we buy with that money?
It is obscene and an insult to all of us in Ireland.

i would expect the people on here "defending" as you put it, rte, are not employees, i certainly am not.
i would expect the real reason governments and businesses are implementing salary reductions is to save money, not in solidarity with anyone.

elperello · 06-04-2020 08:11PM

ijohhj wrote: »

Completely viable and should happen.

If there's media of Irish interest to be made, it should be funded like all other media is. You seek funding either from private companies or from government culture funding schemes.

Varik wrote: »

Worst thing that could happen is they get get directly funded as they are now, government would be upping their funding when it suited for good press and RTE finest would be able to hire the whole family.

Should be trimed down to just RTE 1 and news, and a ban on all purchased programming. If they want more they can fund that entirely themselves by ads.

When the Broadcasting Commission gets around to it's task which I presume will be delayed by Covid 19 you should make submissions to support your point of view.

I think a strong Public Broadcasting Service could emerge from the process. I wouldn't agree that one channel is enough.

I also think that if we as a nation want a Public Broadcasting service we need to pay for it. It's too important to be left to the vagaries of private companies or the advertising market.

06-04-2020 08:24PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Zamparelli starred in and co-wrote Bridget and Eamon so you cant compare her to the talentless lottie ryan.

i wouldnt be bragging about writing that:D

ohnonotgmail · 06-04-2020 08:24PM

Wesley Teeny Oasis wrote: »

i wouldnt be bragging about writing that:D

each to their own

06-04-2020 09:09PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Zamparelli starred in and co-wrote Bridget and Eamon so you cant compare her to the talentless lottie ryan.

Talent is clearly a continuum. But between bottom and top there’s a big difference, but between none (Lottie) and a modicum (Jennifer) there really ain’t much space.

garrettod · 06-04-2020 11:10PM

end of the road wrote: »

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i'm sure you are very happy you are correct in your mind, but it seems rte and other big organisations don't agree.
they quite rightly don't care what you or i think about the wages they pay to their staff, it's between the staff and their employer..

Any further thoughts on the payroll at RTE, perhaps compared with the Central Bank?

Is the CEO of RTE with a bigger paycheck then the Head of the Central Bank in Ireland for example?

How about the cost of the top ten earners at the Central Bank of Ireland, compared with RTE - everything still looking good to you?

RTE have kindly provided some information on the Central Bank of Ireland's payroll, see link below.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0406/1128906-central-bank-earnings/

garrettod · 06-04-2020 11:21PM

elperello wrote: »

When the Broadcasting Commission gets around to it's task which I presume will be delayed by Covid 19 you should make submissions to support your point of view.

I think a strong Public Broadcasting Service could emerge from the process. I wouldn't agree that one channel is enough.

I also think that if we as a nation want a Public Broadcasting service we need to pay for it. It's too important to be left to the vagaries of private companies or the advertising market.

What about RTE1 & TV4 - that constitutes two TV channels?

Both have a public service broadcast mandate.

fritzelly · 06-04-2020 11:35PM

garrettod wrote: »

What about RTE1 & TV4 - that constitutes two TV channels?

Both have a public service broadcast mandate.

TG4 get a pittance from the licence fee and in many ways a better channel

RabbleRouser2k · 07-04-2020 12:11AM

fritzelly wrote: »

TG4 get a pittance from the licence fee and in many ways a better channel

It used to be- used to get some really great dramas that RTE didn't. Nowadays they'll show a movie that other (Irish) channels don't.

Nowadays its filled with repeats of shows and programs from over 40+ years ago.

RabbleRouser2k · 07-04-2020 12:13AM

Kivaro wrote: »

When you see RTE supporters (employees) on here pushing for direct taxation to support the quango, then the rest of us should realise that it is a terrible idea. It would result in a blank cheque book for RTE to continue with their primary objective ........... which is to financially support RTE stars/staff/families/friends.
I am still amazed that RTE has not offered across the board salary reductions like many governments and businesses are doing across the world in solidarity with the massive amounts of people who have lost their jobs due to this pandemic.

Is Ryan Tubridy really worth paying almost €1/2 million every single year?
How many damn masks could we buy with that money?
It is obscene and an insult to all of us in Ireland.

Don't forget the 'bargain' of Ray D'arcy, for the same money.

You can't justify that money when you see how bad anything he hosts is.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore