Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

end of the road · 03-04-2020 11:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been on the Saorview website and can confirm my 42" Samsung flatscreeen is not saorview compatible. On its own, therefore, it is not capable of picking up a TV signal, while it is a Television.

The Rte Player is not fit for purpose, however, I don't need a license for my laptop to try and use it.

There very much is a grey area in that, if I have a sky box plugged into a computer monitor, why do I need a Television license? If I have a computer monitor solely for watching NetFlix, why do I need a television license, or even do I?

Finally, I'd argue radio is the best and most appropriate medium to get information to the public.

by the looks of things the television being capable of receiving a terrestrial signal is enough to require a license, that is how and why non-rte viewers have to pay a license fee if they have a television.
even if the television doesn't have the boxes, it is still capable of taking boxes to receive a terrestrial signal whether it be from the uk or ireland or both.

garrettod · 04-04-2020 12:02AM

elperello wrote: »

I agree that the licence is outdated and should be abolished.

However I do support Public Broadcasting and I have said several times on this thread that I would prefer it to be funded from direct taxation.

That way everyone pays and there are no collection costs or need to chase after evaders.

You would still end up paying for something you don't use but that applies to a lot of things funded from taxation.

I'm good with the principal of your idea, once RTE is shrunk and the payroll / compensation packages of senior staff and contractors dealt with properly.

I would rather have an RTE that's half the size, more efficiently run and then invest in it, for the public benefit.

There's no way that we need to be paying the head of RTE a package of circa €300k per year for example.

end of the road · 04-04-2020 12:16AM

garrettod wrote: »

I'm good with the principal of your idea, once RTE is shrunk and the payroll / compensation packages of senior staff and contractors dealt with properly.

I would rather have an RTE that's half the size, more efficiently run and then invest in it, for the public benefit.

There's no way that we need to be paying the head of RTE a package of circa €300k per year for example.

i would suggest that unfortunately there is a need in all likely hood, as people capable of managing a large organisation, even if it was shrunk to only half the size, don't come cheap.

removing the entertainment fluff and bought in programming, and changing 2fm's format, would really sort out most of rte's issues quite quickly as there would be no need for some of the contractors and the better staff whether they be more experienced, or just good, could be kept with the rest removed.

Shefwedfan · 04-04-2020 12:38AM

end of the road wrote: »

i would suggest that unfortunately there is a need in all likely hood, as people capable of managing a large organisation, even if it was shrunk to only half the size, don't come cheap.

removing the entertainment fluff and bought in programming, and changing 2fm's format, would really sort out most of rte's issues quite quickly as there would be no need for some of the contractors and the better staff whether they be more experienced, or just good, could be kept with the rest removed.

How many times have 2fm changed the format? The day Gerry Ryan does they should have shut up. They are flogging a dead horse since then

end of the road · 04-04-2020 12:44AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How many times have 2fm changed the format? The day Gerry Ryan does they should have shut up. They are flogging a dead horse since then

that's the thing, they haven't actually changed format at all, just presenters throughout the years and show schedules.

2fm is still a popular music service aimed at the youth market. it needs to change from that completely, taking the programming from one of the digital stations is a way i have suggested that it could continue to provide actual ps content and provide a ps remit and in turn justify it's existence. it's going nowhere ultimately i would expect so it's better if it could provide something different.

RabbleRouser2k · 04-04-2020 12:47AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How many times have 2fm changed the format? The day Gerry Ryan does they should have shut up. They are flogging a dead horse since then

Agreed- it's a station that doesn't know it's audience, frankly.

Are they aimed at the 'youth' market? Well, that ship has sailed. Spotify takes care of their needs.

Their target demographic aren't turning on the radio. They don't need it.

Shefwedfan · 04-04-2020 07:17AM

end of the road wrote: »

that's the thing, they haven't actually changed format at all, just presenters throughout the years and show schedules.

2fm is still a popular music service aimed at the youth market. it needs to change from that completely, taking the programming from one of the digital stations is a way i have suggested that it could continue to provide actual ps content and provide a ps remit and in turn justify it's existence. it's going nowhere ultimately i would expect so it's better if it could provide something different.

2fm is not popular, i did post on here before but the target audience for 2fm actually listen to local radio more than national.

2fm have tried changing the format and also the radio presenter and no change. Hiring an ex boyband member to push number and all sorts have been done.

The current breakfast is a disaster and that been the same for many many many, it was ok with Jen and that setup but they tried to push Lottie into that and f**ked it up

As I said they are flogging a dead horse, it’s becoming less relevant and costing a fortune, dump it now

ButtersSuki · 04-04-2020 07:24AM

Lottie Ryan on the cover of 3 magazines at the checkouts in my local Super Valu last night. RTE pushing her harder than ever now, as predicted. RTE determined to make her a star (:rolleyes:) no matter what. They have a duty to enrich the offspring and extended families of former contractors at our expense.

Shefwedfan · 04-04-2020 08:38AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Lottie Ryan on the cover of 3 magazines at the checkouts in my local Super Valu last night. RTE pushing her harder than ever now, as predicted. RTE determined to make her a star (:rolleyes:) no matter what. They have a duty to enrich the offspring and extended families of former contractors at our expense.

Awful isnt it, she is f**king terrible.

Elmo · 04-04-2020 09:14AM

end of the road wrote: »

i would suggest that unfortunately there is a need in all likely hood, as people capable of managing a large organisation, even if it was shrunk to only half the size, don't come cheap.

removing the entertainment fluff and bought in programming, and changing 2fm's format, would really sort out most of rte's issues quite quickly as there would be no need for some of the contractors and the better staff whether they be more experienced, or just good, could be kept with the rest removed.

I don’t understand why they allow the pay packages to presenters.

I don’t understand why they continue to pump 25m into imports

I don’t understand why 2fm got an increase to n funding from the license fee with no real cuts to its costs, 9 years on its license fee should be dropped.

Shefwedfan · 04-04-2020 09:29AM

Elmo wrote: »

I don’t understand why they allow the pay packages to presenters.

I don’t understand why they continue to pump 25m into imports

I don’t understand why 2fm got an increase to n funding from the license fee with no real cuts to its costs, 9 years on its license fee should be dropped.

According to Dee the pay package is because they have to be competitive, which everyone doubts

The 25m, maybe some of it makes sense as not everyone has Netflix etc....

2FM should be shut today.....its awful

AndyBoBandy · 04-04-2020 10:24AM

Flicked past the Late Late last night during the segment when they had all the Aer Lingus pilots on. I watched for a few minutes as I'd have a mild interest in aviation.

Miriam was going round them all to have a brief chat with them, and then came up with the following gem when speaking to one of them;

Miriam: So, 'pilot', you were on annual leave when you got the call and were asked to pilot one of these flights. Tell me, what was that like?

Cutting edge as ever from Miriam "€300,000 a year" O'Callaghan

Would have been great if the guy responded;

Yes Miriam, It's actually a funny story, I was at home on annual leave, and I got a phone call asking if I could fly to China.

Shefwedfan · 04-04-2020 10:36AM

The TV license fee will have to increase when we have the litter from Miriam to support in a few years

AndyBoBandy · 04-04-2020 10:40AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The TV license fee will have to increase when we have the litter from Miriam to support in a few years

We might even need to create a 3fm to ensure we can get them all some air time

Elmo · 04-04-2020 10:47AM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

We might even need to create a 3fm to ensure we can get them all some air time

Lyric FM? They can move to limerick

Elmo · 04-04-2020 10:50AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The 25m, maybe some of it makes sense as not everyone has Netflix etc....

I love to see these shows marketed by RTÉ, seems to me they are dump on the player and late night with no promotion. They could easily reduce it to 15m

ShamNNspace · 04-04-2020 11:34AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The TV license fee will have to increase when we have the litter from Miriam to support in a few years

Nah Miriam will be up in the Arus by then

Kivaro · 04-04-2020 12:24PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The TV license fee will have to increase when we have the litter from Miriam to support in a few years

Holy shoite. Never thought of that.
Can't have them 'starving' on the streets though ............ even during the upcoming Great Depression.

Kivaro · 04-04-2020 12:25PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Nah Miriam will be up in the Arus by then

I read that completely differently.

garrettod · 04-04-2020 05:21PM

end of the road wrote: »

i would suggest that unfortunately there is a need in all likely hood, as people capable of managing a large organisation, even if it was shrunk to only half the size, don't come cheap.

Sure, I knew that you've got to hire talent and capable management don't come at minimum wage, but I also know that there are a lot of very capable senior, experienced, management working for less than half of what RTE pay Dee Forbes for example.

I consider it very difficult to justify paying someone in RTE over €100k pa, and certainly not more than €150k pa no matter what position they have.

garrettod · 04-04-2020 05:24PM

Ironically, RTE recently reported on ITV lads taking a paycut...

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0403/1128277-itv-bosses-take-pay-cut/

While we know that others in media are seeing their pay cut also :

Comunicorp cut pay by up to 25% at its radio stations [\url]

end of the road · 04-04-2020 05:54PM

garrettod wrote: »

Sure, I knew that you've got to hire talent and capable management don't come at minimum wage, but I also know that there are a lot of very capable senior, experienced, management working for less than half of what RTE pay Dee Forbes for example.

I consider it very difficult to justify paying someone in RTE over €100k pa, and certainly not more than €150k pa no matter what position they have.

you may consider it difficult to justify such but ultimately it makes no difference as the various forces of the real world will come into play and will in turn decide the pay of certain grades whether they be within rte or any other large broadcaster.the same as it does in small and medium ones where pay would be lower due to having a smaller market.

the figure of 150 or 100k or whatever unrealistic figure that is usually churned out on this site is unlikely to ever be the final wage figure for the head and high management in rte, nor any other big broadcaster. middle management in a large organisation, management of a small broadcaster, i would expect something around those numbers.

those particular individuals you speak of are i would suspect either middle management or the organisation they manage is very small, hence they would be paid half the wage of the management of a large organisation such as rte.

RabbleRouser2k · 04-04-2020 09:22PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Lottie Ryan on the cover of 3 magazines at the checkouts in my local Super Valu last night. RTE pushing her harder than ever now, as predicted. RTE determined to make her a star (:rolleyes:) no matter what. They have a duty to enrich the offspring and extended families of former contractors at our expense.

I'd say this Covid-19 has scuppered their plans.

RTE can't justify/ employ their regular staff.
Any show that requires an audience or audience participation is cancelled.
Shows that attract the elderly audience like Winning Streak can't go ahead cos of Covid.

RTE have lost a huge chunk of money via advertising (and yet they still show that advert about 'pay your license fee'... pr**ks).

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Flicked past the Late Late last night during the segment when they had all the Aer Lingus pilots on. I watched for a few minutes as I'd have a mild interest in aviation.

Miriam was going round them all to have a brief chat with them, and then came up with the following gem when speaking to one of them;

Miriam: So, 'pilot', you were on annual leave when you got the call and were asked to pilot one of these flights. Tell me, what was that like?

Cutting edge as ever from Miriam "€300,000 a year" O'Callaghan

For me the absolute 'Oh f*** you!' moment of that show was Laura Whitmore going for woke points in the middle of people dying.

'I'm so proud, as a woman, to see a fellow woman broadcaster hosting the late late show... it's such a PROUD day for women...' :mad::mad::mad:

Now's not the ****ing time, Whitmore, you absolute vacuous virus. I suppose she's probably trying to get a new gig in RTE because Love Island isn't happening.

IF there's one thing this virus has done, it's shown the disgusting pieces of crap from the genuine people.

ButtersSuki · 04-04-2020 11:02PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I'd say this Covid-19 has scuppered their plans. RTE can't justify/ employ their regular staff.
Any show that requires an audience or audience participation is cancelled.
Shows that attract the elderly audience like Winning Streak can't go ahead cos of Covid.

RTE have lost a huge chunk of money via advertising (and yet they still show that advert about 'pay your license fee'... pr**ks).

For me the absolute 'Oh f*** you!' moment of that show was Laura Whitmore going for woke points in the middle of people dying.

'I'm so proud, as a woman, to see a fellow woman broadcaster hosting the late late show... it's such a PROUD day for women...' :mad::mad::mad:

Now's not the ****ing time, Whitmore, you absolute vacuous virus. I suppose she's probably trying to get a new gig in RTE because Love Island isn't happening.

IF there's one thing this virus has done, it's shown the disgusting pieces of crap from the genuine people.

Go over to the Ciara Kelly thread in the radio forum for more of this wokeness.

RabbleRouser2k · 04-04-2020 11:16PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Go over to the Ciara Kelly thread in the radio forum for more of this wokeness.

I think I'd have an aneurysm if I did...

There's a reason I avoid Ciara Kelly... actually there's many. I'd clog the thread if I listed them.:D

garrettod · 05-04-2020 09:34AM

end of the road wrote: »

you may consider it difficult to justify such but ultimately it makes no difference as the various forces of the real world will come into play and will in turn decide the pay of certain grades whether they be within rte or any other large broadcaster.the same as it does in small and medium ones where pay would be lower due to having a smaller market.

the figure of 150 or 100k or whatever unrealistic figure that is usually churned out on this site is unlikely to ever be the final wage figure for the head and high management in rte, nor any other big broadcaster. middle management in a large organisation, management of a small broadcaster, i would expect something around those numbers.

those particular individuals you speak of are i would suspect either middle management or the organisation they manage is very small, hence they would be paid half the wage of the management of a large organisation such as rte.

Okay, let's talk about the real world, given you've referred to same...

In what "real world" does a company, that's loss making more years than not, continue to run loss making operations, refuse to cut pay or cut the workforce, rather than risk complete failure and liquidation?

I've no idea what you do for a living, or what relevant business experience you may have, but I know what I do and where my numbers come from, and I'm more than happy that I'm correct.

You can't justify inappropriate pay for a CEO here, simply because it's state owned. Pay at RTE is not comparable with the open market, for a company in the mess that RTE is in and its long past time someone put a stop to it.

If your want to reward Dee Forbes, then link her compensation to her preformance - smaller salary, but bonuses for achieving certain targets such as cost cutting, returning RTE to profit etc.

I would personally rather put Michael O'Leary into RTE as CEO for a few years and pay him 4 times what we've been paying Dee Forbes, as I know you'd get far more value for your money from him!

maestroamado · 05-04-2020 09:48AM

I heard a radio presenter on early morning Sunday last week "Mothers Day"
Because of the day she was playing songs for Mothers.
She played a Randy Newman song "mama told me not to come"
She had not done much research as the song was about "drunken sex orgy"
And the "come" was not come home son....

Brendan Bendar · 05-04-2020 10:12AM

garrettod wrote: »

Okay, let's talk about the real world, given you've referred to same...

In what "real world" does a company, that's loss making more years than not, continue to run loss making operations, refuse to cut pay or cut the workforce, rather than risk complete failure and liquidation?

I've no idea what you do for a living, or what relevant business experience you may have, but I know what I do and where my numbers come from, and I'm more than happy that I'm correct.

You can't justify inappropriate pay for a CEO here, simply because it's state owned. Pay at RTE is not comparable with the open market, for a company in the mess that RTE is in and its long past time someone put a stop to it.

If your want to reward Dee Forbes, then link her compensation to her preformance - smaller salary, but bonuses for achieving certain targets such as cost cutting, returning RTE to profit etc.

I would personally rather put Michael O'Leary into RTE as CEO for a few years and pay him 4 times what we've been paying Dee Forbes, as I know you'd get far more value for your money from him!

+10

Pa ElGrande · 05-04-2020 10:13AM

TV licence fee could be replaced by broadband levy, says BBC

The BBC has said the television licence fee could ultimately be replaced by a monthly levy on broadband connections, in response to the UK government’s proposals to decriminalise non-payment of the licence fee.

The public broadcaster said it strongly supported keeping the current court-enforced television licence fee system in place for the medium-term. But it is willing to consider following other European countries and implement a funding model “linked directly to an existing common household bill” such as an internet connection, council tax, or electricity supply.

source

There is also a body of opinion against the BBC within the UK and has been for several decades. Its biases have also become more apparent especially to the Brexit supporters and its pushing of identity politics is annoying a growing number of the UK public.

BBC comedian admits his own show could be 'tearing the country apart'

Comic Nish Kumar has admitted his savage Left-wing satire show could be tearing the country apart.

The host of The Mash Report said: “It’s constantly of a concern to me that I, personally, am making things worse.”

Kumar made the confession after veteran broadcaster Andrew Neil slammed the late-night BBC comedy show as “self-satisfied, self-adulatory, unchallenged Left-wing propaganda”.

The comic said he fears the politics and news satire programme is “reinforcing our politically polarising culture” and may even be preventing Britain coming together now that Brexit has finally happened.

source

They have been panicked by the suggestion from the Tory government of moving to a subscription fee and decriminalising non-payment of the licence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ODfGYDm-30

end of the road · 05-04-2020 12:26PM

garrettod wrote: »

Okay, let's talk about the real world, given you've referred to same...

In what "real world" does a company, that's loss making more years than not, continue to run loss making operations, refuse to cut pay or cut the workforce, rather than risk complete failure and liquidation?

the real world we are living in where the organisation is an organisation designed to provide a public service, and where providing that public service would require more staff then an organisation providing simple entertainment programming.

garrettod wrote: »

I've no idea what you do for a living, or what relevant business experience you may have, but I know what I do and where my numbers come from, and I'm more than happy that I'm correct.

i'm sure you are very happy you are correct in your mind, but it seems rte and other big organisations don't agree.
they quite rightly don't care what you or i think about the wages they pay to their staff, it's between the staff and their employer.

garrettod wrote: »

You can't justify inappropriate pay for a CEO here, simply because it's state owned.

state owned or not, management with the experience of running a large organisation will acquire and require a high wage, thats just how it is .
300k and around that certainly seems to be appropriate pay for people capable of managing large organisations, and some even pay higher.

garrettod wrote: »

Pay at RTE is not comparable with the open market, for a company in the mess that RTE is in and its long past time someone put a stop to it.

it would be comparable to the open market to an extent, mid way between organisations such as the bbc and itv, and smaller organisations.

garrettod wrote: »

If your want to reward Dee Forbes, then link her compensation to her preformance - smaller salary, but bonuses for achieving certain targets such as cost cutting, returning RTE to profit etc.

as far as i understand, it is actually not in rte's remit to make a profit. sure it would be nice if it did but for it to do so would require i would suspect a paring back of the unprofitable public service output, and instead putting out even more of the entertainment fluff that it seems we all agree we do not want from rte.

garrettod wrote: »

I would personally rather put Michael O'Leary into RTE as CEO for a few years and pay him 4 times what we've been paying Dee Forbes, as I know you'd get far more value for your money from him!

Michael O'Leary is not the answer to solving issues with everything you know.
just because he was instrumental in the growth of an airline to being a very successful airline it doesn't mean he will automatically be successful in solving every other organisation's issues.
i can't imagine he has any experience of the broadcasting industry, so he would not really be a suitable candidate i would imagine.

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