Bob Flavin (motoring journalist) & his views on EVs

Kramer · 01-03-2020 9:37pm #1

I just caught some of Bob's weekly podcast earlier & was surprised by his largely antagonistic attitude to EVs. He has an EQC apparently at present & seems very uninformed with regards to charging speeds.
He quite likely has a 16A cable as he can only draw 3kW from his home chargepoint, but says he can pull 7kW from ECars SCPs. He is aggrieved he can't get the full 22kW.
He confused kW & kWh & bounced between chargers & charge points (I hate that

)

He referred to the EQC as "a paperweight" & said it was useless :eek:.

He also intimated EVs can stop abruptly on the motorway & pose a significant safety hazard. He said EVs can't be put into neutral & thus can't be towed or pushed...............

He said heating water with salt in it produces hydrogen. He said hydrogen fuels atomic bombs & if a hydrogen fuel station went up, it would wipe out a whole town, basically like an atomic bomb :eek:.

I forget how many other inaccuracies were in there (I didn't even listen much past half way).
If I was considering an EV I'd certainly be looking at staying in an ICE after watching Bob today. I must say, I was very disappointed.

0lddog · 01-03-2020 9:51pm

All true journalists never let the facts get in the way of a good storey

( ran his name thru a search engine - still dont know what rag he journalists for )

Kramer · 01-03-2020 9:56pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pop9RVMkbGA

0lddog · 01-03-2020 10:03pm

:eek: 2 hour 10 minute 'tube video :rolleyes:

Does someone need help ?

Lumen · 01-03-2020 10:14pm

0lddog wrote: »

:eek: 2 hour 10 minute 'tube video :rolleyes:

He does the same thing as Bjorn does, if you ask a question he says the answer is in another two hour video. :pac:

I guess it's for people who work in the trade and/or have nothing better to do with their time.

He was slagging off another YouTuber today for, amongst other things, making 5-10 min videos. Hmmm.

Mickeroo · 01-03-2020 10:20pm

0lddog wrote: »

:eek: 2 hour 10 minute 'tube video :rolleyes:

Does someone need help ?

That's a live stream, his normal vids are regular length, car reviews and the like.

He's not actually staunch anti EV really, he does come across as very misinformed on some things but he's quite enthusiastic about them at other times which seems a bit odd.

He's gone to a fair few IEVOA gatherings and been involved with a few EV conferences and things around the country.

JohnC. · 01-03-2020 11:34pm

I’ve watched some of his EV videos. I never felt he came across as anti-EV. He seems to enjoy driving them. Even the Twizzy. His knowledge of them is just a bit lacking.

159conor · 02-03-2020 12:39am

I have heard him say you get hydrogen from water by boiling it more than once. The mixing up of kW and kWh drives me mad. Link to the timestamp about hydrogen in his video https://youtu.be/pop9RVMkbGA?t=1305

unkel · 02-03-2020 12:55am

And to think he is probably one of the better informed Irish motoring journos out there

kanuseeme · 02-03-2020 1:30am

159conor wrote: »

I have heard him say you get hydrogen from water by boiling it more than once. The mixing up of kW and kWh drives me mad. Link to the timestamp about hydrogen in his video https://youtu.be/pop9RVMkbGA?t=1305

Its not boiling per say but heating it up to about 3000 C, some gen 4 reactors could do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mJ3S-VQuHY 4.16 minutes

liamog · 02-03-2020 2:25am

Most of the time I find him good on EVs. I think he's been quite critical on the Premium Electric SUVs which are super heavy and as such very inefficient.

ELM327 · 02-03-2020 10:15am

I've seen him at IEVOA agms and events.
He hasn't a clue of the proper EV parlance but do people who drive fossil fuel cars generally use the right words for EGR and DPF? They just drive...

The EQC and the ETron like it, are just paperweights. Crap compared to Tesla, less range, more inefficient, less charging speed or opportunities. When big auto wants to play the EV game I'm sure they will outspend Tesla and blow them out of the park with a 1000km range EV with 350kW charging but they are no where near that.

ei9go · 02-03-2020 10:19am

You can't take him seriously.

He has a review of a Passat GTE PHEV which he left uncharged for the review!

The one thing everybody wanted to know is how far it went in EV mode.

ELM327 · 02-03-2020 10:27am

Kramer wrote: »

I just caught some of Bob's weekly podcast earlier & was surprised by his largely antagonistic attitude to EVs. He has an EQC apparently at present & seems very uninformed with regards to charging speeds.
He quite likely has a 16A cable as he can only draw 3kW from his home chargepoint, but says he can pull 7kW from ECars SCPs. He is aggrieved he can't get the full 22kW.
He confused kW & kWh & bounced between chargers & charge points (I hate that )

He referred to the EQC as "a paperweight" & said it was useless :eek:.

He also intimated EVs can stop abruptly on the motorway & pose a significant safety hazard. He said EVs can't be put into neutral & thus can't be towed or pushed...............

He said heating water with salt in it produces hydrogen. He said hydrogen fuels atomic bombs & if a hydrogen fuel station went up, it would wipe out a whole town, basically like an atomic bomb :eek:.

I forget how many other inaccuracies were in there (I didn't even listen much past half way).
If I was considering an EV I'd certainly be looking at staying in an ICE after watching Bob today. I must say, I was very disappointed.

If he's anti hydrogen then thats a good few points in his "PRO" column

Lumen · 02-03-2020 10:29am

ELM327 wrote: »

The EQC and the ETron like it, are just paperweights. Crap compared to Tesla, less range, more inefficient, less charging speed or opportunities.

They have objectively much better cabin refinement (lower noise) and subjectively better interior materials.

The etron also has very fast charging and a decent top buffer.

They are not paperweights.

ELM327 · 02-03-2020 10:30am

Lumen wrote: »

They have objectively much better cabin refinement (lower noise) and subjectively better interior materials.

The etron also has very fast charging and a decent top buffer.

They are not paperweights.

Yes, better interior "premium" for sure.

THey do not have better charging speeds. The ETron charges at 150kW sustained but as it's so much less efficient, the rate in terms of range gained is much lower than Tesla

Wildly Boaring · 02-03-2020 10:33am

Nobby had the Etron lately

https://youtu.be/6yEWEtbc7vA

Relatively impressed

Lumen · 02-03-2020 10:41am

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes, better interior "premium" for sure.

THey do not have better charging speeds. The ETron charges at 150kW sustained but as it's so much less efficient, the rate in terms of range gained is much lower than Tesla

For people who have access to fast charging (e.g. Ionity), the e-tron is a good car.

Bjorn did a back-to-back 1000km test of the Model X and e-tron 55 last September, and they got the same time, around 10:15.

He said:

"My point is that there are alternatives. If you don't want to have a Tesla, you want to have an EV with premium stuff, you can get an etron".

This video about 38 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFu9pkpunuo

ELM327 · 02-03-2020 10:48am

Absolutely .
But the range is less, the charging speed is slower in real terms. However it feels like a premium german SUV.

Good review here on fifth gear showing the pros and cons of both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh9v7zludUs

Old diesel · 02-03-2020 11:05am

Wouldn't panic lads.

If you look at the main motors section you will see a thread about Mazda 6 2.2 diesel issues.

Ask someone like Bob and he will probably tell you the Mazda is a great chariot.

The real world input from sites like boards and wider social media wins out eventually.

Someone drew Bob's attention to this thread on twitter and his reply was "does boards still exist".

Mark N is passing him out rapidly imo

Mickeroo · 02-03-2020 11:06am

Who is Mark N?

drunkmonkey · 02-03-2020 11:11am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Who is Mark N?

Nobby on cars he's here on boards...you'll probably find him drooling over a 640d before an EV the same as Bob and I'd agree with both of them...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMKLV2Fehfuw-E3eoXsulDQ

drunkmonkey · 02-03-2020 11:13am

and he's probably the only chap here to literally hammer a Tesla:D

Mickeroo · 02-03-2020 11:14am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nobby on cars he's here on boards...you'll probably find him drooling over a 640d before an EV the same as Bob and I'd agree with both of them...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMKLV2Fehfuw-E3eoXsulDQ

Will give him a look cheers.

Nothing wrong with drooling over a nice car

drunkmonkey · 02-03-2020 11:16am

Find his Tesla post, the young fella got trapped inside and he went at it with a lump hammer to get him out.

Lantus · 02-03-2020 4:09pm

Will check out the vid but generally he is balanced about all cars. Loves a good few ev's and dislikes others. Has a good understanding of the flawed economic arguments a lot of people use to convince us a 40k ev will save us money. (spoiler, a 12k car will save more money...)

jusmeig · 02-03-2020 5:51pm

Lantus wrote: »

Will check out the vid but generally he is balanced about all cars. Loves a good few ev's and dislikes others. Has a good understanding of the flawed economic arguments a lot of people use to convince us a 40k ev will save us money. (spoiler, a 12k car will save more money...)

It could be true...what is your 12k car and how would said flawed economic person charge their 40k wonder car?

Gile_na_gile · 02-03-2020 6:29pm

It's YT so you take your pic and run with whatever or whoever confirms your own biases.

Bob has his good points, and has lots of knowledge based on talking to drivers and dealers, but will clearly ad lib entirely factfree nonsense. Also wears sunglasses over his crown - I hate that (and Bjorn licks his dog's face, and is always slurping food).

The other guy, Nobby, reminds me of Dan Pilkington, but he is similarly likeable to me (and not really like Dan Pilkington). His review on the LEAF was informed for someone who reviews a lot of ICEs as one must.

duploelabs · 02-03-2020 10:39pm

I've watched a few of his videos, mainly because he's an Irish reviewer. Couldn't manage any more as I found him to have all the charisma and knowledge in front of the camera of Alan Partridge. Half expected him to say 'Lexii' at one stage

beauf · 02-03-2020 11:00pm

I like Bob. Watched him build his channel from nothing. He comes across more as reporter than car nut, maybe I'm mistaken. Either way that's ok, it's just a different perspective. Also it gives you an insight into the Irish motor industry etc. He does a load of work to make that content. I look forward to his videos dropping. He's only getting better. I don't always agree with him and he's not always right. But so what. Thumbs up for Bob.

Lantus · 03-03-2020 10:09am

beauf wrote: »

I like Bob. Watched him build his channel from nothing. He comes across more as reporter than car nut, maybe I'm mistaken. Either way that's ok, it's just a different perspective. Also it gives you an insight into the Irish motor industry etc. He does a load of work to make that content. I look forward to his videos dropping. He's only getting better. I don't always agree with him and he's not always right. But so what. Thumbs up for Bob.

+1. Listening to people that only say what you want to hear or nothing new or challenging is a pointless exercise. And hydrogen is very flammable. Korea and Asia are having safety issues. Not nuke issues but it's a concern currently.

Bob Flavin (motoring journalist) & his views on EVs

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