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Vegan Death Cult

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  • #302
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Panch18


    gozunda wrote: »
    Yup for those areas which have suitable soils and ground conditions. Some farmers who are lucky enough to have those conditions already do.

    I see they are even trialing soy - though tbh I'm not sure we have the temperatures (like a lot of crops unfortunately ) to make it a successful venture. Soil temperatures of 12c are not a usual feature in April and even beyond around here anyway. Average across the country is about 8.8c at hat of the year if I remember correctly. The crop also requires a lot of fertiliser, herbicides, fungicides and pest management for a successful crop.



    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/soybean-production-could-soon-be-the-norm-in-ireland/

    Yeah I think we need to make more use of beans and peas for protein

    But it’s like everything, the tillage lads need a return from it as well


  • #303
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    gozunda wrote: »
    Yup for those areas which have suitable soils and ground conditions. Some farmers who are lucky enough to have those conditions already do.

    I see they are even trialing soy - though tbh I'm not sure we have the temperatures (like a lot of crops unfortunately ) to make it a successful venture. Soil temperatures of 12c are not a usual feature in April and even beyond around here anyway. It also requires a lot of fertiliser, herbicides, fungicides and pest management for a successful crop.



    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/soybean-production-could-soon-be-the-norm-in-ireland/

    I’ve had a look at your recent posts. Almost all of your posts are in the following 3 threads

    Vegan death cult
    Vegan 2020
    And some other vegan thread.

    I thought you were obsessed last year but you’ve gone full on wacko this year lol. Up until the early hours of most mornings posting on the threads above.

    Even whinging because you’re not allowed to post in certain threads anymore.

    Your kids would be proud. I genuinely think you need to speak to someone about this.

    Your fellow farmers are up in Dublin protesting, your on boards all day posting in a thread about vegans. The last post you have in the farming protest thread - is shock horror - about vegans lol.

    Couldn’t make it up.


  • #304
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Yeah I think we need to make more use of beans and peas for protein

    But it’s like everything, the tillage lads need a return from it as well

    I would agree. The problem is that in the future - that is likley going to be with reduced inputs - fertilisers, herbicides and that's going to have a knock on effect on crop yields. And where crop yield are down - then that means a need for more areas opened up to cultivation. But we dont necessarily have a huge amount of suitable soils.

    Bizarre that generally farmers get a hard time for trying explain the facts and difficulties faced with regard production. You just cant win tbh. Way too much misinformation out there imo. Theres no waving a magic wand to produce quality food.

    The Beef price protest today is a case in point - some seem to think if you are involved in farming in any way that automatically makes everyone a 'beef' farmer! you just cant win tbh.


  • #305
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,340 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Never understood the hate vegans get. Why do people care if others choose a plant based diet? Why not just leave them alone?


  • #306
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Panch18 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight

    Vegans eat a diet which in general includes a lot of soya based products, such as soya milk, soya beans, tofu and many more

    But they insist on blaming livestock farmers for the environmental impact of soya production when they consume large amount of it themselves

    You couldn’t make it up!!

    As I said earlier..

    So soya is grown both for animal feed and oil for various things like human consumption (one of the most common vegetable oils), various industrial uses like making biodiesel and it's used in inks and oil paints.

    So regardless of whether it's grown primarily as animal feed or as oil, the argument that vegans are responsible for mass deforestation specifically through the cultivation of soya is completely false. Soya oil is not grown for a vegan market but is used and consumed widely by people of all diets and philosophies.

    So deforestation through soya cultivation IS a human problem AND a farming problem but most certainly not an exclusively vegan problem. (As is often implied)

    And indeed you proved my point Panch. Vegans make up only a tiny proportion of society, meaning they consume only a tiny proportion of the soya produced. The vast majority of consumption of soya and it's byproducts and the resulting deforestation can be largely attributed to farmers and non vegan people.


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  • #307
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    I’ve had a look at your recent posts. Almost all of your posts are in the following 3 threads

    Vegan death cult
    Vegan 2020
    And some other vegan thread.

    I thought you were obsessed last year but you’ve gone full on wacko this year lol. Up until the early hours of most mornings posting on the threads above.

    Even whinging because you’re not allowed to post in certain threads anymore.

    Your kids would be proud. I genuinely think you need to speak to someone about this.

    Your fellow farmers are up in Dublin protesting, your on boards all day posting in a thread about vegans. The last post you have in the farming protest thread - is shock horror - about vegans lol.

    Couldn’t make it up.

    Mod

    This is your first post in this thread and you saw fit to track what a poster has been doing.

    You have posted in a thread call "Am I horrible" multiple times recently.

    See we can all have a look and post things about posting history and take sly digs.

    Cut it out.


  • #308
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    As I said earlier..

    So soya is grown both for animal feed and oil for various things like human consumption (one of the most common vegetable oils), various industrial uses like making biodiesel and it's used in inks and oil paints.

    So regardless of whether it's grown primarily as animal feed or as oil, the argument that vegans are responsible for mass deforestation specifically through the cultivation of soya is completely false. Soya oil is not grown for a vegan market but is used and consumed widely by people of all diets and philosophies.

    So deforestation through soya cultivation IS a human problem AND a farming problem but most certainly not an exclusively vegan problem. (As is often implied)

    And indeed you proved my point Panch. Vegans make up only a tiny proportion of society, meaning they consume only a tiny proportion of the soya produced. The vast majority of consumption of soya and it's byproducts and the resulting deforestation can be largely attributed to farmers and non vegan people.

    I dont think Panch was saying that tbh. What was detailed was the fairly wide spread use of these products. And a failure to acknowledge same. That's evident here quite starkly tbh.

    A huge amount of soy worldwide is grown outside of South America - So its production doesn't have to drive deforestation at all. Quite often that's not recognised either. A large proportion of soy meal - inc husks imported here comes from the US - where it is grown alongside corn in a beneficial companion type relationship - do very well there and the crops tend to be fairly responsibly managed in my experience.

    Still personally not a fan of the stuff - I'd prefer to see alternative type crops to soy being grown. The process to extract the oil from soy beans and make the meal palatable to humans is not only incredibly energy dependent but also uses large amounts of hydrocarbons and solvents during processing.

    I think there needs to be a much better understanding of the issues with surround this crop as acerages are expanding globally atm


  • #309
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    As I said earlier..

    So soya is grown both for animal feed and oil for various things like human consumption (one of the most common vegetable oils), various industrial uses like making biodiesel and it's used in inks and oil paints.

    So regardless of whether it's grown primarily as animal feed or as oil, the argument that vegans are responsible for mass deforestation specifically through the cultivation of soya is completely false. Soya oil is not grown for a vegan market but is used and consumed widely by people of all diets and philosophies.

    So deforestation through soya cultivation IS a human problem AND a farming problem but most certainly not an exclusively vegan problem. (As is often implied)

    And indeed you proved my point Panch. Vegans make up only a tiny proportion of society, meaning they consume only a tiny proportion of the soya produced. The vast majority of consumption of soya and it's byproducts and the resulting deforestation can be largely attributed to farmers and non vegan people.


    What you say is technically correct and I'll agree with you to a point but soya seems to feature quit heavily in lots of vegan products. The we only use a small amount because we are few in number defence dosen't wash. Is the world going to use less soya if more people go vegan?

    Vegan websites love to blame animal agriculture for all of the soya grown which is simply not true, but it is produced mostly as food for humans be they vegans, vegetarians or omnivores with the residuals being feed to animals.

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  • #310
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Never understood the hate vegans get. Why do people care if others choose a plant based diet? Why not just leave them alone?

    It's just another daft video from youtube. Yer man does very well making money from the videos. A whole host of similar type extremists of all types on youtube. Yeah and some people responded to that. And no in my experience most people dont care whether someone goes completely plant based or otherwise. Though if you want to take a look at this thread - its not the vegsns here getting personal attacks for sure. And yet the narrative would have you believe the opposite. Odd that.


  • #311
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Panch18


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Never understood the hate vegans get. Why do people care if others choose a plant based diet? Why not just leave them alone?

    People don’t care if other people choose a plant based diet

    What they do care about is having vegan “values” rammed down our throats at every single opportunity and pontificating about how bad non vegans are. Whilst at the same time spreading untruths and downright lies about lots of different aspects of society and agriculture in particular


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  • #312
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Panch18 wrote: »
    People don’t care if other people choose a plant based diet

    What they do care about is having vegan “values” rammed down our throats at every single opportunity and pontificating about how bad non vegans are. Whilst at the same time spreading untruths and downright lies about lots of different aspects of society and agriculture in particular

    If the virtiol was directed at those extremists then that would be fine but it seems all vegans are fair game.


  • #313
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    MMXX wrote: »
    Is the lion bad, for eating the antelope? Is he a bad lion, or just a lion? Should the spider be chastised, for spinning a web to catch a fly? Bad spider? Unnatural spider? Ignorant spider? Or just spider? Does the snake have second thoughts when eating the mouse? Is he a bad snake, or just a hungry snake? Does he not have a right to thrive, to be nourished? Is indeed that very mouse, God rest his little soul, a bad mouse - for eating the centipede? Was it unethical of him? Did he think of the centipede? Bad mouse? Unethical mouse? Or just mouse?

    Is evolution not real? Did cooking the meat we once ate raw, for millions of years - not increase our brainpower, our strength, our ability to communicate, to build societies? Did we eat meat, because we were cruel - or because we wanted to sustain our bodies? To live? Is the desire to live wrong? If we didn't begin to cook the meat that we already ate for millions of years - would we even be able to ask these questions today? Would we even be here today?

    Is life cruel? Or is life just life? Cruel - and kind, warm - and cold, happy - and sad, full of darkness - full of light. You can't have one of these - without the other, it's not possible.

    No they are just surviving. We consume so much more than we need not to mention the fact that we are much more intelligent beings capable of comprehending the concept of cruelty and the knowledge to survive by other means without resorting to killing animals , do you not think we should use our abilities for good rather than resorting to our primal instincts because it's natural'?. If a small group of lions created a pen to hold thousands of antelope hostage to consume at their discretion throughout their entire life until they grow overweight I think you would actually say they were evil, and in fact, humans would obviously not allow them to do it, because we would say it was unfair to the antelope.


  • #314
    MMXX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭MMXX


    wakka12 wrote: »
    No they are just surviving. We consume so much more than we need...
    Are we not all surviving though? Why are humans above surviving? We don't have free pass, life is tough - for every single one of us. The odds are stacked against us all, from day one.
    wakka12 wrote: »
    ...not to mention the fact that we are much more intelligent beings capable of comprehending the concept of cruelty and the knowledge to survive by other means without resorting to killing animals...

    Again, like being above surviving - are we really more intelligent? Why? What is intelligence anyway? Is it "comprehending the concept of cruelty" and "the knowledge to survive by other means without resorting to killing animals"? Is it instinctively, without any training - knowing how to spin the most perfectly intricate web - in order to catch a fly? Is that intelligent? What about using your beak, to pick up tiny branches, and literally FLYING to a space in a tree, which you have designated to be your home, and proceeding to build an actual nest, with hundreds of carefully selected branches - to keep you warm, and provide safety for you and your baby chicks - is that not intelligent? Why not?
    wakka12 wrote: »
    ...do you not think we should use our abilities for good rather than resorting to our primal instincts because it's natural'?

    Are they our 'primal' instincts? Or are they just instincts? Are instincts bad?

    What about the crocodile? 200 million years old. Two, hundred - million, years old.

    Are his instincts primal? Are they not primal? Why? Or why not?
    wakka12 wrote: »
    If a small group of lions created a pen to hold thousands of antelope hostage to consume at their discretion throughout their entire life until they grow overweight I think you would actually say they were evil, and in fact, humans would obviously not allow them to do it, because we would say it was unfair to the antelope.

    I wouldn't say they were evil, I would just say they are, what they are - I would consider it to be none of our business.

    Is it fair on the insects, small mammals and birds, that the antelope eats? Is that fair? What is fair? Is life fair?

    We all - every living being, every single species - have our own hardships - we're all trying to survive. We, humans - do not have it easy. Everything is playing out, for better or for worse - exactly the way it is deciding to.


  • #315
    magma69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    wakka12 wrote: »
    So stupid. You can be fat if you eat enough , and vegan diet is no exception, whats stopping somebody eating dozens of avocados or loads of olive oil or nuts or seeds which have huge amounts of calories? Theres no reason why a vegan diet would lead to malnourishment because of this bizarre anecdotal video

    Come on now, let the cranky, lonely old men have their daily whinge. That's what they're here for.


  • #316
    MMXX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭MMXX


    If there are indeed any lonely men out there, or indeed lonely women - as loneliness, does not discriminate - know that you are not alone, and despite how the poster above, has used the word lonely - as a means to cause hurt, derision and shame on another's soul, being lonely - is nothing to be ashamed of, it is not an insult - and you are not broken.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de00ajXMUX0


  • #317
    magma69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    MMXX wrote: »
    If there are indeed any lonely men out there, or indeed lonely women - as loneliness, does not discriminate - know that you are not alone, and despite how the poster above, has used the word lonely - as a means to cause hurt, derision and shame on another's soul, being lonely - is nothing to be ashamed of, it is not an insult - and you are not broken.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de00ajXMUX0

    If all you do is spew bile constantly on the internet and your whole online presence is based around negativity, you're absolutely broken. The majority of AH fall into that category. Bitter, lonely men. Place is a cess pit.


  • #318
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    magma69 wrote: »
    If all you do is spew bile constantly on the internet and your whole online presence is based around negativity, you're absolutely broken. The majority of AH fall into that category. Bitter, lonely men. Place is a cess pit.

    Ah here..I feel personally attacked by this post..


  • #319
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    magma69 wrote: »
    If all you do is spew bile constantly on the internet and your whole online presence is based around negativity, you're absolutely broken. The majority of AH fall into that category. Bitter, lonely men. Place is a cess pit.

    And yet here you are. Should be easy to meet some like minded souls. Welcome to AH .... ;)


  • #320
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MMXX wrote: »
    If there are indeed any lonely men out there, or indeed lonely women - as loneliness, does not discriminate - know that you are not alone, and despite how the poster above, has used the word lonely - as a means to cause hurt, derision and shame on another's soul, being lonely - is nothing to be ashamed of, it is not an insult - and you are not broken.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de00ajXMUX0

    Thanks for the that - Music is language of the soul...:D


  • #321
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,161 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    seamus wrote: »
    We'll have to agree to disagree then. All the vegans I know, keep it to themselves.

    But I see no end people of posting stuff about how much the like meat and getting really angry about vegans. Out of 20 posts on this thread, 16 of them are people making sure everyone know how much they dslike veganism, and none of them are vegans "making sure everyone else knows". Kind of suggests that your experience is way outside of the norm.

    There is a poster on this thread who is absolutely obsessed with it and cannot help but post massive diatribes against any vegan or vegetarian diet at every opportunity on this site.

    I have never seen a vegan or vegetarian as obsessed about it as this guy is.

    Posted near the very start but sums up whole thread, ie all 27 pages, for anyone looking for a quick synopsis. The same pattern continues.


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  • #322
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    anewme wrote: »
    Posted near the very start but sums up whole thread, ie all 27 pages, for anyone looking for a quick synopsis. The same pattern continues.

    You are absolutely correct - it matches this one perfectly. Quite a 'diatribe' to be fair. The last line is a real winner ...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112260654

    For a bonus change the words vegan and vegetarian diet below to 'farmer' and 'food producer" and its really spot on ;)
    There is a poster on this thread who is absolutely obsessed with it and cannot help but post massive diatribes against any vegan or vegetarian diet at every opportunity on this site.
    I have never seen a vegan or vegetarian as obsessed about it as this guy is.


  • #323
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    I went vegan by mistake once... it was horrible..

    Once I realised what I had done, I very quickly made some corrections by way of a quick trip to tesco's meat and dairy sections. Disaster averted.

    I can't even imagine what it must be like for those lifelong vegans walking around like this 24/7... how do they do it? Brain fog, weak muscles, the shakes, indecisiveness, strange desire to hug large trees in the vicinity... and this great longing for attention... oh how I wanted people to know who I was and what I stood for.... it was overpowering let me tell you! :D

    But a large juicy steak with cheesy sauce with chips smothered in gravy... and I was cured... miraculous!

    (I'm not trying to trivialize this condition btw - it can get very serious - so please do get help if you are in the grip of this affliction - don't be a hero - no shame in asking for help!)


  • #324
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    MMXX wrote: »
    If there are indeed any lonely men out there, or indeed lonely women - as loneliness, does not discriminate - know that you are not alone, and despite how the poster above, has used the word lonely - as a means to cause hurt, derision and shame on another's soul, being lonely - is nothing to be ashamed of, it is not an insult - and you are not broken.

    If there is nothing broken, then why do you and others try to help them?

    If there is nothing broken, then why try to fix it?

    Clearly for many (most) people, being lonely is a problem. And it damages them... so many do need help. So in effect something definitely is broken in their lives!

    You need to be more open and honest about the problem!


  • #325
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Most soya is used for human consumption, the leftovers and waste from production is then used in animal feeds

    So you story doesn’t stack up really.

    No, we've been through that - gozunda proved to us that it's actually grown for animal feed. The stuff use humans use is a by product!
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

    Brain fog, weak muscles, the shakes, indecisiveness, strange desire to hug large trees in the vicinity... )

    That's LSD you're thinking of, not veganism. Simple mistake, we've all made it;)


  • #326
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    That's LSD you're thinking of, not veganism. Simple mistake, we've all made it;)

    Ah yes, hugging trees, running from clouds, brain fog, deffo LSD or shrooms.


  • #327
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    No, we've been through that - gozunda proved to us that it's actually grown for animal feed. The stuff use humans use is a by product!

    But yes indeed you are correct I did indeed prove that soymeal used for animal feed is a by-product of soybean oil extraction.

    Though it's odd the way some seem to get that the wrong way around

    And all those lovely soy beans primarily grown for Oil. Consumed by humans no less!.

    That's LSD you're thinking of, not veganism. Simple mistake, we've all made it;)

    Ah no dont be so hard on yourself - Mixing up a dangerous hallucinogen and plant food? - I could definitely see how that could happen. ;)


  • #328
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    You must be wrecked, G. The Energiser Bunny of vegan haters.


  • #329
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    gozunda wrote: »
    You are absolutely correct - it matches this one perfectly. Quite a 'diatribe' to be fair. The last line is a real winner ...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112260654

    For a bonus change the words vegan and vegetarian diet below to 'farmer' and 'food producer" and its really spot on ;)
    Let's not start a loser olympics here gozunda. Count how many posts I've made about farmers in the last 3 months, and how many you've made about vegans.

    You can count mine on one hand (missing 2 fingers). How many hands do we need to count yours?

    https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?query=farmer&forum=&user=4091&date_from=15-11-2019&date_to=15-01-2020

    https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?query=vegan&forum=&user=440118&date_from=15-11-2019&date_to=15-01-2020


  • #330
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    You must be wrecked, G. The Energiser Bunny of vegan haters.

    You're fairly good on the hate for farmers Deebles :D. But I think I can see where the hate is coming from for sure. And its not from those discussing soy production or even taking the time to genuinely explain things either.

    Tbh I dont think I ever called anyone things l like I saw recently. And I wouldn't either. Life's too short for that type of thing.

    But I think you already know that!


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  • #331
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    seamus wrote: »
    Let's not start a loser olympics here gozunda. Count how many posts I've made about farmers in the last 3 months, and how many you've made about vegans.

    You can count mine on one hand (missing 2 fingers). How many hands do we need to count yours? ....

    Ah you're being way too modest there seamus. Sure I know you are very fond of all things farming. You might need some more hands I reckon ...

    https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=4091&sort=newest&date_to=&date_from=&query=Farm%2A


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