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Streaming Software Rant / Recommendations
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16-12-2019 12:28am#1
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OBS. No Streamlabs. Problem solved
I've probably streamed a couple thousand live events and only had issues at one or two. A lot of these add on sets bring their own problems. Xsplit is, as you said, a resource hog.
Actually if you really really want to do it properly, and absolutely eliminate lag or frame drops, the answer is not software. You need to use a second comp to stream from.0 -
OBS (Standard) - Records & Streams very choppily, usually with no in-game impact.
Did you have the OBS stats window open while testing? Or what about log files? One or the other will indicate what the source of the choppy footage is: frames skipped from encoding lag, or frames dropped from rendering lag.
And if it's neither of those, then we need to start looking into what your PC setup is, GPU in particular.
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The testing I did today in Streamlabs gave the "Skipped Frames" warning, but I suspect that's because I was forced to try fullscreen (instead of borderless), and tabbing out in FFXIV @ Fullscreen for any reason causes the game to hang momentarily. This improved by swapping it to old NVEC, but the result was still choppy. Action, however, doesn't struggle regardless of the windowed mode (nor tabbing out), but like the others, the new NVEC codec seems to cause a few issues.
Without logs, I can't say for certain, but this is sounding almost entirely like an overloaded GPU with limited spare resources for compositing and encoding the stream.I have a feeling it has something to do with the 'window selection' process in Xsplit/OBS, because it tends to act up when selecting FFXIV as the capture application. I don't recall having as much issue with certain other games, but that's more of a problem than a relief.
Some basic Googling is showing you're not the first to have issues with FF14 in OBS. Which capture method are you using - display/window/game?Famous last words, but... I can't see it being my machine. It's pretty beastly, tonnes of free space, multiple dedicated drives for recordings and programs, and via Action I can record 1440p @ ultimate settings with absolutely no drawback at all, even when it's recording files of countless gigabytes in size, so streaming at a quarter of that really shouldn't be causing me so much grief in the most tweakable streaming software going. I've even tried removing or reducing overlays and features, also testing with Streamlabs to create a one-in-all online widget rather than adding multiple widgets, but nothing improves it.
No offense, but like... my machine is similar, and the issue is always GPU utilisation.
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As for GPU, again, if one is working flawlessly at 1080p 12000br and another is chopping like crazy even on 720p @ 30FPS with literally half that bitrate then I'm not inclined to believe it's the GPU. The other even has individual overlays (about 4) and I've even streamed at 1440p pretty stable with those bitrates.
If Action works very similar to how ShadowPlay itself does, then there's probably minimal extra work being done that needs GPU resources to re-encode the scene before it is being sent to the stream. This is different to OBS which from my experience generally needs about 10-15% GPU spare to encode properly, especially if the preview is active and even moreso if you are in studio mode.
And I know this first-hand, for instance there's some scenes when playing Forza Horizon where the game's GPU usage jumps from it's normal 60% to near-maxed, and suddenly OBS becomes a 15-20FPS mess until the game's GPU usage normalises. So until you say for certain that FF14 is not using 95%+ of your GPU resources while streaming, I can't rule it out as a potential cause.The more I look at it, the more I'm suspecting the window/game select. There are times where it sometimes even fails to pick up games at all when trying to capture this way.
Dependent on the game though. Some games actively resist direct capture; like Horizon, or even stuff like Destiny 2.It'd just be nice to monitor/interact with chat without having to tab, which is why I wanted to give XSplit a good attempt.
Can you rest your phone on a stand near your monitor or something, so you can have chat up and viewable while playing? The YT live dashboard is not great on mobile, but Twitch's mobile app dashboard does okay and shows the important stuff.
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