Time for Aviation to look at 100ml liquid rule to reduce plastics

Masala · 10-11-2019 12:37pm #1

How many times have we seen water bottles being dumped at security gates and the same people have to buy another bottle once inside.

There must be some serious waste being generated here.....

Is there ever going to be an end to the Liquid ban?? Is it even being discussed??

Jacovs · 10-11-2019 12:46pm

Dont know about Ireland, but in UK its already set to be abolished.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/liquids-and-laptops-ban-uk-airports-set-to-end-johnson-announces_uk_5d6172a6e4b0dfcbd48e431e/

JCX BXC · 10-11-2019 12:48pm

10 years ago I heard rumours from security staff that it may soon be abolished.

However, I've never considered the plastic waste option as an issue, I can't imagine it's particularly large in the grand scheme of things.

Masala · 10-11-2019 12:52pm

Jacovs wrote: »

Dont know about Ireland, but in UK its already set to be abolished.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/liquids-and-laptops-ban-uk-airports-set-to-end-johnson-announces_uk_5d6172a6e4b0dfcbd48e431e/

Great... any I forgot about the millions of 'bags' being generated just to pass thru Security that eventually get dumped. Another plus in this logic

Masala · 10-11-2019 12:59pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

10 years ago I heard rumours from security staff that it may soon be abolished.

However, I've never considered the plastic waste option as an issue, I can't imagine it's particularly large in the grand scheme of things.

The 'bag' is a defined size and I have seen people pulled on using their own bag and being told to use the 'proper bag'. You don't see Tesco etc saying this when people bring their own bag as their contribution to reducing waste

Plastics at Regional airports may not be much ... but throw in a Dublin numbers of 15m people a year and even if 1% get caught on carrying a bottle... that's 150,000 bottles being dumped and probably another 150,000 being bought again inside Departures. Throw in Heathrow, Schipol, Frankfurt and the numbers start to add up.

goingnowhere · 10-11-2019 1:12pm

Once 3D/CT machines are deployed the limits will go away as will the need to remove items

AMS has moved over, others are in progress

Masala · 10-11-2019 1:20pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Once 3D/CT machines are deployed the limits will go away as will the need to remove items

AMS has moved over, others are in progress

There machines are not mandatory.... will Ireland insist on putting them into all Irish airports??? It gonna mean more Grants for regionals .....

Victor · 10-11-2019 1:29pm

If you are worried about pollution, cut the number of flights you make.

L1011 · 10-11-2019 1:49pm

It was meant to go to 200ml years and years ago and... didn't.

It is just security theatre anyway.

jamo2oo9 · 10-11-2019 3:40pm

I've flown through airports where you don't even need to take out liquids during security like in Hong Kong or Taipei. IIRC, Dubai is the same as well

dfx- · 10-11-2019 4:19pm

L1011 wrote: »

It was meant to go to 200ml years and years ago and... didn't.

It is just security theatre anyway.

Considering it was safe to travel despite the successful liquid bomb disguised as contact lens fluid in 1994, it's definitely theatre.

Can current technology spot 100 ml or 150 ml of, say, nitroglycerin? Why 100 ml...

Pat Dunne · 10-11-2019 4:24pm

dfx- wrote: »

Considering it was safe to travel despite the successful liquid bomb disguised as contact lens fluid in 1994, it's definitely theatre.

Can current technology spot 100 ml or 150 ml of, say, nitroglycerin? Why 100 ml...

I imagine it not a case of “spotting”, it’s more a case of what damage 100 mls of a explosive substance will cause as opposed to 150mls.

colm_mcm · 10-11-2019 4:31pm

The planes are doing far more environmental damage than the plastic. If the bottles are sent to recycling there isn’t a huge issue.

Brennus335 · 10-11-2019 4:36pm

Hilarious. Someone thinks that by using 1 less plastic bag each at the airport per year that they're an eco-warrior.

If you're so worried about climate change, why do you take the flight in the first place?

[Deleted User] · 10-11-2019 4:45pm

Brennus335 wrote: »

If you're so worried about climate change, why do you take the flight in the first place?

Have to agree. This kinda of thinking annoys me, too.

OP, cop on to yourself and just walk to your holiday destination like the rest of us. I'll be going to Salou next September, and if I leave in middle of April I'll be there on time for a lovely week in the sun. Why can't you do the same?

(I might miss Christmas on the way back, but that's the price you have to pay).

riemann · 10-11-2019 4:49pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have to agree. This kinda of thinking annoys me, too.

OP, cop on to yourself and just walk to your holiday destination like the rest of us. I'll be going to Salou next September, and if I leave in middle of April I'll be there on time for a lovely week in the sun. Why can't you do the same?

(I might miss Christmas on the way back, but that's the price you have to pay).

You're not walking anywhere further than the local supermarket.

[Deleted User] · 10-11-2019 4:55pm

riemann wrote: »

You're not walking anywhere further than the local supermarket.

What do you mean?

Brennus335 · 10-11-2019 5:06pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have to agree. This kinda of thinking annoys me, too.

OP, cop on to yourself and just walk to your holiday destination like the rest of us. I'll be going to Salou next September, and if I leave in middle of April I'll be there on time for a lovely week in the sun. Why can't you do the same?

(I might miss Christmas on the way back, but that's the price you have to pay).

Exactly.

China and India opening a new coal fired power station every other day, and these people think they're fighting climate change by worrying about a plastic bag at the airport.

I don't laugh at them, I pity them.

Del2005 · 10-11-2019 5:10pm

dfx- wrote: »

Considering it was safe to travel despite the successful liquid bomb disguised as contact lens fluid in 1994, it's definitely theatre.

Can current technology spot 100 ml or 150 ml of, say, nitroglycerin? Why 100 ml...

You can buy enough air side to not need to smuggle anything through security.

[Deleted User] · 10-11-2019 5:13pm

Brennus335 wrote: »

Exactly.

China and India opening a new coal fired power station every other day, and these people think they're fighting climate change by worrying about a plastic bag at the airport.

I don't laugh at them, I pity them.

Per capita tonnes of CO2 emissions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

Ireland - 7.7
China - 8.0
America - 16.1
India - 1.7

Yeah, China and are India are big. That's hardly changeable. No matter who lives there, in whichever country exists there, we're not going to be much better than them.

dfx- · 10-11-2019 5:33pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

I imagine it not a case of “spotting”, it’s more a case of what damage 100 mls of a explosive substance will cause as opposed to 150mls.

You can bring on up to 1 litre each, so it's more what the liquid is than its volume..

150 x 6 or 100 x 10 or 250 x 4, policing the smaller volume isn't relevant, making sure the bag is closed isn't relevant, it being see through isn't relevant as most chemicals are colourless....

mr.anonymous · 10-11-2019 6:08pm

Masala wrote: »

There machines are not mandatory.... will Ireland insist on putting them into all Irish airports??? It gonna mean more Grants for regionals .....

The machines with that level of scanning capability will become mandatory in the early 2020s. Some of the major hubs have upgraded their equipment already. Dub and others will have to follow soon.

Masala · 10-11-2019 6:14pm

dfx- wrote: »

You can bring on up to 1 litre each, so it's more what the liquid is than its volume..

150 x 6 or 100 x 10 or 250 x 4, policing the smaller volume isn't relevant, making sure the bag is closed isn't relevant, it being see through isn't relevant as most chemicals are colourless....

No... the max liquid is 100 Ml per container Otherwise we would have no problems bring a 500ml bottle of water.

L1011 · 10-11-2019 8:54pm

Masala wrote: »

No... the max liquid is 100 Ml per container Otherwise we would have no problems bring a 500ml bottle of water.

Because security theatre

I could fill five 100ml bottles with the contents of a 500 easily if it had any nefarious purpose

This is just theatre to convince idiots that they're safe. We are repeatedly being made suffer because the US had no security worth mentioning pre 2001 and still does it badly

[Deleted User] · 10-11-2019 8:57pm

At last all this climate bobbins is good for something.

Tenzor07 · 10-11-2019 10:11pm

DAA security seem to be the most strict on the bag size, as others have said they stop you if you're using your own plastic bag.

Other airports I've been through recently weren't bothered that I had the DAA bag stuffed and open with liquid bottles and that included Ben Gurion airport!

Anyhow, back on point, for those worried about the level of plastics being used, yes the travel size bottles are an awful waste, so I bought some reusable refillable bottles, great for toothpastes, shower gels etc.

BlackandGreen · 10-11-2019 10:20pm

Brennus335 wrote: »

Hilarious. Someone thinks that by using 1 less plastic bag each at the airport per year that they're an eco-warrior.

If you're so worried about climate change, why do you take the flight in the first place?

Who said anything about climate change?
God forbid people want to generate less waste and litter that plagues the environment worldwide. Just look at every roadside and ditch in Ireland.

But according to you, we think we're eco warriors for wanting to create less trash, and in the same breath you insinuate we're eco wariors.

It's mad how the whole climate change conversation these days has people literally trying to invalidate the argument of "we should be polluting less for other reason too".

deconduo · 10-11-2019 10:49pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

DAA security seem to be the most strict on the bag size, as others have said they stop you if you're using your own plastic bag.

Haven't had any issue with DAA (or any other airport) with my own bag. Looks like this:

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Been traveling in and out weekly for a few years now without any hassle.

basill · 10-11-2019 11:16pm

So Ireland is outputting as much carbon in 2018 as it did in 1980 with x million more population. In fact with the fluid border and lack of immigration checks over the past 10 years I would go further and say that the true population in Ireland is more than likely materially underestimated. I would class that as a positive result.

Caranica · 10-11-2019 11:23pm

deconduo wrote: »

Haven't had any issue with DAA (or any other airport) with my own bag. Looks like this:

Been traveling in and out weekly for a few years now without any hassle.

Bought one of those, 3 times of 5 I tried to use it in Dublin I got stopped and forced to play lightweight bag tetris.

Mrs OBumble · 10-11-2019 11:31pm

Masala wrote: »

No... the max liquid is 100 Ml per container Otherwise we would have no problems bring a 500ml bottle of water.

You can bring empty bottles of any size. When travelling I usually take a 500ml bottle, drink the contents in the queue and fill it again from the water fountain in the terminal. Simples.

Time for Aviation to look at 100ml liquid rule to reduce plastics

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