39 people found dead in trailer in UK

Calypso Realm · 25-10-2019 02:59PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I'd take the last sentence with a pinch of salt myself tbh.

Understandable though if this originated and was organised at a local level ie in Vietnam. It's highly feasible the trafficers would only get paid when the people arrived at their intended destinations.

I guess we'll learn more as time goes on. Honestly the more this horrific tragedy unravels the worse it gets.

trashcan · 25-10-2019 03:06PM

Isn’t it a terrible indication of what a ****ed up world we live in where people feel they literally have to take their lives in their hands to reach a country where they think they will have a better life (I’d question how much better it actually is to be honest) We can all be cynical about bogus asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, but it’s just awful that people feel they have to resort to this type of thing.

Bazzy · 25-10-2019 03:06PM

sky news have a picture of the lady thats "feared missing"

Have the media outlets no shame

McMurphy · 25-10-2019 03:09PM

splinter65 wrote: »

That’s what the BBC say the Vietnamese told them.

Yeah, I'm not doubting what the BBC reported, I just doubt that Vietnamese human traffickers would be running about with refunds.

Wouldn't be the most moralistic of folk them human traffickers I imagine.

partyguinness · 25-10-2019 03:15PM

Bazzy wrote: »

sky news have a picture of the lady thats "feared missing"

Have the media outlets no shame

No.

tayto lover · 25-10-2019 03:17PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Yeah, I'm not doubting what the BBC reported, I just doubt that Vietnamese human traffickers would be running about with refunds.

Wouldn't be the most moralistic of folk them human traffickers I imagine.

Plus the risk of being seen and identified returning money. Least contact for them the better. Can’t see it happening.

BarryD2 · 25-10-2019 03:34PM

trashcan wrote: »

Isn’t it a terrible indication of what a ****ed up world we live in where people feel they literally have to take their lives in their hands to reach a country where they think they will have a better life (I’d question how much better it actually is to be honest) We can all be cynical about bogus asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, but it’s just awful that people feel they have to resort to this type of thing.

Well, you'll have to wait till the full story emerges but there is a narrative that these poor people were indebted in some way back in their home country and were obliged/ encouraged to go to Europe to pay off their debts.

If it's true and they are Chinese and were in this situation, then China has some cheek giving out about countries in Europe failing their citizens.

BorneTobyWilde · 25-10-2019 03:45PM

Why do people who made it to Europe need to get to UK. They are suuppose to seek asylum in first safe country, not die in a back of a truck seeking the promise land, the one country in EU that wants to stop free travel and stop helping such people. Should have stayed in Belgium or Germany.

4068ac1elhodqr · 25-10-2019 03:55PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why do people who made it to Europe need to get to UK. They are suuppose to seek asylum in first safe country, not die in a back of a truck seeking the promise land, the one country in EU that wants to stop free travel and stop helping such people. Should have stayed in Belgium or Germany.

Headed for soup kitchens in Soho perhaps, likely no intention of asylum (unlikely to recieve it from China). Maybe simply economic migrants heading tax-free earnings in the blackmarket making someone's lunchtime fried rice.

Of course only speculation. If anything the uk should be recieving folks from H'Kong due to very close ties, and the genuine ongoing risks to freedoms.

frosty123 · 25-10-2019 04:02PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why do people who made it to Europe need to get to UK.

Can't understand that either tbh...surely they'd be better off in mainland europe..unless they had family in the UK already

splinter65 · 25-10-2019 04:04PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

No the girl they think has been identified is vietnamese but had been living in China after going there for a better life according to daily mail

Oh right. Jesus the story is changing on the hour.

splinter65 · 25-10-2019 04:06PM

Bazzy wrote: »

sky news have a picture of the lady thats "feared missing"

Have the media outlets no shame

I’d imagine her family gave them the picture in the hope she’d be identified? At least they’d know.

Calypso Realm · 25-10-2019 04:10PM

Now BBC interview with Vietnamese individual (didn't catch which group) revealed as many as 11 Vietnamese families who contacted them (so far) potentially involved. More updates to come apparently.

Looking more like Vietnamese than Chinese at this point.

eagle eye · 25-10-2019 04:42PM

trashcan wrote:

Isnâ€™t it a terrible indication of what a ****ed up world we live in where people feel they literally have to take their lives in their hands to reach a country where they think they will have a better life (Iâ€™d question how much better it actually is to be honest) We can all be cynical about bogus asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, but itâ€™s just awful that people feel they have to resort to this type of thing.

The internet, specifically social media, plays a big part in this type of thing. You see people enjoying themselves and going on about how great life is. You are sitting in a poor country and you see a former friend who is now living abroad posting pictures about visiting Stonehenge, going to a premier league game, having a great birthday party or a barcecue and you will want that.

partyguinness · 25-10-2019 04:49PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Why do people who made it to Europe need to get to UK. They are suuppose to seek asylum in first safe country, not die in a back of a truck seeking the promise land, the one country in EU that wants to stop free travel and stop helping such people. Should have stayed in Belgium or Germany.

I read an answer to this very question in one of the broadsheets in the UK and likewise why there are queuing up at Calais to cross over. Surely France is a nicer place to be a refugee?

The answer: Basically, because there is an abundance of siht low skilled low paid jobs in the UK. Far more than in Europe and the gig economy is thriving. Also, lower unemployment than most European countries which means less unemployed natives getting angry and making your life hell.

Enforcement and surveillance is rubbish over here too- the Brits love making rules but not so good at enforcing them.

Graces7 · 25-10-2019 04:50PM

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s one of the most riduculous things I’ve ever read here.

Also singularly inappropriate and disrespectfully callous. 39 people are dead. Horrifically dead.

BorneTobyWilde · 25-10-2019 05:03PM

Breaks my heart that text exchange. FFS!

One you put a face to a victim it's a 1000 times worse.

Lady Spangles · 25-10-2019 05:14PM

eagle eye wrote: »

The internet, specifically social media, plays a big part in this type of thing. You see people enjoying themselves and going on about how great life is. You are sitting in a poor country and you see a former friend who is now living abroad posting pictures about visiting Stonehenge, going to a premier league game, having a great birthday party or a barcecue and you will want that.

Another poster earlier was discussing a TV Interview with a guy who helps combat people trafficking from China. Apparently, the traffickers show potential clients old TV shows like Darling Buds of May and tell them that England really is like that. That it's all quaint rural villages, with quaint country English folk just waiting to welcome them with open arms.

If that is the case, then it's no wonder they want a slice of that for themselves and their children. And it's all the more tragic that they're being sold lies and risking their lives for lies.

Calypso Realm · 25-10-2019 05:14PM

News Conference with Essex Police @ 6 this evening. Sky news just now.

Also interview with woman Vietnamese BBC Service referred to in previous post, re-iterated fact that money had been returned to family (stated Vietnam) reinforced their fears that their daughter was amongst those who were being smuggled.

the_pen_turner · 25-10-2019 05:32PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Also singularly inappropriate and disrespectfully callous. 39 people are dead. Horrifically dead.

not sure how any of what i said is in apropriate or disrespectfull in any way.

i am in no way calous.

i have said that the people responsible are sick horrible people.
these comments came about from me thinking that the drivers isnt part of th gang and his actions back that up as far as i can see.

celt262 · 25-10-2019 05:36PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

not sure how any of what i said is in apropriate or disrespectfull in any way.

i am in no way calous.

i have said that the people responsible are sick horrible people.
these comments came about from me thinking that the drivers isnt part of th gang and his actions back that up as far as i can see.

Stick to the day job.

the_pen_turner · 25-10-2019 05:39PM

celt262 wrote: »

Stick to the day job.

ironically my day job involves some minidigger and ground works

im sorry but there is nothing wrong with what i have said

FishOnABike · 25-10-2019 05:54PM

partyguinness wrote: »

I read an answer to this very question in one of the broadsheets in the UK and likewise why there are queuing up at Calais to cross over. Surely France is a nicer place to be a refugee?

The answer: Basically, because there is an abundance of siht low skilled low paid jobs in the UK. Far more than in Europe and the gig economy is thriving. Also, lower unemployment than most European countries which means less unemployed natives getting angry and making your life hell.

Enforcement and surveillance is rubbish over here too- the Brits love making rules but not so good at enforcing them.

I would say not having any national ID card is also a big factor. Practically all mainland European countries have a national ID card making it more difficult for an illegal immigrant to remain under the radar in mainland Europe.

Gynoid · 25-10-2019 06:07PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

not sure how any of what i said is in apropriate or disrespectfull in any way.

i am in no way calous.

i have said that the people responsible are sick horrible people.
these comments came about from me thinking that the drivers isnt part of th gang and his actions back that up as far as i can see.

I don't think you were being callous either, I think people self-righteously gang up on someone sometimes who is merely thinking outside the box. You are just expressing an opinion on the drivers actions - by calling for help, it does indeed suggest he was not in on a smuggling ring. Suggest, but not definite of course.

The corollary of refusing to believe that wicked trafficking gangs could not somehow get rid of many bodies (even though it would be a hard task, I think it is possible) is to believe that of the several hundred thousand of people trafficked into Europe EVERY YEAR who are not found by the authorities, all of them make it safe and intact (except for a thousand or so per annum in the sea) but that ALL of those who do not make it, that is those who die so horrifically as in this case, ARE found by the authorities. Which frankly is a bit of a stretch for me to believe.

downcow · 25-10-2019 06:08PM

A number of Vietnamese families have reportedly contacted BBC NI to express concerns that they believe their family members may be the victims. If thats the case it would suggest the tragic lorry was NI bound

Quantum Erasure · 25-10-2019 06:08PM

fourth person arrested, he is from Northern Ireland, Driver still being held. as of press conference just now

Calypso Realm · 25-10-2019 06:11PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

fourth person arrested, he is from Northern Ireland, Driver still being held. as of press conference just now

Yes, a 48-year-old arrested at Stanstead on same charges as other two.

KM792 · 25-10-2019 06:15PM

Truck driver due to appear in court tomorrow..

downcow · 25-10-2019 06:16PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Why would it suggest NI bound?

i havent followed this closely, but if they are family members of people living in NI it would seem fairly logical that their final intended destination was NI. Or am i missing something?

FrancieBrady · 25-10-2019 06:17PM

The picture on social media brings home the very human side and reality of this. May whoever closed the door on that trailer or had any involvement suffer for a long time.

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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