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  • 11-09-2019 9:47pm
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    thesultan
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    A few questions on underage players and their progression.

    Declan McCrossan with his tache and mad runs up the field. Thought he would have played senior...


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    Gael85
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    thesultan wrote: »
    A few questions on underage players and their progression.

    Declan McCrossan with his tache and mad runs up the field. Thought he would have played senior...

    Think McCrossan was nominated for All Star around 01/02.Was very good going forward going but not best defensively. Philip Jordan was some replacement for him.


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    jr86
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    Kyle Coney.

    fair enough not a bad career by most standards but watching him in both minor finals in 2008 I really thought we were witnessing one of the future greats. Himself and Shane nally were the best two players on the pitch those days - amazing how things turn out, goes to show you can never be fully sure of younger lads


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    LoughNeagh2017
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    Where to start with Derry?


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    dobman88
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    LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »
    Where to start with Derry?

    Australia


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    threeball
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    jr86 wrote: »
    Kyle Coney.

    fair enough not a bad career by most standards but watching him in both minor finals in 2008 I really thought we were witnessing one of the future greats. Himself and Shane nally were the best two players on the pitch those days - amazing how things turn out, goes to show you can never be fully sure of younger lads

    Australia ruined half the lads that went over there. The finest of footballers like Tommy Walsh went over there and came back a shadow of themselves. Even after 2yrs back hes only now looking like hes senior IC material but nowhere near his earlier level and probably never will again.


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    armaghlad
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    jr86 wrote: »
    Kyle Coney.

    fair enough not a bad career by most standards but watching him in both minor finals in 2008 I really thought we were witnessing one of the future greats. Himself and Shane nally were the best two players on the pitch those days - amazing how things turn out, goes to show you can never be fully sure of younger lads
    I think Tyronies still talk of him as being fit for the county team, by all accounts he played really well in recent championship game v Coalisland


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    jr86
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    armaghlad wrote: »
    I think Tyronies still talk of him as being fit for the county team, by all accounts he played really well in recent championship game v Coalisland

    Ara I'm sure he's still county standard. And he has played plenty county senior matches

    Its just he was quite literally the next big thing a decade ago. I thought we were honestly looking at a future superstar. I'd struggle to recall many players who stood out as much at minor level in recent times


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    armaghlad
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    jr86 wrote: »
    Ara I'm sure he's still county standard. And he has played plenty county senior matches

    Its just he was quite literally the next big thing a decade ago. I thought we were honestly looking at a future superstar. I'd struggle to recall many players who stood out as much at minor level in recent times
    To quote one pundit “he was a man when he was a boy”. Some players are freaks of nature at that age


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    jr86
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    armaghlad wrote: »
    To quote one pundit “he was a man when he was a boy”. Some players are freaks of nature at that age

    Yeah - size is a huge asset at underage to be fair


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    Road-Hog
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    jr86 wrote: »
    Yeah - size is a huge asset at underage to be fair

    What about the opposite, ie those players who blossomed later,.....after showing no great promise at minor or younger level........

    John mullane didn’t play or get picked a lot at underage level I am told. There must be more similar examples of mullane sour there...,,,maybe the entire Clare ‘95 team....???


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    StupidLikeAFox
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    What about the opposite, ie those players who blossomed later,.....after showing no great promise at minor or younger level........

    John mullane didn’t play or get picked a lot at underage level I am told. There must be more similar examples of mullane sour there...,,,maybe the entire Clare ‘95 team....???

    Johnny Doyle - never got the shout for minor level and was a sub on the u21s but never played. He made his senior debut the year after u21s and started in every single championship game for the next 13 years


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    thesultan
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    jr86 wrote: »
    Yeah - size is a huge asset at underage to be fair

    What about the opposite, ie those players who blossomed later,.....after showing no great promise at minor or younger level........

    John mullane didn’t play or get picked a lot at underage level I am told. There must be more similar examples of mullane sour there...,,,maybe the entire Clare ‘95 team....???
    Mullane played plenty of underage. 3 years 21


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    dobman88
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    What about the opposite, ie those players who blossomed later,.....after showing no great promise at minor or younger level........

    John mullane didn’t play or get picked a lot at underage level I am told. There must be more similar examples of mullane sour there...,,,maybe the entire Clare ‘95 team....???

    Paul Murphy for Kerry. Was told he was too small at Minor and U21. Got man of the match all Ireland final 2014 after marking Ryan McHugh out of it in his first year playing county.


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    cms88
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    dobman88 wrote: »
    Paul Murphy for Kerry. Was told he was too small at Minor and U21. Got man of the match all Ireland final 2014 after marking Ryan McHugh out of it in his first year playing county.

    He played with the Kerry U21's in 2012


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    cms88
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    Two players i sometimes wonder about are Beano McDonald and Donie Brennan. When did they actualy stop playing with Laois? Brennan must have been only 24/25


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    Gael85
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    cms88 wrote: »
    Two players i sometimes wonder about are Beano McDonald and Donie Brennan. When did they actualy stop playing with Laois? Brennan must have been only 24/25

    Both first cousins of Donie Kingston. Beano had a bad leg break around 04 and never the same after that. Prob finished up around 06/07. Brennan had diabetes and only played intercounty for a few years.


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    dobman88
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    cms88 wrote: »
    He played with the Kerry U21's in 2012

    Thanks. Wasnt 100% sure but didnt remember him playing for them. Happy to be corrected on it.


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    cms88
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    dobman88 wrote: »
    Thanks. Wasnt 100% sure but didnt remember him playing for them. Happy to be corrected on it.

    Lost to Cork in the Munster final. He didn't play minor alright


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    Stationmaster
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    What about the opposite, ie those players who blossomed later,.....after showing no great promise at minor or younger level........

    John mullane didn’t play or get picked a lot at underage level I am told. There must be more similar examples of mullane sour there...,,,maybe the entire Clare ‘95 team....???

    A few of that team would have played in a minor all ireland final in 89.

    Brian Lohan or Seanie McMahon didn't hurl minor for Clare.


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    kala85
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    threeball wrote: »
    Australia ruined half the lads that went over there. The finest of footballers like Tommy Walsh went over there and came back a shadow of themselves. Even after 2yrs back hes only now looking like hes senior IC material but nowhere near his earlier level and probably never will again.

    Why do you think Australia ruined these guys. Over training or too much socialising etc


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    threeball
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    kala85 wrote: »
    threeball wrote: »
    Australia ruined half the lads that went over there. The finest of footballers like Tommy Walsh went over there and came back a shadow of themselves. Even after 2yrs back hes only now looking like hes senior IC material but nowhere near his earlier level and probably never will again.

    Why do you think Australia ruined these guys. Over training or too much socialising etc

    Took away their wonderful natural footballing instincts and replaced them with constant running, stop start style of that truly horrible game. Huge amount of injuries in Irish players that went over too.


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    Road-Hog
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    kala85 wrote: »
    Why do you think Australia ruined these guys. Over training or too much socialising etc

    Ozzies, is in particular the males version would have to be one of the most macho shauvanistic and arrogant shower on the planet.....would think this could impact the Irish lads who go over there self esteem and confidence also they are into really filthy dirty tactic like ‘fingering’ guys up the bum on the sly etc


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    Edgware
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    Ozzies, is in particular the males version would have to be one of the most macho shauvanistic and arrogant shower on the planet.....would think this could impact the Irish lads who go over there self esteem and confidence also they are into really filthy dirty tactic like ‘fingering’ guys up the bum on the sly etc
    I thought only Tyrone did that


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    debok
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    What about the opposite, ie those players who blossomed later,.....after showing no great promise at minor or younger level........

    John mullane didn’t play or get picked a lot at underage level I am told. There must be more similar examples of mullane sour there...,,,maybe the entire Clare ‘95 team....???
    John mullane played from u 14 up and played senior when still u21.


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    thesultan
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    Brendan Barry kilkenny. Star player at fitzbgibbon. Had a mighty league one year and vanished


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    PressRun
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    Road-Hog wrote: »
    What about the opposite, ie those players who blossomed later,.....after showing no great promise at minor or younger level........

    John mullane didn’t play or get picked a lot at underage level I am told. There must be more similar examples of mullane sour there...,,,maybe the entire Clare ‘95 team....???


    Lee Keegan was one of these. He came to football later than what would be normal for most intercounty players. Didn't play minor and when he started at U21 level, kinda had to be nudged into it, I'm told.
    By his own admission, he wasn't even overly interested in GAA as a youth. He had a lot of different sporting interests growing up and was involved with Connacht rugby at underage level. Apparently very nearly went the way of rugby altogether.

    James Gill was the opposite then - he was one who showed a lot of promise early on and had plenty of talent but ended up being very inconsistent and a bit unreliable.


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    jr86
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    Damien Comer didn't even start for his school in Leaving cert - albeit a strong enough SJC side

    have been told he was even in and out of his club side at minor. Got a look at under 21 trials after tearing it up at junior one year apparently - and never looked back.

    I think in fairness he was meant to be very small underage, and his physique - which is a huge part of his game - developed hugely by the time he was 18/19


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    jr86
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    PressRun wrote: »
    Lee Keegan was one of these. He came to football later than what would be normal for most intercounty players. Didn't play minor and when he started at U21 level, kinda had to be nudged into it, I'm told.
    By his own admission, he wasn't even overly interested in GAA as a youth. He had a lot of different sporting interests growing up and was involved with Connacht rugby at underage level. Apparently very nearly went the way of rugby altogether.

    James Gill was the opposite then - he was one who showed a lot of promise early on and had plenty of talent but ended up being very inconsistent and a bit unreliable.

    I imagine Keegan was probably good enough to play minor though? He was a few age groups behind me though, so wouldn't have seen much of him underage. In fairness there is some commitment even with the Connacht underage set up - probably couldn't be playing county football aswell


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    Rochelle
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    thesultan wrote: »
    Brendan Barry kilkenny. Star player at fitzbgibbon. Had a mighty league one year and vanished

    Brian, not Brendan


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    thesultan
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    Rochelle wrote: »
    thesultan wrote: »
    Brendan Barry kilkenny. Star player at fitzbgibbon. Had a mighty league one year and vanished

    Brian, not Brendan
    Sorry yes brIan. Did he hurl much after?


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