Now ye're talking - to a teacher in Dubai

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

What was your 3rd level education in before going down a TEFL route (i'm assuming that's your role I could be wrong)

I'm seeing a few friends going down the TEFL route when their primary degree isn't teaching related at all, might be something to interest me in the future

Hi SureYWouldntYa!
I did a degree in music and education, which qualifies me to teach secondary school. I'm currently teaching in a British Curriculum International School in Dubai.
I've never done TEFL, so I'm afraid that I can't help you there.
With regards to the qualifications needed for teaching in Dubai, the KHDA (like the Department of Education for private schools), and the Ministry of Education (MOE) are really starting to get strict with the qualifications you have to have to be allowed to teach in Dubai. They are now in the process of making it compulsory to have a degree in your subject(s) and a teaching qualification I order for a school to be allowed to hire you. Most schools won't even interview you without a degree and teaching degree anyway, but SABIS are still the exception to that at the moment, as far as I'm aware.
Honestly, there really wouldn't be much work in Dubai for someone who has TEFL and not a teaching qualification, as a lot of teachers do tutoring on the side.

Unclerosco, it really depends on the school you go to. I'm in what's referred to as a "midmarket" school, so our wages are on the lower end. I make around €2400 per month, but if you were in a "premium" school, you could be looking at €3000 upwards.
The perks are fairly decent, to be fair!
I get a flight allowance for one set of flights per year, medical insurance, and a one bedroom apartment to myself.
I don't get any of my WiFi/electricity/municipality/food bills paid, but I have heard of the odd school that pay the electricity/municipality bill too.

I really like the culture in Dubai. There's a great scope to either really chill out, it party hard over here!
I'm in my second year over here, so I think I've done my "settling in". I was absolutely fine initially, but I did get a bit homesick for a few days in the November. I don't think I really fully settled in until March, but I don't think it was that unusual. There are a few GAA clubs over here, so if you're in anyway sporty, I imagine that would help the transition a bit quicker. There are a lot of Irish people in Dubai, so I imagine it wouldn't take you too long to run into one of us!
I so plan on staying in Dubai for a few more years, although I think I will look for a different school once my contract is up this Summer. Long-term, I'd love to come home, but there's no jobs there, so, for me anyway, I don't see the point in coming home just to end up without a job.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Do you have any worries about being arrested and jailed for "normal" activities while over there?

Or can you legally do whatever you like once you are in your compound


I had a friend who taught in Saudi. Obviously more strict there but she said that the students were awful privileged, lazy and stuck up

Saudi is a very different ballpark compared to Dubai! Dubai is much more "westernised".
I can honestly say that I don't have any worries about being arrested doing "normal" activities over here. In general, the local Emiratis don't pay all that much attention to the "westerners", and I've never had any issues with them. You know as a rule of thumb that if you're out drinking, not to start a fight, or be puking/p*ssing on the streets over here, or you'll definitely be arrested for being publicly drunk. It's just common sense really.
You can go around on the public beaches in a bikini, and nobody says anything. It is a bit unusual seeing someone in a bikini less than 5 feet from a woman in an abaya and hijab, but it's not seen as an issue.
There's a good mix of students. I teach both some of the loveliest students, and some of the most self-entitled and downright rudest students I've ever taught. In a good school, the rude and self-entitled ones will be put back in their boxes by management quick enough!

Mars Bar wrote: »

Are you going to Westlife on Thursday? :pac:

Do you look at the schools in UAE and think about how gloomy and understimulating Irish primary schools were when we were kids? (I'm 30 so talking mid 90's to 00's)/ The amazing facilities on offer to the kids here is ridiculous.

How many hours do you work a day? I think it's a longer work day than in Ireland.


Asalaamu al-aykum fee Abu Dhabi!

No, sadly I am not going to Westlife on Thursday.😭
(Although if you know of anyone selling two tickets, I'm your gal!)
I'm teaching in Secondary, not primary, but my school goes right the way up from Junior Infants to 6th Year of Secondary.
Looking at the facilities that even a "midmarket" school like mine has, it is really depressing to think of the lack of facilities in a lot schools back home. The Dept of Ed back home really do need to make a serious investment in education, but we all know that the likelihood of that happening is sadly less than zero!
My contracted hours are 7am to either 3pm or 4pm, depending on the day, but I often end up bringing a lot of paperwork home. I don't teach a "core curricular" subject, so I see an average of 600 kids per week. There's a lot of marking and planning as a result, which I just don't get the time I need to get it done in my normal work hours.

Wa ‘alaykum al-salaam min eind Dubai!!

Limpy wrote: »

Would the school tell you what topics to cover? Would you have to tell the teenage students that being gay is punishable by death or would most people know that already?

We are a British Curriculum School, so we follow the National Curriculum for England, and the different iGCSE and A Level syllabi for the exam years.
Being gay is 100% illegal in Dubai.
You don't talk about it with the students, it taboo.
You also don't mention things like sex, relationships, drugs, alcohol and religion.
Because of the subject I teach, they're not topics that'd come up with me anyway.
Gay people are working in Dubai, they just don't advertise their sexuality publicly. It's illegal for a man and a woman to live together without being married (people still do anyway), but no-one would bat an eyelid at two men or two women living together in a "flatshare".

Mars Bar wrote: »

A massive part of my job is to go to schools in Abu Dhabi and deliver football coaching sessions as part of the ECA or ECP. Full size astro pitches and swimming pools...it just makes your eyes water.
I am aware that parents are paying good money for it, though.

I always slightly envy the package that teachers get. One return flight a year, accommodation and the sweet teacher promotions on car rentals and some brunches.

Schools with a pool come with a fairly steep pricetag per child per year. I'd say the parents have all paid for it several times over at this stage! Astro pitches seem to be a standard thing, even if you're not in a "premium" school. You can definitely see the difference in the demographics of the schools depending on their pricetag though.
I'll not deny that for the most part, we get a good deal. Haven't found any brunches that do a teacher's discount; you'll have to let me know where they are!

Dave0301 wrote: »

How do you and other Western teachers feel about that? Is it a big elephant in the room, or do people just shrug it off?

Do you teach children from Dubai families or the families of ex-pats as well?

It's a bit of a funny one really... If we're in a group of expats, it might be brought up that "this is so and so's girlfriend/boyfriend", but other than that, it's not really mentioned. To be fair though, I wouldn't go around asking everybody what their sexuality is back home anyway, so it's not that big a deal to me. As my Mammy says - "I don't care who they're sleeping with or praying/not praying to, once they're a decent person". It doesn't seem to bother the gay people that I know out here all that much either. They can still get on with their lives pretty much as normal, they just can't go snogging eachother in public (heterosexual couples aren't allowed snog eachother in public either, fyi).
Again, the locals tend to turn a blind eye to westerners, once they're not being offensive in front of them.

I teach a mix of local and expat kids over here. Because I'm in a "midmarket" school, most of the expat kids that I teach are Middle Eastern/Indian/Pakistani/African/Eastern European.
Most of the Irish/British/American kids go to "premium" schools.

Mr.S wrote: »

Does it get a bit tiring / boring being around a constant stream of transient ex-pats? I'd imagine mixing with locals isn't common and properly integrating isn't a factor you need to consider.

I'm surprised at the salary, but given your rent is paid for it must still work out well. I had assumed Dubai was the land of sky-high salaries. Is a salary at that rate not obtainable in teaching in Ireland?

It doesn't get boring, but sometimes it makes it harder to make friends? I knew nobody when I moved to Dubai, and the group from my school that I moved over with wouldn't be my main friend group now, a year later.
Everybody comes over here knowing that most people will be here for at least 2 years if they're a teacher (standard initial contracts over here are 2 years, and can be renewed after that year on year). Most of the people I'd hang out with now have been here for more than 3 years, and don't have any plans on going home anytime soon.
Mixing with locals wouldn't really happen for adults. It's not uncommon for children in school to mix, but it'd be rare to see it as adults. No, we're not expected to integrate, but we are expected to be respectful of the country and culture we're in, but I don't think that's unreasonable - if someone came to Ireland, I'd expect them to be respectful of my country and culture too.

It works out alright, but it's not allowing me to save as much as I'd like to. If you're working high up in management, or as a principal, you're easily making 5 or 6 times more than the rest of us per month, and have better perks to go with it!
A few years ago, when it was harder to get teacher to move over, the money was better, but now that more teachers want to move over, there's more competition for jobs, so the packages aren't as good as they once were.
For me, it would be very difficult to make that back home. I'd need to be on full time, permanent hours, and they just don't exist anymore sadly. The two tier pay scale back home doesn't help matters much either. If I was at home, I'd be looking at somewhere between 6-11hrs (if I was lucky), or I'd be relying on sub work, so it's be a very very long time (if ever) that I'd be making that at home.

vriesmays wrote: »

Why move to Dubai to earn less than €30k.

I kind of feel like I'm repeating myself now, so this is the last time I'm answering this type of question, if people don't mind.

The jobs just do not exist at home. I know the government have been bleeting on about the supposed shortage of teachers back home, but the majority of those jobs are for irregular sub work, or low hours (8 hrs or less) contracts. I saw an advertisement for a 3hr contract in a school on one of the Irish teaching jobs websites last week - how is anyone supposed to live off that?! It would cost more to go to work than you'd earn!
I would be relying on sub work, or very, very low hours (if I was lucky)! As a result, I wouldn't make that much at home, because the jobs and hours aren't there. At least over here I know that I'm guaranteed full time hours for at least two years.
I wouldn't be able to afford to rent the cupboard under the stairs in a house share back home, and over here the rent my own one bedroom apartment is paid for by my school (not including bills).
I also wanted to travel, and Dubai is a great place to be based to travel this part of the world!

Mr.S wrote: »

Makes sense!

How do you cope with the weather!?

Two words - Air Conditioning.
Seriously though, everywhere here has air-conditioning, so that helps. It's in the low 40's at the moment, but once it starts hitting mid 30's in about a month, I probably won't even notice the weather all that much.
You also have to make sure to stay really hydrated throughout the day.
You'd be surprised at how quickly you learn to acclimatise! When I first moved over here, I was convinced that I'd self combust if I went out into the sun for any length of time, and by Christmas Break, I thought 25° was wooly jumper and jeans weather! 😂

Right, there's a 3hr time difference between Dubai and Ireland, so I'm logging out for the night. Back tomorrow!