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GAA Rules

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  • 17-08-2012 11:12am
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    MarGar
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭


    Hi,

    Could someone please clarify if you are allowed to take a sideline in gaelic football off the groound or does it hace to be taken out of the hands? What does governs this?

    Thanks


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    TopOfTheRight
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭TopOfTheRight


    MarGar wrote: »
    Hi,

    Could someone please clarify if you are allowed to take a sideline in gaelic football off the groound or does it hace to be taken out of the hands? What does governs this?

    Thanks

    No rule against taking it off the ground that i know of, same story as heading the ball - nothing to say its not allowed therefore its grand


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    The Rooster
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    TopOfTheRight wrote: »
    No rule against taking it off the ground that i know of, same story as heading the ball - nothing to say its not allowed therefore its grand

    Not true.

    Rules of Football:

    Rule 2.9

    When a team plays the ball over the sideline, a free kick from the hand(s) shall be awarded to the opposing team from outside the boundary line from the place where the ball crossed the sideline.


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    TopOfTheRight
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭TopOfTheRight


    The Rooster wrote: »
    Not true.

    Rules of Football:

    Rule 2.9

    When a team plays the ball over the sideline, a free kick from the hand(s) shall be awarded to the opposing team from outside the boundary line from the place where the ball crossed the sideline.

    Fair enough, i stand corrected. Is that different to how a the awarding of a regular free kick is defined?


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    The Rooster
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    TopOfTheRight wrote: »
    Fair enough, i stand corrected. Is that different to how a the awarding of a regular free kick is defined?

    Yip, different rules for different awards

    2.3 A penalty kick shall be taken from the ground at a point 11m from the centre of the goalline

    2.5 A free kick, other than a penalty kick, may be taken from the hands or from the ground. A player having indicated his option to the referee shall not be permitted to change his decision. The ball shall be stationary when a free kick is taken from the ground.

    2.7 When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the 13m line and within the large rectangle. The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.

    2.8 When the ball is played over the endline and outside the goalposts by the team defending that end, a free kick off the ground shall be awarded to the opposing team on the 45m line opposite where the ball crossed the endline


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    TopOfTheRight
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭TopOfTheRight


    The Rooster wrote: »
    Yip, different rules for different awards

    2.3 A penalty kick shall be taken from the ground at a point 11m from the centre of the goalline

    2.5 A free kick, other than a penalty kick, may be taken from the hands or from the ground. A player having indicated his option to the referee shall not be permitted to change his decision. The ball shall be stationary when a free kick is taken from the ground.

    2.7 When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the 13m line and within the large rectangle. The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.

    2.8 When the ball is played over the endline and outside the goalposts by the team defending that end, a free kick off the ground shall be awarded to the opposing team on the 45m line opposite where the ball crossed the endline

    Sound, has anyone seen this happen ever?!


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    bruschi
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    TopOfTheRight wrote: »
    Sound, has anyone seen this happen ever?!


    yep. its a handy loophole that not many players know about. If you have a keeper that is any good at soccer, its usefull to let him take it out a bit, draw an opposing player and let it off.

    the above about taking a lineball off the ground is correct too. found out to my detriment one year, I put the ball on the ground, scored a point, and the ref came brought play back and threw the ball in. I was sickened.


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    TopOfTheRight
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭TopOfTheRight


    bruschi wrote: »
    yep. its a handy loophole that not many players know about. If you have a keeper that is any good at soccer, its usefull to let him take it out a bit, draw an opposing player and let it off.

    the above about taking a lineball off the ground is correct too. found out to my detriment one year, I put the ball on the ground, scored a point, and the ref came brought play back and threw the ball in. I was sickened.



    In my experiences these 'handy loopholes' never turn out as such cause the bloody referees dont even know about them/want to apply them!!

    Two i've tried and not got the benefit of are when you fall to the ground with the ball you're meant to be allowed play the ball away on the ground (although not many seem to know what this rule permits) and also if you have a free kick on the 13 and the keeper or a defender is standing in front of the goal line and blocks it, it should be a penalty as they're less than 13 away from the ball and inside the small square!


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    Jarjohn
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    2.7 When the ball is played over the endline by the Team attacking that end, or after a score is made, play is restarted by a kick-out off the ground from the 13m line and within the large rectangle. The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into his hands.



    So could a keeper scoop the ball up off the tee
    with his foot and volley it or let it bounce and then rip it.


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    Antisocialiser
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    Another one which may need clarification.

    Bit of timewasting at the end of a cup game recently and when a sideline was blew against me I threw the ball back 10yards to avoid it being kicked over my head to my marker.

    The ref moved it forward 10 yards; I thought this rule only applied to free-kicks?


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    Deco99
    Registered Users Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Deco99


    Very old thread but if anyone saw the Waterford sideline stunt at weekend. Can same be done in football? Does ball have to travel a distance from sideline? Or do players have to be back 10 yards?


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    Deco99
    Registered Users Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Deco99


    Very old thread but if anyone saw the Waterford sideline stunt at weekend. Can same be done in football? Does ball have to travel a distance from sideline? Or do players have to be back 10 yards?


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    Boom__Boom
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    Deco99 wrote: »
    Very old thread but if anyone saw the Waterford sideline stunt at weekend. Can same be done in football? Does ball have to travel a distance from sideline? Or do players have to be back 10 yards?

    I'm not 100% sure the score should have stood in the Waterford game - for it to be a legitimate score Barron would have to be 20 metres away when the ball was touched initally - while Barron was a bit away I'm not 100% sure he was a full 20 metres when the ball was touched. Even if Barron was 20 metres away, the Galway player marking Bennett surely wasn't 20 metres away when he touched the ball so the ref could have legitimately chalked the score off.
    When a team plays the ball over the sideline, a free puck from the ground shall be awarded to the opposing team at the place where the ball
    crossed the sideline.
    Page 38
    In the case of a Free Puck being taken, all players, except the player taking the free puck, shall not be nearer than 20m before the free puck is struck.
    Page 35

    In football all players have to be back 13 metres before the kick is taken
    I think it would be even more difficult to disguise the first touch in football - maybe simply drop it onto the foot, trap it dead and meander away while the 2nd player comes up (far easier to tap the sliotar on the ground as Bennett did)
    Also I think in football even if you did pull the trick off it would give slightly less of an advantage as you would get in hurling. Also I'd be very wary of a lot of refs not allowing it even if the 2nd player was back the required distance and pulled it off in accordance with the rules.
    When a team plays the ball over the sideline, a free kick from the hand(s) shall be awarded to the opposing team from outside the boundary
    line from the place where the ball crossed the sideline.
    Page 69
    All players except the player taking the free kick shall be at least 13m from where the free kick is awarded
    Page 67

    https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/exnejkiqisbjvu1znpde.pdf


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    Deco99
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    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    I'm not 100% sure the score should have stood in the Waterford game - for it to be a legitimate score Barron would have to be 20 metres away when the ball was touched initally - while Barron was a bit away I'm not 100% sure he was a full 20 metres when the ball was touched. Even if Barron was 20 metres away, the Galway player marking Bennett surely wasn't 20 metres away when he touched the ball so the ref could have legitimately chalked the score off.

    Page 38

    Page 35

    In football all players have to be back 13 metres before the kick is taken
    I think it would be even more difficult to disguise the first touch in football - maybe simply drop it onto the foot, trap it dead and meander away while the 2nd player comes up (far easier to tap the sliotar on the ground as Bennett did)
    Also I think in football even if you did pull the trick off it would give slightly less of an advantage as you would get in hurling. Also I'd be very wary of a lot of refs not allowing it even if the 2nd player was back the required distance and pulled it off in accordance with the rules.

    Page 69

    Page 67

    https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/exnejkiqisbjvu1znpde.pdf

    There's no rule so about the distance the ball has to travel first?


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    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Deco99 wrote: »
    There's no rule so about the distance the ball has to travel first?

    No. It's quite bizarre actually


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    Deco99
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    I think, for football, your best chance off pulling something like this of is maybe a 45. The key would be approaching the ref beforehand and ask him to clarify rule as he sees it. Simply ask, what's the rule for how far you've to be back and how ball has to travel. Then tell him or her "ok, thank you, we might try something so if opportunity happens"


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    Boom__Boom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    Deco99 wrote: »
    I think, for football, your best chance off pulling something like this of is maybe a 45. The key would be approaching the ref beforehand and ask him to clarify rule as he sees it. Simply ask, what's the rule for how far you've to be back and how ball has to travel. Then tell him or her "ok, thank you, we might try something so if opportunity happens"

    Yeah trying it for a 45 in football would probably give you a better return - the only thing is that I think in football the defenders would be that bit more switched on for a quick 45 compared to a line-ball.

    As you say I think you'd need to plamas/manage the ref a bit before hand and I think you are more likely to "get away with it" at club level as opposed to with an intercounty game where there would be a ref assessor in the stands.


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    Rasputin11
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    Can a player only be regraded one grade at a time? Can you go from Senior one year to the club's third team the following season?


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    Clareman
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    Rasputin11 wrote: »
    Can a player only be regraded one grade at a time? Can you go from Senior one year to the club's third team the following season?

    Depends on the county boards ruling and a lot of factors. Usually a double regrade wouldn't happen but if the player has had injuries or has work changed or if the club has 2 teams in 1 grade (eg 2 intermediate teams) then the county board might look favourably but if the third team has been pushing to win something or if there's history with the club of dodgy regrades then there might be a blocker.

    Oh yeah, maybe if the club has a great under 21/minor team coming along an allowance might be made to let a player keep playing rather than being stuck on the sideline, god help the club though if the player plays a grade higher again


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    Boom__Boom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    Rasputin11 wrote: »
    Can a player only be regraded one grade at a time? Can you go from Senior one year to the club's third team the following season?

    I don't think there's anything specific in the GAA rule book relating to players being regraded for clubs.

    I'd imagine this would be something which would depend on county board rules.

    I doubt there are even that many counties where there are clubs with a third team.


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    Clareman
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    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    I don't think there's anything specific in the GAA rule book relating to players being regraded for clubs.

    I'd imagine this would be something which would depend on county board rules.

    I doubt there are even that many counties where there are clubs with a third team.

    In Clare most senior clubs would have 3 teams, the junior bs can sometime take it seriously by having a training session before the championship


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    Deco99
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    If a goalie isn't taking a kick out can he/she come out as an option for the kicker?


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