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Marathon Improvers Thread.

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  • The main question is would you go up to a stranger and tell them their running form is terrible?

    Not sure I would




  • I think what he means is if you are not getting injured then your running form - no matter how off it looks to everyone else - is perfect for you individually.
    Not exactly. More like: just because a particular style is bad for a lot of runners, it doesn't mean it's bad for a specific individual.

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  • 28064212 wrote: »
    Too many non-specific pronouns :-)

    Rephrased: Say there's a study that says "90% of runners who use the 'flip-flop' style of running will have an increased risk of injury" - that means, in general, it's probably a poor running style. However, for a given specific runner (e.g. silverharp's jogger), that individual may well fall in to the 10%, where this 'bad' running style isn't bad for them (or is possibly even beneficial)

    Surely (if the study was real) there’s only a 10% chance that the runner falls into this ‘not bad/possibly beneficial’ category. Or slightly more, given that s/he isn’t injured (yet). :)




  • RayCun wrote: »
    chi-running doesn't involve slapping your feet off the ground

    cheers, its what a runner at work thought the person might have been doing.




  • silverharp wrote: »
    cheers, its what a runner at work thought the person might have been doing.

    The chi running book was going fine until he got to relaxation after running and there's a picture of him in a hot tub in all his clothes, cap and all.
    Lean at the hips just sounded wrong after that


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  • Any other folks here signed up to a marathon in the first half of the year? Hows the training going?

    I've just started training for Cork doing the P&D up to 55 mile plan myself




  • deisedude wrote: »
    Any other folks here signed up to a marathon in the first half of the year? Hows the training going?

    I've just started training for Cork doing the P&D up to 55 mile plan myself

    Connemarathon train going well, not looking for a time just looking to enjoy it. Iv signed up for Longford in august so targeting that time wise




  • deisedude wrote: »
    Any other folks here signed up to a marathon in the first half of the year? Hows the training going?

    I've just started training for Cork doing the P&D up to 55 mile plan myself

    I'm training for Edinburgh, also with the P&D 55 mile plan. on week 4 of plan at the moment.




  • judeboy101 wrote: »
    Connemarathon train going well, not looking for a time just looking to enjoy it. Iv signed up for Longford in august so targeting that time wise

    Have heard Connemara is very scenic. Good few from my club signed up for it. Longford a good one for a time, supposed to be flattish
    mbarr wrote: »
    I'm training for Edinburgh, also with the P&D 55 mile plan. on week 4 of plan at the moment.

    How you finding the plan so far? The midweek 10 milers is definitely a step up for me!




  • deisedude wrote: »

    How you finding the plan so far? The midweek 10 milers is definitely a step up for me!

    Yeah, I've been used in previous cycles to running more frequently and with more shorter runs, so almost every run being 8+ miles right from the start of the plan is new to me.

    In general I've been enjoying it so far, I'm quite fatigued this week but probably a host of factors at work.


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  • silverharp wrote: »
    I heard in the meantime that it might be a deliberate running style that is meant to reduce overall impact, even has a name "chirunning"

    http://www.irishrunner.ie/a-perfect-balance/
    RayCun wrote: »
    chi-running doesn't involve slapping your feet off the ground

    I’ve often noticed runners in vibrams making slappy noises - could the ‘link’ with chi running be based on chi runnings lean towards minimalist shoes?
    Does your mystery runner wear vibrams??




  • deisedude wrote: »
    Any other folks here signed up to a marathon in the first half of the year? Hows the training going?

    I've just started training for Cork doing the P&D up to 55 mile plan myself

    Hamburg end of April.

    Following the Advanced Marathon book up to 88km plan.

    Followed it for Dublin last year. In a lot better nick compared to when I first started following it last summer. ;)




  • It's been quiet around this thread for a while but I'll chance asking this question re pacing.
    I'm targeting a sub 3.30 DCM, which is 5 min/km pace.
    I'm doing my LSR's at 5 min 30 sec's/km and my easy runs at 5 min and 20 sec's /km.
    I'm not doing any speed work in my program but will include plenty of TMP kilometres in some of my runs.
    What would be the consensus re training at those paces?
    Thanks in advance.




  • It's been quiet around this thread for a while but I'll chance asking this question re pacing.
    I'm targeting a sub 3.30 DCM, which is 5 min/km pace.
    I'm doing my LSR's at 5 min 30 sec's/km and my easy runs at 5 min and 20 sec's /km.
    I'm not doing any speed work in my program but will include plenty of TMP kilometres in some of my runs.
    What would be the consensus re training at those paces?
    Thanks in advance.

    I’d be looking at 5:40-6:15 as the easy range, including the LR.




  • It's been quiet around this thread for a while but I'll chance asking this question re pacing.
    I'm targeting a sub 3.30 DCM, which is 5 min/km pace.
    I'm doing my LSR's at 5 min 30 sec's/km and my easy runs at 5 min and 20 sec's /km.
    I'm not doing any speed work in my program but will include plenty of TMP kilometres in some of my runs.
    What would be the consensus re training at those paces?
    Thanks in advance.
    What's your usual weekly mileage and what are your current race times?




  • What's your usual weekly mileage and what are your current race times?

    I've been running approximately 50k/week this year. My last race was a 10k in April which I ran in 42.26.




  • I've been running approximately 50k/week this year. My last race was a 10k in April which I ran in 42.26.

    Certainly puts you well in the frame for a 3:30 if you can get the training right.




  • I’m entering into the third mesocycle of the Pfitzinger plan 18wk / 85mile peak, I’ve never made it this far into an advanced plan before without injury (touches wood). This cycle is speed-focused so I’d like to do it right, and on a track, which I’ve never done before.

    I’m not too far from Santry so Morton Stadium seems like the obvious choice, but I'm worried about how busy it might be, I assume it’s heavily used by the clubs in the area because of the *subject to availability.

    Are there any non-club runner amateurs that frequent it and can give me some advice?




  • conti wrote: »
    I’m entering into the third mesocycle of the Pfitzinger plan 18wk / 85mile peak, I’ve never made it this far into an advanced plan before without injury (touches wood). This cycle is speed-focused so I’d like to do it right, and on a track, which I’ve never done before.

    I’m not too far from Santry so Morton Stadium seems like the obvious choice, but I'm worried about how busy it might be, I assume it’s heavily used by the clubs in the area because of the *subject to availability.

    Are there any non-club runner amateurs that frequent it and can give me some advice?

    I’ve used it during the day a couple of times and it’s been empty. Just give them a ring and ask what are the best times for what you need. Irishtown is another option




  • Hi all. Thought I'd introduce myself before I started posting here......

    Currently training for my second marathon.

    Ran DCM last year (2018) and finished in 3:57, not without huffing and puffing my way through the last 6 miles (cramp mainly). Even though a sub-4 was my ultimate goal on the day, I had notions before the race of a 3:40, which may have been achievable had I managed the race a little better.
    My race times leading up to DCM were decent enough:
    Great Ireland Run - 43:35
    Irish Runner 10 mile - 1:18:03
    Ratoath Half - 1:37:54

    So far this year, I've completed the Boards 6-week base plan twice (either side of the 10k-half marathon plan) during which time I ran the following races:
    Bohermeen Half - 1:36:42
    Dunboyne 5 mile - 34:08
    Docklands 5k - 20:07

    Very happy with how training had gone so far and marathon training (Boards Intermediate plan) begins next week. I plan to do a 10k and 10 mile race between now and DCM.

    It's really only in the last couple of weeks that I've allowed myself to say out loud that my target time is 3:30. I do feel some apprehension about it and I know it will take time to become comfortable with the idea but it's out there now so that feels like the first hurdle has been cleared....

    Looking forward to contributing regularly to the thread and to get a sense of how others are managing their training with the same or similar goals in mind.

    Edit: weekly mileage is between 35-40 miles.


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  • coogy wrote: »
    Hi all. Thought I'd introduce myself before I started posting here......

    Currently training for my second marathon.

    Ran DCM last year (2018) and finished in 3:57, not without huffing and puffing my way through the last 6 miles (cramp mainly). Even though a sub-4 was my ultimate goal on the day, I had notions before the race of a 3:40, which may have been achievable had I managed the race a little better.
    My race times leading up to DCM were decent enough:
    Great Ireland Run - 43:35
    Irish Runner 10 mile - 1:18:03
    Ratoath Half - 1:37:54

    So far this year, I've completed the Boards 6-week base plan twice (either side of the 10k-half marathon plan) during which time I ran the following races:
    Bohermeen Half - 1:36:42
    Dunboyne 5 mile - 34:08
    Docklands 5k - 20:07

    Very happy with how training had gone so far and marathon training (Boards Intermediate plan) begins next week. I plan to do a 10k and 10 mile race between now and DCM.

    It's really only in the last couple of weeks that I've allowed myself to say out loud that my target time is 3:30. I do feel some apprehension about it and I know it will take time to become comfortable with the idea but it's out there now so that feels like the first hurdle has been cleared....

    Looking forward to contributing regularly to the thread and to get a sense of how others are managing their training with the same or similar goals in mind.

    Edit: weekly mileage is between 35-40 miles.






    Great to hear you target 3.30 K, with your times its definitely in reach and the experience of last year will stand to you no end!

    Going to follow your lead coogy
    Followed this thread last year and found it very useful - although never posted as I was aiming sub4 last year.
    DCM 2018 time: 3.38.48

    Have made a little progress this year - but not as much as I think I would like to make me confident about targeting a 3.30 - but I suppose for now its the training goal I am using in my head and I'll reassess after a HM race.
    Current PBs
    10k: 43.58
    5k: 20.52




  • Hedgehoggy wrote: »
    Great to hear you target 3.30 K, with your times its definitely in reach and the experience of last year will stand to you no end!

    Going to follow your lead coogy
    Followed this thread last year and found it very useful - although never posted as I was aiming sub4 last year.
    DCM 2018 time: 3.38.48


    Have made a little progress this year - but not as much as I think I would like to make me confident about targeting a 3.30 - but I suppose for now its the training goal I am using in my head and I'll reassess after a HM race.
    Current PBs
    10k: 43.58
    5k: 20.52

    Thanks G! Your PB's are very similar to mine (your time for last year is what I was actually aiming for on the day) so I'll be following your journey to DCM very closely too. :)

    What I've found really useful lately is reading DCM race reports from others who finished in or around 3:30. Some of them are so well written, you get a real sense of exactly what it takes, both physically and mentally.
    Also, Its definitely a psychological boost when others tell you that your goals are achievable.




  • coogy wrote: »
    Thanks G! Your PB's are very similar to mine (your time for last year is what I was actually aiming for on the day) so I'll be following your journey to DCM very closely too. :)

    What I've found really useful lately is reading DCM race reports from others who finished in or around 3:30. Some of them are so well written, you get a real sense of exactly what it takes, both physically and mentally.
    Also, Its definitely a psychological boost when others tell you that your goals are achievable.

    Thats a great idea! Will have to do some trawling!




  • Thought I would throw my name on here too. Even though I'm part of the novice group for this years boards DCM, I'm aiming for 3.30 too. Although given my unproven endurance, I'd be happy as well if I suffered along & finish under 3.40.

    I'm following the 18 week P&D advanced marathon plan which peaks at 57 miles and I'm about 5 weeks in. Enjoying the miles & the tough MPR runs. Feel a lot stronger since I started it.

    Will have a read through this thread to gain some insight into other peoples experiences. My wife has previously ran 3.20 in DCM and is giving me loads of help with my running but the more advice the better.

    My PBs so far are
    5k: 20.48
    10 mile: 74.31
    Half: 1.39.45
    25k: 2hrs 5mins
    All got in 2019

    Running Charleville half before DCM so hoping that will tell if the 3.30 is realistic or not




  • Treviso wrote: »
    Thought I would throw my name on here too. Even though I'm part of the novice group for this years boards DCM, I'm aiming for 3.30 too. Although given my unproven endurance, I'd be happy as well if I suffered along & finish under 3.40.

    I'm following the 18 week P&D advanced marathon plan which peaks at 57 miles and I'm about 5 weeks in. Enjoying the miles & the tough MPR runs. Feel a lot stronger since I started it.

    Will have a read through this thread to gain some insight into other peoples experiences. My wife has previously ran 3.20 in DCM and is giving me loads of help with my running but the more advice the better.

    My PBs so far are
    5k: 20.48
    10 mile: 74.31
    Half: 1.39.45
    25k: 2hrs 5mins
    All got in 2019

    Running Charleville half before DCM so hoping that will tell if the 3.30 is realistic or not

    You've done loads of races this yr! Fair play! I've only managed to get out to two.

    I've heard loads about the p&d plan. Sounds like a challenging one. Looking forward to hearing more




  • Hedgehoggy wrote: »
    Thats a great idea! Will have to do some trawling!

    Meant to ask, what plan will you be following?




  • coogy wrote: »
    Meant to ask, what plan will you be following?

    Followed the meno plan last Yr and have decided to do it again. I liked the flexibility in it as I can fit it around my wk. But, I and I'm not sure if this is the wisest move I'm trying to adapt it a little so that it's a little harder again mainly by upping the mileage and adding some MP miles into another run (not the LR) during the week. The first two weeks have gone OK and I'm going to switch around a run ltr so I have another 2 hard wks before a step bk. I'll reassess after that stepback whether to keep going with the additional session or not.

    Kinda wish I had done a 10k before setting off on the plan but will def do a half and hopefully a 10m!

    How're you finding the grads plan?




  • Treviso wrote: »
    Thought I would throw my name on here too. Even though I'm part of the novice group for this years boards DCM, I'm aiming for 3.30 too. Although given my unproven endurance, I'd be happy as well if I suffered along & finish under 3.40.

    I'm following the 18 week P&D advanced marathon plan which peaks at 57 miles and I'm about 5 weeks in. Enjoying the miles & the tough MPR runs. Feel a lot stronger since I started it.

    Will have a read through this thread to gain some insight into other peoples experiences. My wife has previously ran 3.20 in DCM and is giving me loads of help with my running but the more advice the better.

    My PBs so far are
    5k: 20.48
    10 mile: 74.31
    Half: 1.39.45
    25k: 2hrs 5mins
    All got in 2019

    Running Charleville half before DCM so hoping that will tell if the 3.30 is realistic or not

    Word of advice on Charleville from personal experience. Dont get cocky like me if you run a good time and change your goal upwards for DCM. Charleville is probably the fastest HM course in the country




  • deisedude wrote: »
    Word of advice on Charleville from personal experience. Dont get cocky like me if you run a good time and change your goal upwards for DCM. Charleville is probably the fastest HM course in the country

    Thanks for the advice, my wife has told me the Charleville course is one of the best HM routes around. So I have been pre warned already! Plus I wouldnt be changing my goal upwards no matter what


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  • coogy wrote: »
    Thanks G! Your PB's are very similar to mine (your time for last year is what I was actually aiming for on the day) so I'll be following your journey to DCM very closely too. :)

    What I've found really useful lately is reading DCM race reports from others who finished in or around 3:30. Some of them are so well written, you get a real sense of exactly what it takes, both physically and mentally.
    Also, Its definitely a psychological boost when others tell you that your goals are achievable.

    I'd love to read some of those reports, but not sure how to find them - any in particular to read for a goal sub 3:30? Thanks


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