Gardaí find pistol & Silencer in Blanch.

Cass · 31-05-2019 5:15pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I wonder if any have been?If so there is a challenge to legislation there on discrimination.

Doubt it.

Legislation prohibits the licensing of them so any license issued after November 2008 would be void/moot as soon as it was issued.

kowloon · 31-05-2019 5:43pm

tac foley wrote: »

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Just messing, training police helicopter crews is not exactly a common experience.

tac foley · 31-05-2019 8:41pm

kowloon wrote: »

Just messing, training police helicopter crews is not exactly a common experience.

True. By the end of 2000 over forty countries had sent their crews to us.

Grizzly 45 · 01-06-2019 8:49pm

Talked to one of the regular lads in the Bullseye360 today.He has swopped his 40 cal for a 9mm Glock17,which he bought off a dealer in Kerry.He said many of the Kerry lads have done this swop with no problems ...Sofar. Took abit of explaining and some fumbling with his cheif up on the West coast someplace:)...But he has it...I'll still hold fire until 3 years time and see if they get granted with no problems.Or will there be utter chaos?:eek:

solarwinds · 01-06-2019 10:12pm

Considering that every 3 years its a new application and not a renewal anymore, is that not technically a new licence every 3 years which goes against the no new CF pistol licences post 2009.
If substitutions are allowed of which I would be hopeful but surprised if that was the case, if I was those lads I would be hanging on to my old pistol just in case the Chief turned around and said no. It could be just yet another under handed tactic to remove them from private ownership.
If substitution was allowed does that mean a person could apply for a CF pistol licence, one was held before 2009 but that particular firearm was destroyed. Could a pre 2009 licence be used as no current one is available.
Have those lads long left on their current licenses

Blueshoe · 01-06-2019 10:16pm

They are just protecting their various revenue streams. We would all do the same.

Grizzly 45 · 02-06-2019 12:04pm

solarwinds wrote: »

Considering that every 3 years its a new application and not a renewal anymore, is that not technically a new licence every 3 years which goes against the no new CF pistol licences post 2009.
If substitutions are allowed of which I would be hopeful but surprised if that was the case, if I was those lads I would be hanging on to my old pistol just in case the Chief turned around and said no. It could be just yet another under handed tactic to remove them from private ownership.
If substitution was allowed does that mean a person could apply for a CF pistol licence, one was held before 2009 but that particular firearm was destroyed. Could a pre 2009 licence be used as no current one is available.
Have those lads long left on their current licenses

Not really as pre 2008 owned pistols are precluded by the act .It could indeed be some trick,hence I said Ill wait and see what happens in the near future with those who are re applying.
As for the rest...No idea...Would be only speculating on my part.

Rifter · 02-06-2019 12:13pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Not really as pre 2008 owned pistols are precluded by the act .It could indeed be some trick,hence I said Ill wait and see what happens in the near future with those who are re applying.
As for the rest...No idea...Would be only speculating on my part.

Just throwing the cat amongst the pigeons, would that act not be open for challenge? Or would you be on a hiding to nothing, surely just setting an arbitrary date and saying everyone before 2008 is of good enough character and post are not!!

Grizzly 45 · 02-06-2019 1:19pm

IT's like many laws here,it falls into a" VRT action".Sure the Govt charging VAT under a different name as VRT is illegal under EU law,but have you the legal team and money to take it to the EU courts,after you have gone thru the whole charade in the Irish courts?And then wit a few years for a result? And if you have that kind of money,are you really arsed on paying a few hundred quid more on an import?
Same with this here.I'd cetainly tip my hat to anyone that does and you have my 1000% support,but if I had that sort of cash,I wouldnt be living here or be going shooting here either.

Rifter · 02-06-2019 2:13pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

IT's like many laws here,it falls into a" VRT action".Sure the Govt charging VAT under a different name as VRT is illegal under EU law,but have you the legal team and money to take it to the EU courts,after you have gone thru the whole charade in the Irish courts?And then wit a few years for a result? And if you have that kind of money,are you really arsed on paying a few hundred quid more on an import?
Same with this here.I'd cetainly tip my hat to anyone that does and you have my 1000% support,but if I had that sort of cash,I wouldnt be living here or be going shooting here either.

To be fair if I had that money id feel the same way, and Id imagine they'd just move the goalposts even if someone was successfull in challenging it.

Cass · 02-06-2019 2:25pm

solarwinds wrote: »

Considering that every 3 years its a new application and not a renewal anymore, is that not technically a new licence every 3 years which goes against the no new CF pistol licences post 2009.

No because the 2009 act says if you held the license for that firearm, and only that one, prior to November 2008 you may re-apply, but after Nov. 2008 no new licenses will be issued.

If substitutions are allowed

They're not or more accurately its going to come back and bite them in the ass, in my opinion.

..............if I was those lads I would be hanging on to my old pistol just in case the Chief turned around and said no.

Yup.

It could be just yet another under handed tactic to remove them from private ownership.

In this instance i don't think so. The AGS/DoJ did not start this, our own organisations did. They are the ones that said it could be done. The fact it plays into the agenda of removing all pistols is just an added bonus for the PTB.

If substitution was allowed does that mean a person could apply for a CF pistol licence, one was held before 2009 but that particular firearm was destroyed.

Is the license for the one destroyed still current and kept renewed each licensing period? If not then i'd say no.

Could a pre 2009 licence be used as no current one is available.

If the license is current and valid, possibly, but like Grizz i'll keep my powder dry to see what happens in a couple of years.

Have those lads long left on their current licenses

That is the question, isn't it.

Cass · 02-06-2019 2:29pm

Rifter wrote: »

Just throwing the cat amongst the pigeons, would that act not be open for challenge?

On what basis? The Act and subsequent (including pre 2008) SIs prevent the substituting of restricted firearms.

Or would you be on a hiding to nothing,

Possibly not with the sub, but with the re-application/renewal when the current license expires, i'd imagine so.

surely just setting an arbitrary date and saying everyone before 2008 is of good enough character and post are not!!

It wasn't actually arbitrary.

It was immediately after the murder of Shane Geoghahan when the Minister made a statement in the Dail declaring his intent which when the new 2009 Act came into being was applied retrospectively to the date of his statement. That being November 2008.

Cass · 02-06-2019 2:33pm

Rifter wrote: »

To be fair if I had that money id feel the same way, and Id imagine they'd just move the goalposts even if someone was successful in challenging it.

Look at New York.

There is currently a Supreme Court challenge to some of the State's gun laws. New York legislators have got wind that the verdict is not going to go their way so they are planning on changing the law, just a little, so that when the verdict comes in regardless of the decision it won't affect the law as it's been changed just enough to not be the one that was challenged.

So as Grizz said even if someone took the time, money and effort, which i'm sure they'd win, the fines imposed by the EU for the charging of VRT is so small in comparison the the revenue it generates that the Irish Gov. will keep applying it.

Yet another reason to get shot of this EU pipe dream. We're being charged taxes, duties illegally as it is so why be in an open and free trade area when we don't benefit.

tac foley · 02-06-2019 2:59pm

Seems to be the same argument used by the BREXITeers.......

Cass · 02-06-2019 3:16pm

For focus 1.5 Diesel St Line. In the Uk its £19,200 (€21,500). Ireland, the exact same car starts at €25,000. You buy pre-registered ones, which include on the road prices for €24,500).

BMW 3 series entry level model (318D SE). UK price is £32,000 (€36,100). In Ireland they start at €43,000.

BMW 330, top of the range model. In the UK it's £39,000 (€44,000) and here it starts at €52,000.

Where does the other €3,000, €7,000, and €8,000 additional cost come from? From what used to be called import duty and is now called VRT. So it costs €8,000 to register a car in Ireland.

Even looking at importing and paying your duty as i did this recently for a fmaily member. It was a nearly new (2017) Insignia VXR. Just by changing the wheels size from 18" to 20" on the revenue calculator and the price shoots up by thousands. So tell me why something costs 2 grand more because the wheels are 2" bigger?

Same with older cars. You'll pay as much if not more than the car is worth in "duty" if the car comes with extras such as CD player, Sat-Nav, larger wheels, etc, etc. I mean a lot more.

Cass · 02-06-2019 3:21pm

By the way cars is just the tip of the Iceberg.

Ireland has it's budget "okay-ed" by Germany/EU. We paid back the bondholders to the tune of billions, bailed out he banks by borrowing huge sums of cash from Europe because they told us to do so, and the leader of FF said that Sovereignty is an outdated notion and backward thinking.

We are in the midst of the worst housing crisis ever but our politicians are fudging the numbers so as not to declare an emergency but at the same time they declare a climate emergency as an excuse to raise taxes and introduce more carbon taxes. Our health system is in shambles, and we are rocked by scandal after scandal from within our Government and police force and the perpetrators of it are not only free to do as they wish, but set up with cushy EU jobs that will add hundreds of thousands of Euro to their already substantial pensions.

Ireland has lost its way. Within 100 years of gaining our independence we have voluntarily surrendered it to a super state of unelected leaders that dictate the rose coloured world politics they want instead of what is happening.

tac foley · 02-06-2019 3:45pm

Welcome to the EU.

Cass · 02-06-2019 4:08pm

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those tin foil hat wearing, EDL supporting, Doc Marten/Bomber jacket wearing, conspiracy nuts that hates anything EU because it's the EU.

We [citizens] don't seem to get the full benefit of being EU members but do get most of the bills.

Grizzly 45 · 02-06-2019 4:18pm

Cass wrote: »

By the way cars is just the tip of the Iceberg.

Ireland has it's budget "okay-ed" by Germany/EU. We paid back the bondholders to the tune of billions, bailed out he banks by borrowing huge sums of cash from Europe because they told us to do so, and the leader of FF said that Sovereignty is an outdated notion and backward thinking.

We are in the midst of the worst housing crisis ever but our politicians are fudging the numbers so as not to declare an emergency but at the same time they declare a climate emergency as an excuse to raise taxes and introduce more carbon taxes. Our health system is in shambles, and we are rocked by scandal after scandal from within our Government and police force and the perpetrators of it are not only free to do as they wish, but set up with cushy EU jobs that will add hundreds of thousands of Euro to their already substantial pensions.

Ireland has lost its way. Within 100 years of gaining our independence we have voluntarily surrendered it to a super state of unelected leaders that dictate the rose coloured world politics they want instead of what is happening.

Yet Mehole Martin and his tribe will bellow on about the proud Republicanism tradition and freedom ,and the men and women of 1916...Blah,blah,blah. If the signatories of the proclimation could be alive again.They'd proably call the whole thing off and say why bother?

James Connolly was damn right on the whole thing,[and there is little I agree with on Commies].From holding onto our guns,to Ireland swopping the tryanny of the Crown for that of the Harp,and then for the star cluster of the EU.:mad:

We have been sold out by a bunch of glorified county councillors,the majority seem to have been school teachers who leave all the "big decisions" to Europe,so they are never held responsible,while trousering checks and anything else they can get thier paws on.:mad:

Grizzly 45 · 02-06-2019 4:23pm

Cass wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those tin foil hat wearing, EDL supporting, Doc Marten/Bomber jacket wearing, conspiracy nuts that hates anything EU because it's the EU.

We [citizens] don't seem to get the full benefit of being EU members but do get most of the bills.

Wearing tinfoil hats only will increase the radio signals.:D:D It's why us old timers used to put tinfoi strips on our old indoor "rabbit ears" B&W portable tellies back when I were a lad in the 70's and 80's.:) You need somthing like lead to stop radio signals...Well at least your hat wont fly off in a high wind.:p

kowloon · 02-06-2019 7:50pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Wearing tinfoil hats only will increase the radio signals.:D:D It's why us old timers used to put tinfoi strips on our old indoor "rabbit ears" B&W portable tellies back when I were a lad in the 70's and 80's.:) You need somthing like lead to stop radio signals...Well at least your hat wont fly off in a high wind.:p

You need a hat that works as a faraday cage for the right wavelengths but let the positive waves in, that's why we Pastafarians wear a colanders on our heads.

Grizzly 45 · 02-06-2019 8:33pm

I thought that was the traditional headwear of the followers of his flying noodleleness?

kowloon · 02-06-2019 8:33pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I thought that was the traditional headwear of the followers of his flying noodleleness?

It is traditional, but also practical. Not so much for rain.

tac foley · 02-06-2019 9:12pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I thought that was the traditional headwear of the followers of his flying noodleleness?

Silence when you mention his name aloud!!!

oldgit1897 · 02-06-2019 10:13pm

Cass wrote: »

By the way cars is just the tip of the Iceberg.

Ireland has it's budget "okay-ed" by Germany/EU. We paid back the bondholders to the tune of billions, bailed out he banks by borrowing huge sums of cash from Europe because they told us to do so, and the leader of FF said that Sovereignty is an outdated notion and backward thinking.

We are in the midst of the worst housing crisis ever but our politicians are fudging the numbers so as not to declare an emergency but at the same time they declare a climate emergency as an excuse to raise taxes and introduce more carbon taxes. Our health system is in shambles, and we are rocked by scandal after scandal from within our Government and police force and the perpetrators of it are not only free to do as they wish, but set up with cushy EU jobs that will add hundreds of thousands of Euro to their already substantial pensions.

Ireland has lost its way. Within 100 years of gaining our independence we have voluntarily surrendered it to a super state of unelected leaders that dictate the rose coloured world politics they want instead of what is happening.

The Irish are either very blinkered or very thick (i'm leaning towards the second option, national stereotype and all that). Ask anyone here, people at work or relations or whatever about the eu, and they will tell you its the best thing since sliced bread. There were three people in my area who were euro-sceptic standing to be elected as mep's. The votes they got were pathetic. Personally i think if the eu doesn't change very quickly for the better, the italians or the french or some of the eastern european countries, who refused to take their quota of refugees, will sink it.

oldgit1897 · 02-06-2019 10:16pm

Cass wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those tin foil hat wearing, EDL supporting, Doc Marten/Bomber jacket wearing, conspiracy nuts that hates anything EU because it's the EU.

We [citizens] don't seem to get the full benefit of being EU members but do get most of the bills.

Look into the whole Bilderberg thing and maybe a tinfoil hat might be wise. How many Irish head to it ? Quite a few, whats discussed ? What deals are done ? Why is it secret ? No one is told, yet i think coveney was there with peter sutherland while being paid by the irish taxpayer, so we have some right to know.

oldgit1897 · 02-06-2019 11:04pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yet Mehole Martin and his tribe will bellow on about the proud Republicanism tradition and freedom ,and the men and women of 1916...Blah,blah,blah. If the signatories of the proclimation could be alive again.They'd proably call the whole thing off and say why bother?

I have to agree, we have simply swapped the union flag for that blue rag with stars on it. Our parliament is a toothless joke, just like the irish parliament was until the act of union, instead of London, its now Brussels that rules us, the parallel is exact as Sherlock Holmes said.

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